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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
- Thread starter ZealousD
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Ben Brode: "Guys. Emergency meeting. We have a problem. We are missing a mage common for Old Gods but Mike is asking for our final card presentation in an hour. We need a quick idea for a card."
Random guy: "What about another 6 mana 5/5? We make tons of those."
Ben Brode: "Yeah but what does it do?"
Random guy: "Uhhhh.... Summon a random... 3-Drop?"
Ben Brode: "BRILLIANT. That sounds like a card we'd make. Print it!"
Professor Lich
Member
I'm not going to bother with trying to post an image. I'm not paying close enough attention and I can't hear what's actually being said.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Even then a 5/4 for 5 isn't the worst thing in the world, definitely not great though. Don't think you'd play this over Azure or Conjurer but it's way more fun.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Considering it can target your own stuff I'm not sure why you'd play it, especially since the stats aren't great.
Stats may not be great, but if the stars are right..
Professor Lich
Member
Thanks Tactius_.
I don't think people are going to play a 5 Mana 5/4 with a chance to destroy itself or improve your enemy's board.
I don't think people are going to play a 5 Mana 5/4 with a chance to destroy itself or improve your enemy's board.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Because of potential, it's hard to judge these kinds of cards until we get enough of a sample size.
Professor Lich
Member
Looking over this, I think this would of been cooler if it was also a Discover effect. It's still a random target for spells, but at least you get to control what your outcome is.
Trump just added that the bc will be beneficial 2/3rds of the time.
Acerac
Banned
I won't say it's a great card, but I bet people will spam this guy on ladder for the first month or so just for kicks.
It seems advantageous more often than not, and just imagine getting nourish.
No, since you do not cast the spell. Same reason why Yogg won't double his spell casts if brewed/shadowstepped.
This should have been the common. Easiest change in history but who cares about arena, Warrior cards seem like they're designed by a different team at this point. And screw that "the simpler cards are common for the new players" nonsense, not only are they both single rng rolls, but in general there are so many ways for new players to get rekt and confused that the choice between rare and common for two similarly complex cards should be decided by the very real, meta-defining implications on an entire mode over some nebulous design guideline Blizzard barely follows half of the time anyway.
As for constructed, it's garbage.
As for constructed, it's garbage.
Hahaha wow. This card. They really like Casino Mage.
I don't think its competitive for constructed, especially because you apparently don't get Flamewaker procs and such off it. In arena though this is probably pretty good. Trump's breakdown shows that if they have a minion, this is nearly always at least OK for you. And you can pretty frequently count on that in arena. Maybe in constructed too, but without getting those procs it seems like there are better choices. Maybe not hard to say. I don't think a 5/4 for 5 and a mediocre effect is worth it, but maybe Mage won't have better choices.
I don't think its competitive for constructed, especially because you apparently don't get Flamewaker procs and such off it. In arena though this is probably pretty good. Trump's breakdown shows that if they have a minion, this is nearly always at least OK for you. And you can pretty frequently count on that in arena. Maybe in constructed too, but without getting those procs it seems like there are better choices. Maybe not hard to say. I don't think a 5/4 for 5 and a mediocre effect is worth it, but maybe Mage won't have better choices.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I await the trollden video where it casts astral communion.
but since the card is casting it and not the hero you get nothing right? The card can't discard its hand or have mana crystals, or is this just a case of "lol fuck you" from Blizzard's inconsistent wording? Lots of question marks with these "Cast by the card" spells.
Your edit basically answers the question, it's borderline impossible to have cards like this in a physical CCG and even if someone created such a game each turn would take like 15 minutes until all the rolls are resolved. YGO has some outrageous stuff for a CCG but that's more in the vein of novel-long card texts and absurd synergies, they'll never touch HS-like rng until they're out of batshit insane ideas for special summon mechanics.
Blessing of Kings on an enemy minion maybe?
Soulfiring itself seems worse.
Astral Communion.
Fireball your face.
Naturalize itself.
Arcane Explosion against Patron.
Edit: I never said Pyroblast, liars.
Professor Lich
Member
Yeah, getting something for free is usually always good, that I can agree with. I'm sure it'll fun to mess around with for sure.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Can't cast anything over 5 mana.
And if you play this versus Patron you're asking for problems.
Cos Trump was demoing spells it could cast.
Professor Lich
Member
It's just Battlecry: Cast a rand spell (5) or less. (Target Chosen Randomly)
Freezing Trap was there as an example. It's why this was the first card Trump showed before the real card.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It will discard your hand, just like arcane intellect will add 2 cards.
Naturalize gives your opponent cards.
OK, thanks. On mobile and that first pic makes the text impossible to read with it being so small and obscured by the Freezing Trap.
phoenix296
Member
Trump's Servant of Yogg-Saron outcomes.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...y5932JTWEAlRjrY/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...y5932JTWEAlRjrY/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Reynad thinks the card might be playable, and he isn't happy. https://twitter.com/TempoReynad/status/720364011435401216
Savj: "brb throwing up" https://twitter.com/LiquidSavjz/status/720359663007432704
Savj: "brb throwing up" https://twitter.com/LiquidSavjz/status/720359663007432704
FormallyFamicom
Member
As someone that mostly plays Arena, the common Mage card is the first reveal in the set that has made me roll my eyes with disbelief. Master Of Evolution (not a common, I know) is pretty insane but at least it's going to a dead Arena class. Why did Mages need THIS common? Mage pretty much guaranteed to win all of the topdeck wars now with a class level minion that summons another minion. There isn't a single 3 drop in the game that has a drawback worse than "bad stats". No "summoned doomsayer, lost the game" potential.
But maybe they will reveal one later.
But maybe they will reveal one later.
Officerrob
Banned
I don't agree with a lot of this. He has a lot of outcomes as "OK" when they whiff (assassinate on an empty board for example). In that case you just payed 5 mana for a 5/4, that's not OK
Yeah, no way this card is playable. The worst case scenarios are just too devastating. Spend 5 mana, discard this and 1 other card (Soulfire); Spend 5 mana, discard this card and give your opponent 2 draws (Naturalize); Spend 5 mana, discard this card and give your opponent a random minion (Mulch); Spend 5 mana, do nothing (Assassinate, Fireball, Shadowbolt). Every one of those outcomes is borderline game losing.
And the best case scenario is what, a slightly better Fire Elemental or Dark Iron Skulker? Yeah, I just don't see players taking that chance.
Acerac
Banned
The Pokemon CCG lives on coin flips.
It's wonderful because the coins they give out are often weighted.
Kotetsu534
Member
Yep. And Mage of all classes gets it. Sigh.
Acerac
Banned
Best case? You clear your opponent's board, draw 3 cards, or gain 2 still active mana crystals.
It can lose you the game, but a 9/8 for 5 mana certainly can win games.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
This gives me hope that rogue gets a solid 6 drop.
If faceless summoner turns out to be as good as it looks, at least we're getting cards more impactful than TGT so they actually will be played.
If faceless summoner turns out to be as good as it looks, at least we're getting cards more impactful than TGT so they actually will be played.
EDIT: Nevermind. Assasinate specifically says 'enemy minion', so that one wouldn't be very bad. But I do agree with your assessment that playing a 5 mana 5/4 that does nothing isn't great.
Unless, of course, the spells can't target the Servant itself. But considering Yogg-Saron can be targeted by his own spells, I find that unlikely.
Karsticles
Member
Nope. Except for a joke set.
This fake version is infinitely better. What trash. I'm getting closer and closer to not saving up for this expansion.
Officerrob
Banned
Assassinate states "enemy minion", so on an empty board it whiffs and you played a 5/4 for 5 mana. My opinion is that is not an "OK" result, because you would never actually choose to play a 5/4 for 5 mana. The card basically needs a positive result for it to not suck, and I feel Trump was way too generous with a lot of his outcomes.