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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Intersting how popular Miracle Rogue is, depsite the winrate.
Although, to be it's by far not an easiest deck to play, so that probably has something to do with it.
Very creative design right there.
That's a lot of face damage to self but I will take it anyway. More board clears are welcome.
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Sometimes Shadowflame is kinda awkward and all you really need to do is clear a bunch of Fire Elementals and Thing from Below.
This can probably see play in Renolock but right now Warlock has WAY TOO MANY AOEs and not enough heals to sustain all this self damage from the AOEs.
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I wonder if this would end up being a finisher for other decks... I mean... doomguard already does 5 damage, how about this card + hellfire for 8 damage?
it seems to me like good AoE, it should at least hard counter shaman
priest has 3 potions. Mage and warlock 2 each so far. So if there are 9 in total, you have 2 in 9 shot of getting a 5 dmg aoe. It's kinda like a mini ysera that comes earlier.
Other outcomes aren't exactly terrible, 3 of them are kinda bad depending on your deck. I think the card is good, let's see what the other 2 potions are. If there are no more potions then I think it's nuts at 2 in 7.
Control warlock decks are really bad against bursty decks anyway, the face damage isn't too relevant if you're going against mid shaman, they don't have that much damage from hand, it's just lightning bolts and the weapon if they have spell power. It's all about that board.
Other outcomes aren't exactly terrible, 3 of them are kinda bad depending on your deck. I think the card is good, let's see what the other 2 potions are. If there are no more potions then I think it's nuts at 2 in 7.
Control warlock decks are really bad against bursty decks anyway, the face damage isn't too relevant if you're going against mid shaman, they don't have that much damage from hand, it's just lightning bolts and the weapon if they have spell power. It's all about that board.
5 damage to all enemies, summon a 5 mana friendly minion for each damaged minion
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-27/
New data reaper. :thinking: I wonder what's top of the meta? :thinking:
New data reaper. :thinking: I wonder what's top of the meta? :thinking:
Well issue is that the AOE is being concentrated to three classes.
Paladin, Warriors and Hunters basically got no AOE. Of course they aren't going to give the Jade classes AOE either but I could be wrong.
This basically exists to give Renolock another clear option.
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There are too many eater of secrets around, but from what I've seen of it played against me, it's largely ineffective.
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I'm at 9, and still see Paly. That and Mage.
Karsticles
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I just hit rank 5 in Wild last night, and in my experience Mage is very common, even moreso than Secret Paladin.
But I didn't play a single Shaman all month, and Midrange Shaman is definitely a tier 1 deck in Wild. It runs over everything but Secret Paladin, and with double Hexes the matchup is still pretty doable. I'm probably >60% in that matchup.
But I didn't play a single Shaman all month, and Midrange Shaman is definitely a tier 1 deck in Wild. It runs over everything but Secret Paladin, and with double Hexes the matchup is still pretty doable. I'm probably >60% in that matchup.
Karsticles
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Warlock needs more ways to kill itself.
On that note, Tempo Mage vs. Freeze Mage makes me laugh every time. Conjurer's Tome almost always gives me a Counterspell or Ice Block that makes the matchup completely unwinnable for my opponent. Conjurer's Tome and Babbling Book are some of my favorite cards - the random card draw means my opponent has zero ability to play around anything. The only card I hate getting from either is Ice Lance, but I used it once to freeze a Control Warrior and disrupt his Death's Bite combo.
I played Tempo Mage until Rank 7 because it's probably my favorite deck in the game. At Rank 7 I was fighting a lot more Secret Paladins, and IMO the matchup there is kind of iffy unless your draws are great, so I swapped to Midrange Shaman, which is a deck I also love in this game. From Rank 7 to 5 I only lost 2 matches during my climb. One was to a Secret Paladin that curved out perfectly, and the other was a Secret Paladin that just had an amazing aggro hand I couldn't keep up with.
On that note, Tempo Mage vs. Freeze Mage makes me laugh every time. Conjurer's Tome almost always gives me a Counterspell or Ice Block that makes the matchup completely unwinnable for my opponent. Conjurer's Tome and Babbling Book are some of my favorite cards - the random card draw means my opponent has zero ability to play around anything. The only card I hate getting from either is Ice Lance, but I used it once to freeze a Control Warrior and disrupt his Death's Bite combo.
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Yeah eater of secrets is an anti freeze mage card.
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BananasWithGuns
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I'm not sure Felfire Potion will even make it into Renolock.
Hellfire, Abyssal Demon and Twisting Nether feel like enough board clears to me.
Hellfire, Abyssal Demon and Twisting Nether feel like enough board clears to me.
Portugeezer
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It can also be used as a finisher.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think it is not a sure thing that abyssal demon is good enough for constructed.
As I said before, warlock doesn't have the tools to deal with mid range creatures. This kills a lot of those, it's very much needed. You end up using twisting nether instead right now or lose.
3 dmg aoe is good but if you don't have single target removals in your deck, like how warlocks don't, you need something this. We can be sure dragon priest has a counter now.
hell fire, potion and soulfire is 12 burst damage too, you can get lethal with this, that's a big deal.
3 dmg aoe is good but if you don't have single target removals in your deck, like how warlocks don't, you need something this. We can be sure dragon priest has a counter now.
hell fire, potion and soulfire is 12 burst damage too, you can get lethal with this, that's a big deal.
Abyssal Enforcer has a shit-ton of value in it. Dr. Boom levels of value. It will see play in slower Warlock decks for sure.
slightconfuse
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Warlock needs another heal card. More AOE is nice I suppose
Warlock needs heals to be able sustain all this self damage AOE stuff.
Hellfire + Abyssal + Felfire that's 11 HP, 1/3rd of your HP pool. Hunter and Tempo Mage are going to restrict Renolock from ever being good if this is what they have to run in order to compete.
Yup, without Antique HealGOAT these potion cards are too risky to use lol
It's nice to have against tempo mage, hunter, paladin and freeze mage. It's a small tech like ooze.
Mage hunter and paladin is a massive part of the meta.
Bad idea , since you going to nuke her, too.
oops!
Karsticles
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That's why I don't run secrets in my Tempo Mage deck. :-D
It's called Midrange Shaman, but IMO it plays more like a control deck. Sure, you can curve out, but that doesn't happen often and you don't count on it.
That's exactly what Midrange means.
Midrange means that you still play the early and midrange curve cards and against control decks you play aggressively to kill them fast. That means Bloodlust, Rag, Lightning Bolts to face, Spirit Claws to face.. whatever way you can to kill them fast because you don't win against them by out controlling them.
Against faster decks you control them and keep them off the board.
Game has so few control decks that most of the time as Midrange Shaman you are just trying to control the other degenerate decks from getting out of control and then tempo them out with your threats. Trust me when I say that when I play my Renolock against a Midrange Shaman, there's no controlling going on the Shamans' part (outside of Hexing massive taunts) he's trying to play it like an aggro deck... which is what he should be doing because it's a Midrange deck and he can't win against Renolock in the late game.
There is actually a Control Shaman deck and it's not that bad. It uses Elemental Destruction, Healing Wave, Lava Shock, Hallzeal, Earth Elementals even Bog Creepers to get into the late game. It plays significantly differently from Midrange Shaman because it actually wants to go into the late game.
Great for Renolock.
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