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[ZealousD]

Huh, what addon is he using that ranks the cards?

HearthArena app on Overwolf.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

HearthArena app on Overwolf.

neat, thanks. Any gaf opinions on it?

 

[Ketch]

Anyone have a good list for raza dk priest?

I haven't won a game since hitting rank 15

 

[Blizzard]

Anyone have a good list for raza dk priest?

I haven't won a game since hitting rank 15

From the previous page:

I'm more concerned that they will nerf druid and leave that Raza combo in. That thing is absurdly broken. You draw Raza + Anduin top 15, you beat anything, including Jade druid. After druid is nerfed that thing will rule the game. It's already second best class you can play.

Basically after it's down, you can never ever get a board and you either just die directly or run out of things to play. It's completely stupid. 0 cost things are broken, who would have thought.

So it would seem you just need to draw both in the top 15.

If you want, post your list so we can suggest changes.

 

[Ketch]

From the previous page:

So it would seem you just need to draw both in the top 15.

If you want, post your list so we can suggest changes.

### Highlander
# Class: Priest
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 1x (1) Mind Vision
# 1x (1) Northshire Cleric
# 1x (1) Potion of Madness
# 1x (1) Power Word: Shield
# 1x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 1x (2) Golakka Crawler
# 1x (2) Radiant Elemental
# 1x (2) Shadow Visions
# 1x (2) Shadow Word: Pain
# 1x (2) Spirit Lash
# 1x (3) Curious Glimmerroot
# 1x (3) Kabal Talonpriest
# 1x (3) Shadow Word: Death
# 1x (3) Stonehill Defender
# 1x (4) Eternal Servitude
# 1x (4) Greater Healing Potion
# 1x (4) Kazakus
# 1x (4) Tortollan Shellraiser
# 1x (5) Devour Mind
# 1x (5) Holy Nova
# 1x (5) Lyra the Sunshard
# 1x (5) Raza the Chained
# 1x (6) Cabal Shadow Priest
# 1x (6) Dragonfire Potion
# 1x (7) Archbishop Benedictus
# 1x (8) Free From Amber
# 1x (8) Medivh, the Guardian
# 1x (8) Shadowreaper Anduin
# 1x (9) Obsidian Statue
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone



Feel like I have no early game. If I don't get a good draw I just lose.

 

[manhack]

Are you saying more deck variety is a bad thing? lol

I get complaining about a deck being overpowered, but a class having deck variety is always a good thing. Why would you want fewer gameplay options?

Not sure if serious.gif

 

[Karsticles]

According to vs druid is above 50% at rank 1. No amount of deck variations, or lack thereof, puts a positive spin on this.

Like more than 50% of the decks being played are Druid? That's crazy. How high did Pirate Warrior get?

Not sure if serious.gif

Uh, totally serious. Am I misunderstanding you?

 

[manhack]

Like more than 50% of the decks being played are Druid? That's crazy. How high did Pirate Warrior get?


Uh, totally serious. Am I misunderstanding you?

I was just venting

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I wonder if Valeera is supposed to be a replacement for Auctioneer.
I find that they keep getting stuck in my hand once I get Valeera going.

 

[IceMarker]

I wonder if Valeera is supposed to be a replacement for Auctioneer.
I find that they keep getting stuck in my hand once I get Valeera going.

New Rogue Spell 5 mana "Combo: Draw a card for each card played this turn."

 

[Dahbomb]

New Rogue Spell 5 mana "Combo: Draw a card for each card played this turn."

This is actually a cool design for a card. Probably too powerful but I would be fine if Rogue had this card.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I want them to add top deck manipulation and do it for rogue only at first.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Like more than 50% of the decks being played are Druid? That's crazy. How high did Pirate Warrior get?


Uh, totally serious. Am I misunderstanding you?

Yes, it was like 54% druid in rank 1 last I looked. I looked again and it dropped to 42%, still insane.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I want them to add top deck manipulation and do it for rogue only at first.

Draw a card, the next card you play costs 0 and is placed on the top of your deck.

Discover a card from your deck and place it on the top of your deck.

I just don't see why this would be good in such a tempo oriented game. In light of spells like UI, which have significantly upped the power of tempo cards, something like this might just never be competitive. And it's not just UI, it's megasaur, it's bonemare, it's spike ridged steed.

 

[KLoWn]

Is there anywhere I can find a list for some cool decks for Wild?

 

[Karsticles]

I hate Priests so fucking much. Why did they get the most overpowered DK card in the game? Why do Priests get an easymode OTK combo as part of their control deck now?

I want them to add top deck manipulation and do it for rogue only at first.

Draw a card, the next card you play costs 0 and is placed on the top of your deck.

Discover a card from your deck and place it on the top of your deck.

I just don't see why this would be good in such a tempo oriented game. In light of spells like UI, which have significantly upped the power of tempo cards, something like this might just never be competitive. And it's not just UI, it's megasaur, it's bonemare, it's spike ridged steed.

Better Priest mechanic IMO.

 

[scarlet]

Firebat was talking about this on Omnistone. He was feeling pretty confident against Czech Republic but not so much against Ukraine.

So I picked Ukraine as well.

Y'all are fuuuuuuucked.

RIP Ukraine

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Draw a card, the next card you play costs 0 and is placed on the top of your deck.

Discover a card from your deck and place it on the top of your deck.

I just don't see why this would be good in such a tempo oriented game. In light of spells like UI, which have significantly upped the power of tempo cards, something like this might just never be competitive. And it's not just UI, it's megasaur, it's bonemare, it's spike ridged steed.

The effect isn't worth a ton of mana and it doesn't undo card disadvantage. As such the card it's on has to make up for the loss, easiest way to do so is tack on "draw a card".

Better Priest mechanic IMO.

No it's the absolutely strongest in Rogue as Rogue is the closest to a storm class and powerful cantrips are busted in storm more than anything.

2 Mana Razorpetal Shot

Combo: Deal 1 Damage for every spell played this turn

Spoiler

that's a joke

Also you don't want the class with conditional removal to get more consistency

 

[The Wizard]

Double Ultimate Infestation on my face at 7-2 in arena, would have had lethal from hand without the 5 armour from the first one. Pretty gross.

 

[Vanillalite]

Talk about shitty luck

 

[fertygo]

Is dog really climb to top 50 with that dead man arcane giant deck lol

 

[Pooya]

no, he didn't play that to climb. He climbed off stream.

edit: lmao he got 120 armor against exodia mage.

edit2: he won lolol.

 

[Dahbomb]

no, he didn't play that to climb. He climbed off stream.

edit: lmao he got 120 armor against exodia mage.

edit2: he won lolol.

EXODIA DENIED!!!!!

I generally do well with this Dead Man deck but I always get paired up against Quest Mage and then get Exodia'd. Feels bad man.

 

[Hycran]

Holy fuck warlock is still so bad. Even if jade Druid is nerfed I'm still not sure zoo or BRG are anything above tier 3 decks. Once the deck actually gets some good demons it will be fine, but as it stands the deck is garbage.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Here is my new deck in action https://hsreplay.net/replay/uG4259y9rRSbs3vX6qETXW

decklist:
### Miracle Spellpower
# Class: Rogue
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 2x (0) Backstab
# 2x (0) Counterfeit Coin
# 2x (0) Preparation
# 1x (1) Patches the Pirate
# 2x (1) Swashburglar
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 2x (2) Eviscerate
# 2x (2) Razorpetal Lasher
# 1x (2) Razorpetal Volley
# 1x (2) Sap
# 1x (3) Edwin VanCleef
# 2x (3) Fan of Knives
# 2x (4) Evolved Kobold
# 1x (4) Sherazin, Corpse Flower
# 2x (5) Vilespine Slayer
# 2x (6) Gadgetzan Auctioneer
# 1x (6) Vanish
# 1x (9) Valeera the Hollow
# 2x (12) Arcane Giant
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

 

[TankUP]

Text to speech donation on Dog's chat just spoiled tonight's episode of GoT before it even aired. Glad I watched the leaked version!

 

[scarlet]

### Highlander
# Class: Priest
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 1x (1) Mind Vision
# 1x (1) Northshire Cleric
# 1x (1) Potion of Madness
# 1x (1) Power Word: Shield
# 1x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 1x (2) Golakka Crawler
# 1x (2) Radiant Elemental
# 1x (2) Shadow Visions
# 1x (2) Shadow Word: Pain
# 1x (2) Spirit Lash
# 1x (3) Curious Glimmerroot
# 1x (3) Kabal Talonpriest
# 1x (3) Shadow Word: Death
# 1x (3) Stonehill Defender
# 1x (4) Eternal Servitude
# 1x (4) Greater Healing Potion
# 1x (4) Kazakus
# 1x (4) Tortollan Shellraiser
# 1x (5) Devour Mind
# 1x (5) Holy Nova
# 1x (5) Lyra the Sunshard
# 1x (5) Raza the Chained
# 1x (6) Cabal Shadow Priest
# 1x (6) Dragonfire Potion
# 1x (7) Archbishop Benedictus
# 1x (8) Free From Amber
# 1x (8) Medivh, the Guardian
# 1x (8) Shadowreaper Anduin
# 1x (9) Obsidian Statue
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone



Feel like I have no early game. If I don't get a good draw I just lose.

Replace mind vision, stonehill, kabal talon priest, devour mind, FFA, Medivh, Benedictus.

Replace them with oracle, holy smite for removal, silence/songstealer, tar creeper, elise and priest of the feast or Velen if you want to play combo.

 

[patchday]

so looks like rogues in a weird spot. Looking at all the meta decks its just ungoro miracle with Valeera tossed in. I didnt get Valeera in my packs. I would craft but uhhh I only have enough dust for 2 legends tops. So for now will run Druid & Evolve Shaman since I have all the cards for those decks

After I am sure the meta is settled I'll craft. Unlike back in in ungoro I dont enough dust to blow on experimental stuff

 

[BreezyLimbo]

no, he didn't play that to climb. He climbed off stream.

edit: lmao he got 120 armor against exodia mage.

edit2: he won lolol.

I heard Trump mention this

Why does having 100+ armor beat exodia mage?

Oh.the time limit. Right. Right?

 

[wiibomb]

Text to speech donation on Dog's chat just spoiled tonight's episode of GoT before it even aired. Glad I watched the leaked version!

For fuck's sake... I truly hate those text to speech programs. Why the fuck they run them?

I'm so glad I wasn't there when it happened. This is star wars FA all over again.

 

[TankUP]

http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...-druid-ultimate-infestation-spreading-plague/

Iksar discusses Druid, doesn't announce druid is being deleted from the game so get your pitchforks ready.

 

[slightconfuse]

quest mage is not fun to play against

freezes and ice block are not fun

 

[Karsticles]

http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...-druid-ultimate-infestation-spreading-plague/

Iksar discusses Druid, doesn't announce druid is being deleted from the game so get your pitchforks ready.

My favorite quote:

Power level aside, having such a powerful card draw effect in Druid is something we are wary of in Druid because we wouldn’t consider it part of their identity as a class.

So powerful draw isn't part of Druid identity...but then you make a powerful draw card...?

And since when is good draw not part of Druid?

 

[Volta Mars]

Not doing to well with Jade Druid, I think I may suck at this game lol. My rank hovers around 17 -- I'll get a handful of consecutive wins, followed by a lot of losses, usually against Mages and Priests. The last time I climbed through rank was with f2p Hunter deck and it was much more consistent and enjoyable, made it to 14 before I stopped. I'm only missing 2 legendaries (Fendel and DK druid) and maybe 2 epics. Still.

Either way, having fun for the most part. Except against Exodia Mage and (anything) Priest.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

quest mage is not fun to play against

freezes and ice block are not fun

yeah

some think jade druid is not fun, exodia mage is just boring because it removes interaction from the game.

 

[Papercuts]

Exodia mage is incredibly obnoxious to play against and I would still rather queue into twenty of them in a row over a single current priest list.

 

[thepotatoman]

I should probably be putting bonemare into more of my decks.

It's such a good card, but so easy to forget about just because of how boring it is.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...-druid-ultimate-infestation-spreading-plague/

Iksar discusses Druid, doesn't announce druid is being deleted from the game so get your pitchforks ready.

So we're a week away from nerf then.

 

[Fewr]

At the end of the Un’Goro cycle, Hunter was actually the highest win rate class among all Hearthstone players. In fact, Hunter held the highest win rate for the a large portion of the expansion.

News to me. Throughout the un'goro era I was under the impression that the heroes at the bottom were warlock and hunter.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I'm glad people are focusing on Druid.

Takes the attention off of Stonehill Defender

 

[Dahbomb]

Hunter does well across most ranks, it's an easy class to get easy wins with. Probably still very popular at lower ranks.

 

[cartographer]

Changing a card like Ultimate Infestation we think would have a bigger impact on player sentiment than actual play rate or win rate statistics. It's a big, flashy, cool design but it hasn't appeared to be statistically responsible for Druid power or popularity.

Wonder if that's taking into account the knockdown effect on Nourish, Earthen Scales, Feral Rage etc. I only have anecdotes, but that's what really takes UI over the top, IMO.

When we changed Keeper of the Grove and Ancient of Lore, the goal was for Druids to have more interesting decisions to make when deckbuilding rather than a large group of cards to be automatically included. Even though those cards changed, there are still some other offenders of this such as Innervate or Swipe...and Wild Growth to a lesser degree. Having some powerful cards that help define what makes a class different can be good, but those cards in particular have spawned a number of internal conversations where we have been weighing the upside and downside to having each as a part of Druid for Hearthstone eternity.

Anybody else think it's kind of runny that Swipe is being mentioned in the breath as these cards?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Wonder if that's taking into account the knockdown effect on Nourish, Earthen Scales, Feral Rage etc. I only have anecdotes, but that's what really takes UI over the top, IMO.

Anybody else think it's kind of runny that Swipe is being mentioned in the breath as these cards?

He's not wrong.

Swipe is alot like Polymorph or Blessing of Kings, in that it's usually an auto-include card in these decks. So he brings up wild growth, Swipe, and innervate, some auto include cards for druids.

 

[cartographer]

He's not wrong.

Swipe is alot like Polymorph or Blessing of Kings, in that it's usually an auto-include card in these decks. So he brings up wild growth, Swipe, and innervate, some auto include cards for druids.

It's the power part after. There's a very big difference in why Innervate / Wild Growth are always includes and why Swipe is. Innvervate and Wild Growth are powerful. Swipe is often the only anti-AoE or early game ST removal druids have access to and is included because there's zero competition. And it's not even a very good anti-aggro tool, all things considered.

 

[patchday]

Looking at the meta decks I can run so many different decks w/o using my dust. Guess I had a much better haul then I thought from my initial pack openings.

And sweet joy I saw there's a Malygos Druid deck circulating. Will give that a go too.

Still won't have much time to play though since I'm still playing my other games. But will still at least complete these dailies every so often (but will be skipping Tavern Brawls)

 

[BreezyLimbo]

It's the power part after. There's a very big difference in why Innervate / Wild Growth are always includes and why Swipe is. Innvervate and Wild Growth are powerful. Swipe is often the only anti-AoE or early game ST removal druids have access to and is included because there's zero competition. And it's not even a very good anti-aggro tool, all things considered.

Right. But we're talking relative auto-includes within each class, not compared to the bigger picture of all classes. For Druids, Swipe is auto include even over something like Starfall because of it's cost, it's main damage spike(4), and it's secondary damage boosted with spell power can be quite deadly.

So yeah, it's only powerful BECAUSE there is 0 competition within the druid class. And that's how they have to look at the cards, the vacuum of that classes components put together.

 

[cartographer]

Right. But we're talking relative auto-includes within each class, not compared to the bigger picture of all classes. For Druids, Swipe is auto include even over something like Starfall because of it's cost, it's main damage spike(4), and it's secondary damage boosted with spell power can be quite deadly.

So yeah, it's only powerful BECAUSE there is 0 competition within the druid class. And that's how they have to look at the cards, the vacuum of that classes components put together.

For some cards. Innvervate and WIld Growth would be good in every class. War Axe would be godly in every class (3/2 weapons at 3 mana are run all the time without taking advantage of any extra synergy). Ice Block would be godly in every class. Pre-nerf Ancient of Lore. On and on.

Just funny to see it mentioned and them immediately talk about powerful cards that make a class different because Swipe is an underwhelming card that makes a class different. People want to cut Swipe if they could get away with it. People really don't want the cut the other examples.

 

[Karsticles]

He's not wrong.

Swipe is alot like Polymorph or Blessing of Kings, in that it's usually an auto-include card in these decks. So he brings up wild growth, Swipe, and innervate, some auto include cards for druids.

Except none of those cards are auto-include aside from Innervate. Aggro Druid, the #1 Druid deck for the entirety of the last expansion, didn't use Swipe or Wild Growth.

Innervate is the problem.

 

[scarlet]

I thought people were joking when they said malygos druid, but I just faced one and won with priest.

I didn't prepare for that.

 

[Miletius]

My favorite quote:


So powerful draw isn't part of Druid identity...but then you make a powerful draw card...?

And since when is good draw not part of Druid?

Yea, that doesn't make sense to me. Druid is probably the class I'd most associate with powerful, natural draw. Other classes (like warrior) have it situationally, but Druid has always had good draw -- from Lore (which is mentioned) to Nourish, to end game wild growth as a cantrip.