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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
- Thread starter ZealousD
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Correct.
So it is. Thanks for the link.
Baron Geddon BRM adventure is broken, he is supposed to use his hero power to deal 10 damage to you if you have any unspent mana left but he no longer does it. Nice regression testing you got there Blizzard.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4ne206/baron_geddon_brm_hero_power_broken/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4ne206/baron_geddon_brm_hero_power_broken/
Maybe they just made it easier like that mech brawl?
Edit: nvm its truly broke, man its kinda piss me if this gonna made quick patch.. on mobile we download the whole game again
time to get that heroic card back
not really that card back's ugly anyways
also, hey guys, thrall here on turn 4
Had 40 spells quest.
Made a custom mage full of spells and 2 minions, cuz I've no intention to win.
1st match, I forgot to use my quest mage instead of using my tempo mage and I almost win, but I accidentally gave her Sylvana a 10/10 artifact from Rafaam instead of polymorph. Conceded instantly of embarrassment.
2nd match using my custom mage against priest, I destroyed all of his minion every turn. And I actually wanted to concede literally in my next turn, cuz I thought I already had 40 spell. But surprisingly maybe he felt frustrated, so he conceded.
Now to grind the rest of my gold playing brawl.
Made a custom mage full of spells and 2 minions, cuz I've no intention to win.
1st match, I forgot to use my quest mage instead of using my tempo mage and I almost win, but I accidentally gave her Sylvana a 10/10 artifact from Rafaam instead of polymorph. Conceded instantly of embarrassment.
2nd match using my custom mage against priest, I destroyed all of his minion every turn. And I actually wanted to concede literally in my next turn, cuz I thought I already had 40 spell. But surprisingly maybe he felt frustrated, so he conceded.
Now to grind the rest of my gold playing brawl.
KT + Taunt can break the computer in a lot of adventure wings.
Opponent stops attacking and passes on every turn.
further proof that taunt is cheating
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Kinda pointless arguing latedrops when there's 7 to 10 draws to get them.
I've been wondering if Blizzard should just introduce multiple hero powers per hero to the game to up the deck diversity. Like we're now three years down the road and most of the classes still haven't had 3 diverse decks that are competitive during a specific point in the game.
With hunter they've tried to give them substitutes/more utility for their hero power but they failed (steamwheedle sniper, explorer's hat) because they are cards. What if explorer's hat was a proper choice as a hero power for hunter. Steady shot - marksmanship / Hat - survival / something - beast mastery. And that for every class?
With hunter they've tried to give them substitutes/more utility for their hero power but they failed (steamwheedle sniper, explorer's hat) because they are cards. What if explorer's hat was a proper choice as a hero power for hunter. Steady shot - marksmanship / Hat - survival / something - beast mastery. And that for every class?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Can't make money with that and would cost a ton to develop and balance.
Blizzard can't even do quality QA testing on their new cards. You think they're going to do regression testing?
I played 40+ games with c'thun druid this season to rank 4.
I do really well against any kind of shaman with c'thun druid, am surprised, that innervated out spider tank does a LOT of work.
but I can't win against control warrior oddly enough, I run out of gas, those morons always have perfect everything and I lose the brawls in the most brutal way even when not playing more 3 dude at a time. I probably have to play doomcaller or something to beat control warrior and I don't have an answer to their sylvanas, tempo warrior is seemingly falling off, I either see dragons, regular or cthun control warrior.
Rogue is really really bad too, yeah....even tempo mage isn't great. Against zoo with wild pyro tech, it is very reasonable. I saw Kolento doing it a month back in his deck and I picked it up, it's good to be not at the mercy of drawing swipes. You have so many cheap spells, it's always alive.
Hunter is ok, depends on if they run freezing trap or not, it's close.
I run over priests but who doesn't.
Overall I think the deck is pretty ok to play in current meta, against shaman/zoo/hunter majority with some tech choices and reasonable brawl luck it should beat control warrior too. When the set came out I thought the deck was really bad but some tech cards make it much much better, like playing a wild pyro, Sylvanas and Harrison. The first iterations had awful cards like Beckoner of Evil instead.
I do really well against any kind of shaman with c'thun druid, am surprised, that innervated out spider tank does a LOT of work.
but I can't win against control warrior oddly enough, I run out of gas, those morons always have perfect everything and I lose the brawls in the most brutal way even when not playing more 3 dude at a time. I probably have to play doomcaller or something to beat control warrior and I don't have an answer to their sylvanas, tempo warrior is seemingly falling off, I either see dragons, regular or cthun control warrior.
Rogue is really really bad too, yeah....even tempo mage isn't great. Against zoo with wild pyro tech, it is very reasonable. I saw Kolento doing it a month back in his deck and I picked it up, it's good to be not at the mercy of drawing swipes. You have so many cheap spells, it's always alive.
Hunter is ok, depends on if they run freezing trap or not, it's close.
I run over priests but who doesn't.
Overall I think the deck is pretty ok to play in current meta, against shaman/zoo/hunter majority with some tech choices and reasonable brawl luck it should beat control warrior too. When the set came out I thought the deck was really bad but some tech cards make it much much better, like playing a wild pyro, Sylvanas and Harrison. The first iterations had awful cards like Beckoner of Evil instead.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Just had to kill a Warrior with 1/1s took forever.
Paladin is traditionally a very bad match up for Warrior.
A Paladin with Justicar? Game over, man, game over.
I'm tinkering with a Paladin build I'd like to try out in wild. It's basically the traditional, GVG-era midrange Paladin but with N'Zoth as a closer. All the benefits of the Standard N'zoth Paladin but with a much, much stronger early game and better deathrattle minions.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06...f-hearthstone?abthid=575a67a741047d9d39000016
c'mon, not even a single mention of shaman, how come they have issues with leeroy still but doom hammer which is essentially a charge minion with same cost doesn't even get a mention in the whole interview.
I guess next year's nerfs will be leeroy, coldblood and PO. PO maybe should cost 2, its drawback is never a concern just like Arcane Golem's
c'mon, not even a single mention of shaman, how come they have issues with leeroy still but doom hammer which is essentially a charge minion with same cost doesn't even get a mention in the whole interview.
I guess next year's nerfs will be leeroy, coldblood and PO. PO maybe should cost 2, its drawback is never a concern just like Arcane Golem's
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In Wild it's manageable thanks to Nzoth. Still have to craft Justicar for standard but I'm not sure I have room for her in my Wild list.
I'm Running secret paladin with NZoth
Steward is great but only as a combo piece barely ever as an on curve card
A rough draft, I haven't even playtested it yet, all I really have is the idea.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You have to be careful not to clutter the deathrattles for NZoth since Dr. Boom adds 2 more you have a total 10 deathrattles that could push others out. I'm not sure how it is determined the order they come back.
Ideally in Wild you would want 1-2 Sludge Belchers, 1-2 Piloted Shredders, Sylvannas, and then maybe a Haunted Creeper or something.
You defintely do not want Zombie Chow. So if you need to play Chow to make it to the late game (and you probably do), then definitely be extra careful throwing it down later on. Ideally, the Chow and Creepers get pushed out of Nzoth's effect in favor of the better stuff, but knowing the Hearthstone RNG you are very likely to get 2 Chow, 2 Creepers and a Shredder instead of the minons you want.
It could be an argument for throwing down N'Zoth much earlier, instead of waiting utnilt you have played all the best pieces.
You defintely do not want Zombie Chow. So if you need to play Chow to make it to the late game (and you probably do), then definitely be extra careful throwing it down later on. Ideally, the Chow and Creepers get pushed out of Nzoth's effect in favor of the better stuff, but knowing the Hearthstone RNG you are very likely to get 2 Chow, 2 Creepers and a Shredder instead of the minons you want.
It could be an argument for throwing down N'Zoth much earlier, instead of waiting utnilt you have played all the best pieces.
Not that I mind but it would be a double nerf because you could no longer discover it. That's actually what bothers me more...that there's such a high chance to discover it.
I thought N'zoth pulled the most recently deceased cards first, so a turn one Chow isn't that much of a liability. I feel like any midrange or faster deck in wild needs a one drop. I guess I could run that 1/1 with Divine Shield instead, although it doesn't trade evenly with Trog or Mana Wyrm the way Chow does.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Wow I was not expecting a 6/6 Cthun in wild Rank 11 vs mana wyrm mage and it totally rekt me. (Anything would have really)
Nice to know priest will forever be screwed out of any strong early game cause of the hero power and in turn will always suck
Super Nothing
Member
Pretty sure it's full random what N'Zoth rezzes. He might bring back your Chows even if they were the first minions played and you've played more than 6 deathrattles since then.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Priest + Zombie Chow was bad enough already.
Today is weird again. Lost to Pirate Warrior in Wild thanks to a god awful draw while my opponent didn't not have a weapon from turn 1 to the end.
Pretty sure it is random out of all your deathrattles that have died. Similar to Anyfin Can Happen, but it doesn't include the opponent.
Even with chow and velen's chosen they were not setting the ladder on fire and being menace to everyone else.
It seems like theres no point in hoping they fix priest because they don't seem to know or care of what priests need. They are patting themselves on the back int hat interview that they gave priest dragon cards. Great, lets give them cards that depend on a specific tribe to actually be good, so they not only have to build decks out of that tribe whether they like the play style or not or have them be unlucky to not draw the tribe to get the synergy and let those cards be trash in their hands if that happens.
Yet zero issues with giving shamans 1, 2 and 4 drops that can go and bully everyone else.
Well, I might run chow as a one-of regardless of any negative Nzoth synergy as it did really well for me back when I was playing a lot of midrange pally.
Oh I still think you gotta run the Chows. Put in 2 if you need to. Having something to trade with early is super important. You just have to be extra careful if you don't get them early about playing them later. Maybe just treat them as dead cards even when drawn later in the game.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The class is utterly flawed in that it's unfun to play against. Making it good won't change that. Case in point I just got my Lightlord Ragnaros and my Tyrion mind control'd.
Shamans are unfun to play against, how is that an argument?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Shamans currently are and because it's too good and everywhere, most of the unfun stuff Priest has he had since classic and is annoying even when it's not good.
Karsticles
Member
They sure like the word "different".
Super Nothing
Member
It's too easy to run over Priests if they get a bad start (which is common because they have no early game). They used to have Lightbomb to take care of big, threatening boards. Now the best they can do is Excavated Evil, which is a joke compared to Lightbomb, or Auchenai + Circle, a two card combo so it's inherently less reliable. Midrange decks basically have nothing to fear from Priests. It's hard for them to clear a board with 5 health minions and you just have to avoid giving them value steals with Cabal. Entomb costs them a full turn and only removes 1 minion. They need better early game and better comeback mechanics.
But again, it's not argument of why priests need to be perpetually shit because of the hero power. As I pointed out earlier, even with chow+velen's , what people might consider the strongest opening a priest has had, they were still not ruling the ladder, arena and tournaments with an iron fist. If anything those things let them be at least somewhat viable.
Giving priests proper early game would not break them, it would at least make them viable. Right now priests are a joke in pretty much every aspect of the game.