LyleLanley
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Part of the screen doesn't work and the battery lasts a solid 45 minutes.
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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST
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Part of the screen doesn't work and the battery lasts a solid 45 minutes.
£1,449 for their base new Macbook Pro, without the touchbar!? Jesus. Like, holy shit at that price, for 13" no less. I don't know what they are trying to do with that price point, I'm not even going to look at the 15", I can't imagine how ridiculously those will be priced.
I've had my mid 2009 Macbook and it's run fine till recently and I was waiting to see what they ended up doing. I won't be getting one of these.
I've had my mid 2009 Macbook and it's run fine till recently and I was waiting to see what they ended up doing. I won't be getting one of these.
Sir Abacus
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I pawed around at some other Windows laptops. Between Windows 10 HiDPI support still being garbage and the price of the Surface Book's dGPU setup I ultimately just stuck with the 15" with a 512GB SSD and the 460.
It'll be a nice replacement for my Late 2013 rMBP which is getting a little long in the tooth.
It'll be a nice replacement for my Late 2013 rMBP which is getting a little long in the tooth.
Obviously there is no way to know for sure. But it is a clusterfuck of ports now. :/
Dreams-Visions
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While I hear you...my truth is that I haven't had to buy adapters on anything but Apple products in the last 20 years. The last time I bought an adapter on PC was when USB was a new technology, bud. Let's not pretend like the PC space is rapidly and regularly adding/removing port technologies. VGA was coming on laptops for 20 years. HDMI still comes on laptops and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future (outside of Apple, OFC). USB will always be backwards compatible and dongles only needed if a machine came with only a mini port (which is still pretty rare). eSATA would be an example I guess, but it never reached critical mass anyway and was never forced upon consumers as the only connector they could have.
So yea man, I'm going to blanketly say that it's very rare in the PC space that I need to buy new shit to get old shit working. Outside of VGA and Serial what fucking piece of PC hardware have you bought in the last 30 years that you needed a dongle for? Don't worry; I'll wait. I assume that represents a pretty small % of the PC experience. Meanwhile, Apple treats their hardware like it's a gaming console. Every 3-5 years, it's time to look at new dongle options at little to no actual benefit to the consumer because "________ ___________ __ ____ _ _______" (fill in the new apple PR gushing quotes).
That's my reality. Sorry if that bothers you, but my blanket is what I've observed over the last decade of buying Apple products and 30 years of owning PC products. YMMV, I guess. Ignorance can sometimes be bliss. I personally would be happy if Apple stopped treating their power users like they don't exist. I'd rather NOT take my money elsewhere, but it seems Apple simply doesn't want my patronage anymore. I'm frustrated about that.
Coming from Apple people expect it to be good, but it's easily worthless to the average user and not worth the money they are charging for it. They put it in there to say the are innovating.
Sir Abacus
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My 3 year old rMBP is still at 90% of battery. It gets handed down to the next person in my family when I replace it and they keep it for another three years.
Those impressions were from journalists.
I have a early 2013 that still has more than half its charge cycles left. And battery replacements are offered.
Guy LeDouche
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is a hub considered a dongle? I bought a 4 port hub and a samsung flash drive that has usb 3 on one side and type-c on the other.
i'm ordering a base 13" pro upgraded to 16gb ram and 512gb ssd (less than $1k with my discount, natch) to replace my wife's 2012 MBA. the hub will stay at home and the flash drive will go in her bag.
Speaking of piles of garbage, my current 2010 MBP:
-Won't hold a battery longer than like 20 minutes.
-The keyboard is completely busted, causing me to use a bluetooth keyboard and have to disable the onboard one via terminal (otherwise it randomly hits down or enter)
-The screen is literally falling off. It slides down once in a while.
-Every one of the nubs on the bottom has fallen off, exposing huge holes
-It basically eats discs. They go in but can't come out. Also I have an external mac disc drive that apparently can't be recognized by this computer for some godforsaken reason...
-Screws wind themselves out all the time on the case
-Audio jack is completely fucked
Sir Abacus
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2013 rMBP. Three years old.
yes
I have a 2010 MBP, and the only part on it that's screwed up that wasn't my fault is one of the USB ports that fails to work sometimes.
They literally swapped the £ and $ dollar sign and said fuck conversions.
So happy I got the 2015 rMBP last year. You don't even get the headline feature for £1449, if you want that you better cough up £1700+!
Yoda
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The new adapters + the (increased) Apple Premium + last year's Intel processors + the shitty butterfly keyboard are too much to ignore. The touch-bar appears to be a good idea, function keys are almost never used by most (can't say the same about the escape key!), I'm not sure my next laptop will be a Macbook Pro and I'm currently on the (or was) the maxed out 15 rMBP.
Dreams-Visions
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Yea that's a good setup. The dongle someone posted from Amazon looks good with 3 USB ports on it for $18.
I have a 13" from the same time. I don't see any value upgrading this year. I hope that next year they have better pricing. Doubt it.
Always-honest
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Looks good but i bought a refurbished fully loaded Retina Pro from 2012 a few months ago.
Very nice machine to work on with Adobe Software and to make music on (as well as using it as a media center.
So i guess i'll be looking for the new MacbookPro in 4 years..
Very nice machine to work on with Adobe Software and to make music on (as well as using it as a media center.
So i guess i'll be looking for the new MacbookPro in 4 years..
The One Who Knocks
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I think the point he is making is with the MacBook Pro being an Apple product it's only natural that the OLED bar to be of a high quality, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be useful to the average consumer or justify the price.
eyeball_kid
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The screen is a wide-gamut display now, like the 5k iMac and the iPhone 7.
edit: my bad, I misunderstood you. Yes, both the Touch Bar and the base model have the wide-gamut display.
Even without the conversions issues though, I feel like these sorts of prices are way, way beyond what I'd ever consider paying for a laptop.
I nearly shit myself when I saw some of the prices coming out Microsoft's event yesterday (although with those at least there's some acknowledgement of the strength and innovation of the products) and then Apple are following suite today. Has the market just ballooned again or what?
One and a half grand for the baseline of a line of laptops is fucking lunacy. I don't know where the market even is there.
It's just.. what? What is going on over there?
LordOfChaos
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A 15W recent Intel processor in a chassis designed for a 28W one can still take good advantage, if Apple gave them both the same cooling...Now I'm curious if they did.
he means between the 13 inch non-touch bar sorta but not air macbook pro vs the touch bar macbook pros
nothing is upgradable
Retina iMacs have come down quite a bit since their release in 2014 when I got mine right? I would expect something similar here.I have a 13" from the same time. I don't see any value upgrading this year. I hope that next year they have better pricing. Doubt it.
I was responding to the Apple person comment. Was not sure what he meant by that.
Obviously a different people have different needs and budgets.
There is no way your battery last more than an hour.
Secondly, the batteries on new macs are not user replaceable.
It's gorgeous but I just don't care anymore. I'm pretty surprised with myself but those parts offer absolutely no help for what I use a Macbook for.
mashoutposse
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In for maxed 15" Space Grey.
My guess is they didn't because the base 13 actually fits a larger battery. And I don't think turbo boost is supposed to run for a continuous amount of time, so you'd still get more consistent and faster performance from the 28.
Ugh, seriously?
Let me guess, ram and HDD are pretty much non-replaceable now, right? One way I was able to last this long with my current one was because I upgraded to 16gb ram and a 1TB HDD myself.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Heh, no chance at that price point. Not a fucking chance. I could pick up a GTX 1060/70, i7 6700 combo for that.
I'll stick to my mid 2012 MBP GTX 650m.
Just recently threw 16GB RAM in it, swapped the HDD for an SSD and removed the disc drive for the HDD to slot into.
The thing is like a brand new machine.
I'll stick to my mid 2012 MBP GTX 650m.
Just recently threw 16GB RAM in it, swapped the HDD for an SSD and removed the disc drive for the HDD to slot into.
The thing is like a brand new machine.
they weren't user replaceable in 2010 either. You can get them replaced by Apple tho, so its not like you're completely fucked when your battery shits the bed or anything
Welp, I'm keeping my late-2013 13" Retina. It's currently plugged into one monitor via DP over thunderbolt, another via HDMI, with my cameras SD card sticking out of one end and a firewire -> thunderbolt cable for my soundcard so basically I'd be paying a shitload of cash for a slight performance increase, a bunch of dongles and adapters and a possibly inferior keyboard.
The new Razers are looking pretty damn attractive right now...
The new Razers are looking pretty damn attractive right now...
eyeball_kid
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I think once the Touch Bar gets out in the wild and we see third-party developer support for it, it's going to get very positive reactions, and a lot of passersby at coffeeshops wanting to touch the Bar. 😬
Whether that's worth the price gouging or the ports issue I don't know, but I think the negativity about the Touch Bar will go away, aside from Surface fanboys. I think it'll be extremely useful and make workflows more efficient.
Whether that's worth the price gouging or the ports issue I don't know, but I think the negativity about the Touch Bar will go away, aside from Surface fanboys. I think it'll be extremely useful and make workflows more efficient.
Particle Physicist
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I am debating between the 13" and the 15". Will the 13" run older games decently well? I am not much of a gamer anymore but I have a huge backlog of old ass games I want to play.
LordOfChaos
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I didn't know the battery thing, if that's true you're probably right and the cooling is smaller.
However an Intel CPU will happily run at full Turbo all day long, if it never hits the thermal limits set for turbo. My rMBP 15" can, until there's a CPU+GPU load together.
Definitely something you have to try for awhile before you see if it has any worth.
I hope they can get the mini to drive a 5k display or two with a single cable the way this can. I know it will never happen but a man can dream..
Apple doesn't have enough courage
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