Idk why some of you are so down on rogue in this thread. It's a very good meta for a rogue player atm. My legend climb stats from rank 5 to legend was over 70% winrate this season. Highest it has ever been for a miracle rogue climb for me. It's decently positioned against the 2 most common decks I faced on the climb, which was midrange murloc pally and jade druid. My stats against aggro token druid were actually above 57% this time as well. Valanar is crazy good against aggro. I think it's as strong as a 5% winrate swing when I play it against aggro decks which is nuts. I also think 2 sap 1 vilespine is extremely strong right now. The way to beat jade druid and paladin is insane tempo swings. Nothing swings tempo like a sap on a spikeridged card or on a big jade minion.
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
sounds like he found the right line. You didn't have answers for many turns playing around you drawing them only gives you more time to do so.
I didn't have much drive this month to climb to legend but I did climb from rank 8 to rank 5 today with Demonlock.
Faced so many druids on my climb, mostly jade and one taunt druid.
I love being able to drop a giant on turn 4 and then back it up with Faceless Shambler the next turn. It makes the druid go from being in control to panic mode very quickly with double swipes and UI being thrown at them. It also makes them spend their mana on removal rather than ramping or dropping jades too.
Soon as I throw down the Abyssal Enforcers and resurrect them with the Warlock DK it's too late for them usually.
I might see if I can make the deck reach legend but I'm definitely having a lot of fun with the deck.
Faced so many druids on my climb, mostly jade and one taunt druid.
I love being able to drop a giant on turn 4 and then back it up with Faceless Shambler the next turn. It makes the druid go from being in control to panic mode very quickly with double swipes and UI being thrown at them. It also makes them spend their mana on removal rather than ramping or dropping jades too.
Soon as I throw down the Abyssal Enforcers and resurrect them with the Warlock DK it's too late for them usually.
I might see if I can make the deck reach legend but I'm definitely having a lot of fun with the deck.
People shit on Priest but Mage is the class I always forget I hate playing against the most. Constant freezes from their deck and out of their ass. Ice Block rendering your whole turn unusable. The only fun thing about Ice Block is that it requires you to attack with your minions in a specific order for the best outcome. They should change the card to let you survive with 1HP if you take fatal damage or HoF that shit asap.
I've always wanted to give Miracle Rogue a spin, but I'm missing some epics (Vilespine, Shadow caster, and Preparation) and I would have to craft Edwin and Valera. I actually have a golden Sharazin and Valanar too.
Deck looks like so much fun.
Do you have a decklist?
All depends on the deck you take in though.
I personally don't like playing with druid, the lack of hard removal has always been something I've never liked about the class. I do however love the choose 1 mechanic. Just wished that wasn't just limited to druid.
Just play Paladin. Farms the Druids and can even beat pirate warrior if you curve into Spikeridged Steed.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Mulligan away 2 wraths because you have the nut ramp start, opponent goes innervate fledgling turn 1 fml.
yeah.. its very hard to get there tho lol, weapon farm those murlocs and if you get there even then you praying they don't had silence
I usually keep 1 wrath even with ramp in hand, just because of weird cases like that.
like the case of a rogue who thought leaving a naked questing adventurer on board was a good idea
I'm at work atm so I can't post the deck code, but it's this list with
-2 razorpetal lasher
-1 vilespine
-1 Sherazin
-2 SI:7
+2 sap
+2 Questing
+1 Prince Valanar
+1 Shadowblade
3 drops are flexible and I change them around quite often depending on what I'm facing. I've tried Valeera and it doesn't really fit the game plan of giants miracle imo. 9 mana is when you should be finishing off your opponent, not setting up. Can't give druids that much time to do their thing. Edwin is a must. IIRC it's the highest winrate card in the deck when played.
Keyser Soze
Member
Ranked Wild 20 - 10 was the easiest run I have had in the game since I started playing. I have not tracked, but I guess I have at least 80% win rate. I grew to hate the current state of standard, so just stopped caring/playing a Rank 6.
I might end up hitting Rank 5 in Wild.
I might end up hitting Rank 5 in Wild.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I'm kinda sick of people going "stop complaining and just counter it" to everyone complaining about Druid. Like do you really think people have not bothered to try and counter it? I can play the counter decks all day, doesn't mean I have fun playing against 80% druids on ladder and that that makes it somehow not a problem. I'm currently absolutely sick of playing ranked cause it's so goddamn boring to keep playing that matchup.
Just ward their jungle
Just ward their jungle
I also think no way there will be effective counter found for druid, and we can only wait for balancing act
but at same time I think its understandable no way they can nerf thing this fast, even if just for technicalities..
I think nerf gonna down around early october, and its an reasonable timeframe.
Keyser Soze
Member
The start was total Pirate Warrior (as I was in a rush to try and earn some gold), but 15-10 was a mix of everything. Murloc Druid, some form of Discovery Mage I used last expansion with Mage DK added. The annoying resurrection Priest from Standard with the Blackrock Mountain Resurrect card added in. Also the old Renolock, as it was the only fully Wild deck I had saved.
I was just having fun trying new things, but still ranked up, which is what I am missing in Standard right now.
I might settle on Renolock if I am going to go try to go higher, but the current net deck, seem too different than what I am used too, so not sure what to do.
slightconfuse
Banned
Made it to rank 5 going to try and ride Jade to legend
Got up to rank 7 in standard, fell to 8, got tilted, switched to wild, and climbed from 19 to 10 with a 79% win rate with a Razakus Priest built about Spawn of Shadows.
Now I'm 95 wins away from Golden Priest so I'm gonna keep cheesing this combo in wild this month and hopefully hit rank 5+ while I'm at it.
Now I'm 95 wins away from Golden Priest so I'm gonna keep cheesing this combo in wild this month and hopefully hit rank 5+ while I'm at it.
Karsticles
Member
Levi, that deck is broken good. Someone on Reddit got to rank 1 legend with a 70% WR.
This is how metas go. Rumors spread of a broken deck. Everyone tries to climb with it. People tech against it. People play it less because losing to tech cards suck. Meta diversifies.
Wild climb to 5 was easy and fast. The climb to legendary has been a tough one though. Wild tends to have an easier climb because there are so many more home made decks. Well... It used to mostly be home brew, but then the Reaper VS came out. Now most netdeck like in Standard.
T
thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe there's a control shaman that'll be good against druid?
Like, what can druid do against a Earth Elemental or 4 mana 7/7? Maybe even throw in the new overload giants.
Like, what can druid do against a Earth Elemental or 4 mana 7/7? Maybe even throw in the new overload giants.
Control Shaman is too freaking slow to do anything, I'm sure that matchup is at least 99.9% winrate for druid.
If you're taking that tack, you're better off high-rolling with Big Priest. Most Jade Druids run tech cards -- silence or MCT or even BGH. They can taunt up better, draw better, and over-run you with giant minions while half your turns you're passing because of overload.
Problem is that the overloaded crystales hurt you a lot, specially against a class that already can ramp to insane levels. I defeated jade druid the 2 times that I used that deck, but still was very close to him, and also the deck has problems against other archetypes
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
unless the rumours are true
most of the good decks against druids are actually aggro decks. usually druids are too slow to deal with them before they die. That is, if they don't have a Spreading the Plague in hand on time.
I see shamanstone is still affecting us on a subconscious level
omg... I'm traumatized on the core of my meta lol..
just edited
Did you post the list? I think I just spectated you while you were playing someone on my friends list at rank 3 and he was rank 2. You beat him
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
The deathwing is a good idea. Yeah i've noticed that the only time I ever pull the quest off is if i'm already winning.
Also the first match I played against a druid last night was the worst. Turn 2 innervate coin nourish wild growth. By my turn 5 he was already playing ultimate infestation and buffing his stupid taunts like crazy. Next time I see a druid i'll save myself the trouble and insta concede.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
How the hell am I supposed to even keep a board up against Priest DK?
slightconfuse
Banned
How don't be at big priest?
Swarms of low attack minions. They only have 1 Dragonfire potion in the Kazakus variant and 1 holy nova. In those cases you swarm them and after those removals they have nothing. You basically win if you can force out those board clears early.
In the Dragon variant they aren't running Kazakus and therefore have LOTS more boardclears. The game plan is the same, but you have a lot more work to force out the clears. In all cases aggressive decks will challenge them because they have limited ways to refill their hand and if you can force them to use their stuff clearing your early lead they won't be able to catch up with the DK because they need the healing.
Sap/miracle rogue, or hex, or polymorph. Or just accept that sometimes you get highrolled by that deck.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
people gushing about frostmourne when anti magic shell is the real BS
Yup, everytime I get that card the game is over.
Karsticles
Member
However, it's really bad when you're ahead, and often a waste of a turn when you're behind.
The truth. My health is always too iffy to steal the big guys with Frostmourne anyway.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
yup
the only ones who can reliably beat it is Shammy with Devolve or Pally combo. Or Rogues vanish.
There are options to beat it, but alot of classes don't stack their deck with those options.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
AMS is just not something you should play around. You just get got when it happens.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Pulled DK Druid. Guess I'm going to see what all the Druid Hype is all about.
I have Hadronox too. No N'zoth, Fandral, or Lich King though.
I have Hadronox too. No N'zoth, Fandral, or Lich King though.
If your doing Jade Druid, Lich King is no longer used. Fandral has won me too many games to count. Fandral innervate DK is a sick combo itself.
Did you post the list? I think I just spectated you while you were playing someone on my friends list at rank 3 and he was rank 2. You beat him
Oh snap. Which deck was he playing?
Here's the list:
### dk handlock
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
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# 1x (1) Mistress of Mixtures
# 1x (1) Mortal Coil
# 1x (1) Voidwalker
# 1x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 1x (2) Defile
# 1x (2) Doomsayer
# 1x (2) Drain Soul
# 1x (2) Tainted Zealot
# 1x (3) Earthen Ring Farseer
# 1x (3) Gluttonous Ooze
# 1x (3) Kabal Courier
# 1x (3) Shadow Bolt
# 1x (3) Tar Creeper
# 1x (4) Blastcrystal Potion
# 1x (4) Hellfire
# 1x (4) Kazakus
# 1x (4) Spellbreaker
# 1x (4) Twilight Drake
# 1x (5) Despicable Dreadlord
# 1x (5) Doomguard
# 1x (5) Second-Rate Bruiser
# 1x (6) Dread Infernal
# 1x (6) Siphon Soul
# 1x (7) Abyssal Enforcer
# 1x (8) The Lich King
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
# 1x (9) Krul the Unshackled
# 1x (10) Bloodreaver Gul'dan
# 1x (12) Mountain Giant
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Congrats both!!
This is the first month I reach 15 too. Previous months I'd stop at 20-19. It's also the first time I get to make a decent deck.
LordOfLore
Banned
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Oooh neat.
kylecoley182
Banned
i can't get past rank 17 I'm horrible lol
slightconfuse
Banned
That bolvar one seems problematic
Seems pretty specific... but, they actually printed a card that makes this more common. So yeah.
Are you finding the deck successful? I'm playing a more conventional demon version and the cards just aren't strong enough to get you through half the time. I think this deck might be better as the cards individually are just better so you can make it to the late game and not need to rely on your demon summoning as much.