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Hearthstone |OT9| Our raid wiped in Icecrown Citadel
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
yep that's trash. Needed charge.
I think it's safe to assume in deck since the card text counts discards this game.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
most of the good discard cards skew aggressive so while Taunt makes it better, charge would potentially make it a 3rd doomguard.
One would think so, but HS is only consistent in being inconsistent.
This card worked only from hand. But then again it was missing the "this game" bit.
Karsticles
Member
No, it's going to be fantastic aside from some missteps like always.
It won't retain between rebirths.
God damn it, I thought they were done with Discard. I hate that they want this to be a thing so much.
Also that art is horrible.
Officerrob
Banned
I wish they would stop trying to push Discardlock
Two discards make her probably fine, but ideally I think you want three or four.
I think the main problem is that she seems to support slow warlocks decks but the discard mechanic works better with fast decks. And you're going to have to discard pretty quickly to get her out on Turn 5.
Discarding is a core thematic concept for Warlocks. It's not going away, just like they aren't going to stop printing taunt minions for Warrior.
I think the main problem is that she seems to support slow warlocks decks but the discard mechanic works better with fast decks. And you're going to have to discard pretty quickly to get her out on Turn 5.
Discarding is a core thematic concept for Warlocks. It's not going away, just like they aren't going to stop printing taunt minions for Warrior.
I like the idea of discardlock but nothing they make for it actually solves the reasons it sucks.
It needs cards that you want to discard and ways to fill your hand (discover).
That card is cool I guess but you're just gonna discard it half the time and the deck will still not be good.
It needs cards that you want to discard and ways to fill your hand (discover).
That card is cool I guess but you're just gonna discard it half the time and the deck will still not be good.
Karsticles
Member
She'll probably get discarded before you can play her!
1 star.
It will suck as long as the discard is random, or until they force it to work.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Discardlock worked in the past, they lost PO after they already weren't good enough against Highlander decks.
Right now aggro is experiencing a ridiculous power creep too that make traditional zoo inferior.
Right now aggro is experiencing a ridiculous power creep too that make traditional zoo inferior.
Karsticles
Member
It just can't compete with Egg Druid.
But stuff like Silverware Golem can't be the norm, or else Discard becomes insanely good. That's a free 3/3 on TOP of a card that's already overtuned for its discard feature. If they go in this direction you're basically going to get Aggro Shaman when it got Tunnel Trogg.
Tunnel Trogg was 100% consistent. With Golem you always have a chance of not discarding it as long as you have other non-Golem cards in hand.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
or any aggro deck really, it even gets ouclassed by aggro murloc paladin nowadays. Losing PO means it lost the reach it got from being able to draw a ton as well.
Yea I understand. I didn't mean exactly those cards but just more cards that do stuff when you discard them instead of if you're lucky enough not to discard them.
Something like "if you discard this card then X". They could balance X. And even if it was a weak effect it would still be better then then the revealed card and clutchmother
Death's Bite 2.0
Karsticles
Member
Oh sure. My point is just that MORE cards like Silverware Golem would create a Tunnel Trogg situation.
Edit: Oh, Warrior card. Some small chance for potential there, but Warrior weapons really need to be about tempo and control. This will only see play if AoE pings are needed. I could see myself using it in Wild vs. Recruit Paladin.
Murloc Paladin is pretty insane. I've lost on turn 4 to that deck several times. The fact that every card buffs everything else means no answers = early death.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I like the deck kinda because of all the synergies, beyond just murlocs, and divine favour for 4 or 5 is disgusting as always.
Zoolock needs a tunnell trogg to compete these days. All the aggro decks have curves as devastating as trogg into golem.
Seems meh? This card is absolutely bonkers. Better than death's bite and that was arguably the most powerful weapon warrior has ever seen.
Edit: Ignore me I thought it was 4 attack for some reason. I need my coffee.
Still this is a really good card. 2 more whirlwind effects, warriors can't get enough of those especially with ghoul rotating out soon like others pointed out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
No way it's better than death's bite.
Karsticles
Member
You're trading 2 damage on the weapon for an extra whirlwind effect. I would generally prefer the extra 2 damage for better board control.
yeah that's what I think too, the question now tho, its gonna fit in current warrior deck or not.
I kinda changing my mind now and think card prolly insane
Pretty much, Deathbite used to eat everything from Drakes to belchers. it was insane.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You can even do stupid stuff like play it attack play a FWA.
While everyone is shitting on the lock legendary, I haven't given up on it just yet. If there is a spell or minion that allows you to control your discards and play a longer game with discard lock, this card can be pretty good. I've played a lot of discard warlock and the deck is close to being viable it just really needs a discard control mechanism.
Karsticles
Member
What if the Warlock Hero Card is for Discard? 
It still is in Wild.
It's weird that Drake + Fishes is common, but not Mosh + Whirlwind.
My concern is that by turn 4 most aggro decks don't have anything to ping anymore. The best aggro decks buff your board.
Perfect curving out with acolyte too. Yeah this card is a 2 of in CW. Now to wait till jades rotate out so CW is playable again.
It's because Drake is a very strong card without fishes and king mosh does nothing without an activator.
It's because Drake is a very strong card without fishes and king mosh does nothing without an activator.
its warrior tho
Karsticles
Member
Yeah?
they usually not struggle against buffed board unless its quest rogue style and if anything this weapon help against buff
Unless Warlock gets an insanely efficient one-drop that scales with discard I don't think we're anywhere near a Trogg situation.
Warrior weapon at 4-mana is the lowest cost they could make for a weapon with those stats and text. Good card, I think it may end up being nuts.
Warlock Legendary risks being discarded like every other card that doesn't gain a benefit from being discarded itself in the forced meme of Discard Warlock.
Warlock Legendary risks being discarded like every other card that doesn't gain a benefit from being discarded itself in the forced meme of Discard Warlock.