LyleLanley
Banned
It's way too early still but I am loving this new set so far. Every hero feels fun to play as.
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You know why actually jade druid feels this good compared with other better decks in the game?
Not a single card in the deck says random. It's as consistent as it gets in a card game.
That's going to be the reason why it's going get nerfed over anything else. Last top deck we had with no RNG whatsoever was patron warrior.
Druid class as a whole have next to no random card garbage. This is what I liked about rogue and warrior but they've ruined those, I guess RNGification of druid is next on their agenda.
Ultimate Infestation = 10 mana add 5 random druid cards to your hand.
Not a single card in the deck says random. It's as consistent as it gets in a card game.
That's going to be the reason why it's going get nerfed over anything else. Last top deck we had with no RNG whatsoever was patron warrior.
Druid class as a whole have next to no random card garbage. This is what I liked about rogue and warrior but they've ruined those, I guess RNGification of druid is next on their agenda.
Ultimate Infestation = 10 mana add 5 random druid cards to your hand.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
or they've been getting powerful cards for a while now and UI just is the most broken of them all?
I just got hit with ultimate infestation on turn fucking 5 and I was ahead on board but then I was behind in both cards and board.
No randomness was one of the reasons why I played Handlock to begin with. The two most random cards in that deck weren't even defining to the deck, it was Ragnaros and Sylvanas which are now HoF.
And Druid being good right now has more to do with UI. It is the Druid version of pre nerf Call of the Wild, it just does too much. We already have Pirate Warrior as a non random deck.
And Druid being good right now has more to do with UI. It is the Druid version of pre nerf Call of the Wild, it just does too much. We already have Pirate Warrior as a non random deck.
cartographer
Member
Do you say less RNG because they are drawing the whole deck? Because Pirate Warrior has low RNG and has been top for a long time now, it just doesn't draw the whole deck.
Good Job Bob
Member
Kibler said Ultimate Infestation was being overrated and wouldn't see that much play. Just didn't impact the board immediately enough for a 10 drop. Be cool to get off Yogg though.
pirate warrior has failure rate embedded in some other ways with patches for one.
But yeah, when you just play for 5 turns, mulligan randomness and going 1st/2nd are huge factors. That basically is a failure system in the deck and that's what Blizzard likes.
Druid like patron just drew their whole deck while managing board and none of their cards said random, they do what they aim to do every game, that's the difference. It is very unlikely that they brick and they actually did beat both aggro and control. UI removes almost any variance and brick chance. You just gotta kill them quickly and killing druid is harder than tank up warrior, holy shit.
When you play it with Kun or like on turn 6, it's a lot of board impact. He didn't see this part.
btw Kibler, Blood Queen is as terrible as it looked like, possibly worse even.
Zealous should make a counter counter video to Kibler's counter video. lol Turns out community was actually right.
Vanillalite
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Druid card draw wouldn't be so bad if jades didn't ramp up as you played without a mana cost change along with the fact that your staple jade card is 1 mana to begin with.
If you were just using it to draw other high cost cards it wouldn't be as bad. Instead you can help board clear, get a 5/5 minion, and draw a bunch of low cost high value idols.
Plus UI as others have said takes out the variance and combo nature that you needed for auctioneer to work.
If you were just using it to draw other high cost cards it wouldn't be as bad. Instead you can help board clear, get a 5/5 minion, and draw a bunch of low cost high value idols.
Plus UI as others have said takes out the variance and combo nature that you needed for auctioneer to work.
I'm just playing Jade Druid to get to the rank floor so I can experiment with new cards without tanking my rank. I guess that makes me "mentally weak trash" LOL
That midrange list Kolento hit #1 legend with is supposed to be better than jade druid because it has the same good match-ups as Jade Druid while being heavily favored against Jade Druid.
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/kolentos-kft-midrange-bonemare-plague-druid/
Seems like everyone under-rated Ultimate Infestation, even the people who said it was an awesome card.
That midrange list Kolento hit #1 legend with is supposed to be better than jade druid because it has the same good match-ups as Jade Druid while being heavily favored against Jade Druid.
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/kolentos-kft-midrange-bonemare-plague-druid/
Seems like everyone under-rated Ultimate Infestation, even the people who said it was an awesome card.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Sperading Plague is good
maybe too good
maybe too good
LyleLanley
Banned
Highlander DK Priest is great. It's an extra 2 damage for every single card you play.
Karsticles
Member
Just lost to the Paladin OTK combo. Feels bad man.
pretty sure pw is like 50-50 at best against jade, if they play plague and malfurion, it's basically so much hp for pw to ever get through. Those come down early with ramp and innervate.
What you want is some deck that can go wide with high hp minions like paladin, something druid can't remove. Shaman should be good too, my opponents have been throwing hard. This guy evolved his cairne into Anomalus which lost him his entire board lol.
Rogue is certainly not good from the games I've played. They get crushed really hard by the 1/5 taunts and UI. Card advantage adds up quickly and when you have mana advantage they just lose. Malfurion's HP is too much for any burn game plan either, you need repetitive minion damage.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Rogue Druid wipes the floor with miracle rogue.
Holy Cadoodle.
edit:Jade Druid. I meant Jade Druid.
Holy Cadoodle.
edit:Jade Druid. I meant Jade Druid.
Professor Lich
Member
Nothing like watching a Goblin Racketeer turn into a Charged Devilsaur with the Battlecry on Deathseer, then watching it get turned into a King Krush with the hero power to take 15 damage in one turn.
And here I thought I was going to win that one.
And here I thought I was going to win that one.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Jade Druid beats Taunt Warrior
Man
jade druid deserves a nerf
Man
jade druid deserves a nerf
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Not a single card? What about lich king. Just gave my opponent hard removal for van cleef.
Jade Druid already did well against Taunt Warrior.
It was bad against PW, now PW is no longer a counter pick to Jade Druid as they have 2 new options against PW.
Maybe people can bust out a new Zoo deck that can deal with Druids but I doubt it. I think you kinda had to go with something that goes big and wide to beat Jade Druid, exploit their lack of board clear.
This just goes back to Innervate being busted. Still the highest win rate and most played Druid card ... now and forever.
It was bad against PW, now PW is no longer a counter pick to Jade Druid as they have 2 new options against PW.
Maybe people can bust out a new Zoo deck that can deal with Druids but I doubt it. I think you kinda had to go with something that goes big and wide to beat Jade Druid, exploit their lack of board clear.
This just goes back to Innervate being busted. Still the highest win rate and most played Druid card ... now and forever.
Yeah I think we are getting to the point of concern. We need a meta breaker soon. Druid is not OK right now and I'd even have a hard time pointing out a specific card to blame anymore they just have too many tools to dominate most decks that don't kill you on turn 4 a.k.a Druid Turn 8.
the good lists don't play Lich King. It doesn't do much for the deck and works against UI.
Even then that card has only 8 outcomes, it's no primordial glyph.
You don't want to mill your cards, you don't want a card from their deck. You want to do what your deck is designed to do.
I strongly disagree. I think it was at least as good as some adventure missions, particularly the writing. I thought the writing was hilarious.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Yeah, cause RNG cards never make their way into competitive decks.
druid is probably the best class to beat jade druid. Fight fire with fire. Big druid or token should beat it. I haven't seen many of either oddly enough.
I didn't say that. Lich King is just not played in the best list right now. Zalae's is the most popular and best performing one. It's the first days and everyone is putting Lich King in any deck. It's not that good.
Karsticles
Member
I still think Lich King generally sucks outside of Frostmourne.
He should have frozen the entire board and both heroes.
He should have frozen the entire board and both heroes.
I still think Lich King generally sucks outside of Frostmourne.
He should have frozen the entire board and both heroes.
With that animation it was only logical, I wonder if he did but they found it too powerful and thus removed that ability
LyleLanley
Banned
Just got the Paladin OTK off, now I never need to do that again.
Just the idea of freeze mage getting another freeze effect before they get their second Ice Block sounds miserable.
I still think Lich King generally sucks outside of Frostmourne.
He should have frozen the entire board and both heroes.
Just the idea of freeze mage getting another freeze effect before they get their second Ice Block sounds miserable.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Thank you! Innervate is such an oversight, deliberate or not, I can't believe it's been untouched since release and not even people ITT largely want anything done to it.
Taunt Warrior should win if they Geist in time now but they are never gonna run more than one of them.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Innervate might be a core problem for druid? Hm. 2 free mana is pretty huge.
......a nerf I could see with it, is change the cost to 1 mana, and have it give you 2 free mana on the next turn.
......a nerf I could see with it, is change the cost to 1 mana, and have it give you 2 free mana on the next turn.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I agree. Half the time I get cards and they're unusable in my situation. Then he gets blown up next turn and I don't get another card
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
You basically just said RNG cards don't fit in decks because they don't always line up well... but they're often included despite of that.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Infestation killed any drawback from ramping now they are on 10 mana infestation deal 5 dmg to a minion get 5/5 draw 5 cards and your on 5 mana with more then likely less cards in hand, people got sick of Auctioneer and Blizzard made one on steroids.
No. He's just no stronger than ysera. Which still means we all overrated him by a whole lot.
I'm happier with ysera cards more often than lich king cards.
Ew.
Spreading plague is too good. Only good counter I've run up against is Devolve.
The deck no longer has to chain off auctioneer in the late game. It just casts Infestation and reloads while advancing its board position.
They completely missed that the card was insane somehow.
Karsticles
Member
It kicks ass in Wild, but I think Standard is too limited to maintain the ramp.
If a Reno Priest plays the Geist against your Jade Druid, you might as well concede.
I guess we overrated him cuz he's the main character, the lich king. While forgetting 12.5 chance of getting the useful death knight card is not good.
If only some the cards are minions like Ysera. Instead of 5,6 mana spells that rarely useful.
Karsticles
Member
Rank 5 in record time! :-D
Shoutouts to my super generous final opponent.
Even without N'Zoth, I would rather have the guaranteed 5/3 weapon over the rando card TLK gives you.
Shoutouts to my super generous final opponent.
Even without N'Zoth, I would rather have the guaranteed 5/3 weapon over the rando card TLK gives you.
So... I should craft Open the Waygate until the Druid mess is over, I suppose. I'm kinda disappointed that my first craft of Lich King is gonna be an Un'goro card, but on the other hand, I really do enjoy decks like Exodia mage. I'll still have enough for 3 other legendaries after that, so maybe it's worth it.
You're as confused as ever. Yes, best favored decks by pros have zero rng, freeze mage, combo druid, patron and so on. Just because they have to play something doesn't mean they like it.