Man-is-Obsolete
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Yeah but all of those shaman minions are 2 health and there are so many cards that remove 2 health. And each tap cost 2 mana.
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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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Yeah but all of those shaman minions are 2 health and there are so many cards that remove 2 health. And each tap cost 2 mana.
Karsticles
Member
Nearly every Shaman minion has 3+ health. What do you mean?
Are you talking about the totems here? The totems don't help you a lot in face damage unless you roll the Spell damage one... the Hunter hero power is far superior for face damage, so much so that Aggro Shamans run Sir Finley just to get the Hunter hero power (or the Druid one if Hunter isn't available).
Like if Shaman could just choose to have the Hunter hero power at the start imagine how broken that would be.
The actual Shaman minions are usually 3 or more HP. Tunnel Trogg, Totem Golem, Faceless, Master of Evolution, Fire Elemental, Flametongue Totem, Feral Spirits, Thing of the Deep etc. And then they play some divine shield minions like Argent Squire and Argent Horserider.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Yea sorry meant the totems, and yea I could see that sir Finley strategy being effective.
I enjoy playing mid range shaman too much to jump to aggro. The most aggro thing I run is bloodlust. But that is for a late game finisher.
Karsticles
Member
yup.
In a top deck war against a warrior. I have lethal next turn, until my opponent plays c'thun it deals exact damage to kill all of my minions without hitting my face once. I draw deadly shot to kill c'thun, but then draw dead the next 5 turns after that, and lose.
The RNG never left.
The RNG never left.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Auctioneer is insane, it was tempo rogue so opponent was already out of option after Forbidden Healing myself for 20 but they cycled through like 15 cards in 2 turn and drew themselves to death.
Such bullshit draws against aggro today either I draw all my high curve spells or zero healing, died turn 6 with 6/6/8/8 cards in hand and then died by 1 health from a topdeck just now. Am 1-5 for the night. My draws are so bad I just died to aggro from C'Thun priest...
Such bullshit draws against aggro today either I draw all my high curve spells or zero healing, died turn 6 with 6/6/8/8 cards in hand and then died by 1 health from a topdeck just now. Am 1-5 for the night. My draws are so bad I just died to aggro from C'Thun priest...
Trigger_happy
Member
What?
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Sir Finley was GOAT in the egg Druid deck I was running before standard hit.
I want to see if I can fit him into some kind of mage deck.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Any time I see auctioneer dropped I'm like "welp, better go make a sandwich cause this turn is gonna be 10 minutes long"
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Any time I see auctioneer dropped I'm like "welp, better go make a sandwich cause this turn is gonna be 10 minutes long"
It's insane. Saw a guy play it on turn 7 and still managed to cast like 5-6 spells. Like how?
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I will give it this the coins popping off after every spell is hilarious. Dude is making it rain.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You have to wonder though if the tradeoff is worth it, is it still viable as a build around
Pretty strong chance to get one or the other. I am not good with math but it's better than a coin flip I think.
Karsticles
Member
really? REALLY?
It's out of 8 since you can't get your current one again.
Plus each time you get a hero power, you can't get that same hero power again.
So it's not like you can be offered 3 Armor up options, you will always get 3 unique options.
I actually looked it up and the chance to get either Druid or Hunter hero power is 64%.
There's an 82%+ chance to get a ping ability if your class doesn't already have one.
Really, its very ideal.
Nerfed Knife Juggler means less damage to face, nerfed Arcane Golem so no 4 damage out of no where, no 2 attack Leper Gnome that is less face damage at the start and no more 2 mana Owls to get around taunts.
And the deck still isn't bad. It's just that a better face deck is available for people to use which pushes this deck out of the meta.
Karsticles
Member
Damn, so I'm just horribly unlucky that I got Paladin/Rogue/Priest three times in a row. :-/
For Aggro Shaman? Rogue one is pretty solid, it's 1 extra damage.
Worst options for Aggro Shaman are Priest Heal and Armor up but thankfully you never have to pick them. So really the worst option is the Paladin hero power (when you get the worst possible option of Paladin/Priest/Warrior) and it's still one extra body they have to worry about that can be buffed by Flametongue.
Karsticles
Member
The problem with the Rogue power is that it overlaps with Doomhammer.
RumblingRosco
Member
Well, they have 1 hero power already, so it's a 2 in 8, 2 in 7, and 2 in 6 chance (assuming the first and second choices aren't the ones you want). Also, Warlock hero power is great too.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Finally got a chance to use a Yogg-Saron deck and holy shit was it fun once I finally got him out. Used C'thun today too...zzzzzz.....but it was cool to see him drop and do 20 points of damage. That shit was nuts.
Karsticles
Member
How has the competitive community gone on for so long while not pushing Blizzard to fix Coin so it isn't a spell? It's by far the dumbest thing in this game.
Player going first has a slight advantage, coin being a spell helps out some classes even up the odds a bit.
That's why the competitive community doesn't care much for it. However, because of the combo aspect provided by the coin Rogue is quite a bit better going 2nd vs going first.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
It's just so amazing to see it in action. No regrets whatsoever about crafting it.
Honestly I like it, and have no issues with it. I play Mage though, so yeah.
Granted there's lots of times when it's worked against me, especially when my Counterspell gets fucked.
call_kotaku
Member
Is Shaman legitimately a top tier arena class now? All the new cards are great arena cards except primal fusion, and flamewreathed is a common that's even harder to deal with than in constructed.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I've only played as Shaman once in arena and generally avoided him like the plague. Took him for a spin today since I don't like Priest in arena and I get tired of Paladin.
Went 7-3. Could've just been luck, I dunno.
the best part is when you choose Shaman and don't get a flamewreathed.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Seriously, fuck Priest.
Gets Fire Elemental from Shifting Shade. Gets Tirion from Forbidden Shaping. Gets Sylvanas from Museum Curator.
Just fuck that class. Wish they would just completely rework it.
"Well we can't give Priest good minions, so let's make sure they can steal them and create them out of thin air. That's good design."
Gets Fire Elemental from Shifting Shade. Gets Tirion from Forbidden Shaping. Gets Sylvanas from Museum Curator.
Just fuck that class. Wish they would just completely rework it.
"Well we can't give Priest good minions, so let's make sure they can steal them and create them out of thin air. That's good design."
rip tomb pillager
Karsticles
Member
The Mango Sentinel
Member
No no, let's not make the game more stupid than it already is.
There are still very few classes and decks that actually gain an advantage by going second. The coin being a spell is one of the few things that actually makes going second relatively balanced.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Well despite my Priest rage, C'Thun Shaman seems to be working pretty well. Fits in nicely to a class that's pretty much always lacked big late game minions with powerful effects.
Karsticles
Member
Good to know.
Less stupid is some particular decks getting benefits others don't?
There's nothing balanced about a turn 3 Flamewaker, coin, Arcane Blast/Missiles to clear the board and do significant face damage.
What your list? really on verge crafting Twin Emp here, but I already blew some of dust to Shaman stuff so I must being careful.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Still iterating but this what I've played with so far. I'm thinking about cutting the Flametongues as they don't seem to pull that much weight with Finley in the deck.
That's to some extent the case for the fast lists, though there are ways to creatively mulligan around it. For the Miracle decks, you've got Cutpurse and Tomb Pillager now, which are stronger when you have the initiative of always playing on curve first. Neither of those existed when the deck ran rampant in early Hearthstone.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Don't know how I forgot about that considering I use that bastard often
That's just kind of how the game works....
Some decks get shit that others don't.
And that just sounds like an efficient (and possibly lucky) board clear. Other classes can clear the board on turn 3 as well
Karsticles
Member
Name another way to get a 2/4 on the board and do 7 board damage on turn 3.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Haha I just said clear the board. And there is absolutely NO guarantee that Flamewaker is going to get you those kills on that turn. I've made that play many times and have had it fuck me over later in the game. I usually only make that play if I'm desperate or already significantly ahead...which is also a bit harder since I don't have Mad Scientist available in Standard.