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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST

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Yes. The base 13" Pro is the new Air
What would be starting to worry me from an Apple perspective is that there's almost no device now on sale that could be classed as entry level into the macOS ecosystem, even for relatively well off students, I think down the line this is going to be pretty devastating for its wide spread usage.

MacBooks have always been an expensive option, but the starting prices of their new range are just too high now.
 

sc0la

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They showed off that holding the fn key on the keyboard switches the touch bar to just the function keys on macOS. I assume it defaults to that mode in Windows and holding the fn key will switch over to controls like volume, brightness, etc...
I assumed it would function like this. But still no escape key 😫
 

Guess Who

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16 CU Polaris 11 lines up with the 480M specs leaked a few months ago.

What would be starting to worry me from an Apple perspective is that there's almost no device now on sale that could be classed as entry level into the macOS ecosystem, even for relatively well off students, I think down the line this is going to be pretty devastating for its wide spread usage.

MacBooks have always been an expensive option, but the starting prices of their new range are just too high now.

To be clear, the Air is still for sale, it just wasn't updated. The old 13" Retina Pro is also still for sale.
 

icespide

Banned
What would be starting to worry me from an Apple perspective is that there's almost no device now on sale that could be classed as entry level into the macOS ecosystem, even for relatively well off students, I think down the line this is going to be pretty devastating for its wide spread usage.

I would think the 12 inch MacBook is intended for that role
 

Futureman

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So no desktop updates and they made the laptops worse across the board. I guess if I can avoid going back into iOS dev I won't have to buy one of these when my 2013 MBP reaches the end of its life.

Meh. Laptops definitely aren't worse. Just marginally better and a higher price point.
 

dark_chris

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If you want to keep full res you would need to buy storage but I'm happy to have a free automated back up for my phone. Doesn't sound like it is what you need.

You would be better trying to find the display features on the Windows 10 Photos app to see if it meets your needs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7iwNbRFFgA


Can I ask where do you keep 250GB of photos? With the storage options on new computers (256GB SSDs) do you have a NAS or external drive set up.
It's an internal drive setup with a copy on my external drive
 

giga

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$1300 is ridiculous. I'd rather splurge and get an actual iMac with the same screen for the extra $500
Sure, I would too. But who else offers a 27" 5k standalone display with a p3 gamut? Dell makes an Adobe RGB one and it's not far off in price.
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
I liked, and get the point of the touchbar, but oh boy did it ever glaringly put a spotlight on the fact that OSX and Macs still don't have touchscreen. All this exacerbated by the launch of the Surface Studio yesterday. It basically adds functionality in a literally and philosophically narrow way that's available on just about every other platform, including the bulk of Apple's other OSs.
The touchbar is confusing af, even though the contextual use is interesting.

I don't expect Apple to use touch screens for the MBP line.
 

Lonely1

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What would be starting to worry me from an Apple perspective is that there's almost no device now on sale that could be classed as entry level into the macOS ecosystem, even for relatively well off students, I think down the line this is going to be pretty devastating for its wide spread usage.

MacBooks have always been an expensive option, but the starting prices of their new range are just too high now.

Yep, just checked my local Mac store, and the cheapest Mac they offer goes for $30K MXN...

I feel like this is the tipping point where MS gains mind share and culture share on Apple.

This is the point where the new Surfaces will start to explode, saving Apple's mind share!
 
Who started this "lost the plot" thing in this thread? I hope they're getting royalties

lol I just said that and haven't read the thread besides the OP I just got done catching up on the event.

I am sorry but Apple is lost, none of their devices plugs work with each other and prices are out of control and they seem to be ignoring what the faithful really want out of their hardware. I understand its not Apples job to placate to every demand but shit is crazy in Cupertino right now.
 

Fuchsdh

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I would think the 12 inch MacBook is intended for that role

Except they didn't drop the price on it.

Not having a new model that's under $1000 is stupid.

Moreover, though, it doesn't seem like a rational response to the fact that the Mac line has stagnated and sales have dropped as a result. They couldn't even be bothered to upgrade the Mac mini as a "by the way" update at the end of the show like they did in 2014.
 

Futureman

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MS can deathblow Apple with improved SP5 and SB2 in Spring '17. Knock it out of the park with those two models and chop off a few hundred from the comparable models out now.
 
I think Apple is now far down the road of making sure that college lecture halls are no longer a sea of MacBooks, but a sea of Windows notebooks and Chromebooks. Macs were basically premium products for students before, but the pricing has gotten extreme to the point that I don't think most students will bother with the brand - especially now that Apple is doing away with their cheaper Air alternative.
 

Dartastic

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So I was going to boot camp purely for gaming. I might pick up the cheaper new MBP13 without the touch bar for daily stuff and a razer laptop for games. I just... I just don't know if I can swallow the price for the 15" that I want
Or just do what I did and build a PC. For daily stuff you can probably go with a cheaper surface. You can get top of the line gaming and a Surface for everyday use for cheaper than a 15" MBP.
 
USA - 1500 usd, EU 1699€... Damn, VAT hurts.

Still, the old basic model with the 256gb ssd upgrade was 1689€, so it won't be that much of a hike if I end getting it, but... I will have to give it a lot of thought. Not sure what to do. This was going to be my first mac, but we may see some sales of the old models, at least on retail?
 

xevis

Banned
Watching the keynote now. Seriously unimpressed. Not only is there no physical Escape key but I have to press Fn to get to the new virtual one? WTF? I practically live inside the vim text editor. You know what key I need to press every few seconds? Escape!

Why Apple, Why? :(
 

rrs

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why even call the low end 13" MBP a pro, it seems more like a macbook successor (a very expensive one, but still)

Watching the keynote note. Seriously unimpressed. Not only is there no physical Escape key I now have to press Fn to get to it? WTF? I practically live inside the vim text editor. You know what key I need to press every few seconds? Escape!

Why Apple, Why? :(
bind it to caps lock in system and embrace the lunix
 

Kromis1

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Anyone know if the retina 2016 MacBook Pro (not the one announced today) can play overwatch smoothly ? I want to game with my little one as I travel for work and was wondering does it work fine enough?

There is no Mac version of Overwatch though?
 

kotodama

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If I was going to get a MacBook, I guess the new 13 inch MacBook Pro with physical Fn keys is the way to go. The touch bar seems too much of a gimmick at the moment. That being said the Surface line seems to be better. However, I'd probably get neither as I couldn't easily pull them apart if I needed to. Are any laptops self serviceable these days?
 
Or just do what I did and build a PC. For daily stuff you can probably go with a cheaper surface. You can get top of the line gaming and a Surface for everyday use for cheaper than a 15" MBP.

I'm gonna get something macOS, that's a guarantee. That's my daily driver and that won't change. I'm not going back to windows for day to day stuff. Gaming, sure, I can boot into Steam and be done with it. But not for anything else

Time to do some math on what's more cost effect for my use
 

icespide

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I'm gonna get something macOS, that's a guarantee. That's my daily driver and that won't change. I'm not going back to windows for day to day stuff. Gaming, sure, I can boot into Steam and be done with it. But not for anything else

Time to do some math on what's more cost effect for my use

you should buy two 15 inch MacBook Pro's
 
I'm gonna get something macOS, that's a guarantee. That's my daily driver and that won't change. I'm not going back to windows for day to day stuff. Gaming, sure, I can boot into Steam and be done with it. But not for anything else

Time to do some math on what's more cost effect for my use

I would choose the base Macbook Pro 13 2016 without Touch Bar.

or

Macbook Pro 15 2016 base model with Radeon 460 graphics upgrade.

The difference between the two is ~$1050.
 

xevis

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bind it to caps lock in system and embrace the lunix

Well, I ssh from one box to another so I'd need to carry my .vimrc everywhere, which defeats half the purpose of using vim and friends (they're standard tools pretty much everywhere). I thought maybe Terminal supports such a keybinding but it seems not. So now I need a replacement for that? This can only end in tears :(
 

giga

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I would choose the base Macbook Pro 13 2016 without Touch Bar.

or

Macbook Pro 15 2016 base model with Radeon 460 graphics upgrade.
Do not get the base 13 if you expect pro class performance and expansion. Only two ports and a MBA class CPU. It's literally made for Air lovers who wanted a retina screen. Sadly it costs $300 more than they were expecting. (256gb Air is $1300)
 
Is it par for the course that you can't upgrade the RAM at all? 16gb is the max? Seems...not great.

Then again, I'm typing on a early-2008 Macbook Pro so I am REALLY overdue for an upgrade.
 

Iolo

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Well, I ssh from one box to another so I'd need to carry my .vimrc everywhere, which defeats half the purpose of using vim and friends (they're standard tools pretty much everywhere). I thought maybe Terminal supports such a keybinding but it seems not. So now I need a replacement for that? This can only end in tears :(

They meant to change the assignment in system preferences.
 
Yes, the Razer line is the spiritual successor to the MBP line.

It certainly is for me. My current MBP:

17" matte
32GB of ram (which I upgraded over time from 8GB in 2011)
1x 512GB SSD
1x 1TB HDD
3x USB (2 in use at this very second)
1x DP (in use via dongle to my external monitor)
1x Thunderbolt
Headphone jack
Mic jack
Ethernet jack (in use)


You know what closely matches the form factor, storage options, built-in ports, battery life and screen quality?

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-pro

3x USB, SD card slot, built in HDMI, audio port, ram I can upgrade when I want to, and internal space for 2 drives. Exactly the options I have now, but with a high quality 4K display with GSync. And a monster GPU of course. It looks like a black version of the exact MBP laptop I'm working on right now, thought it appears a bit longer.

And the best part is I don't have to downgrade to a 15" if I get the Pro. I'd prefer one with a lower GPU (1070M?), but oh well. Will still be money better spent than this new Macbook Pro can offer.

I lose the multitouch pad flexibility and Spaces. Battery life is probably about the same as what I'm used to with my 2011 MBP. I'm pretty sure I gain in other areas in orders of magnitude if I go this route, however.

No?

The bandwidth and flexibility of USB-C is not for casuals. But yes, it will be a difficult, dongle-filled transition. But Apple has historically always moved to ports earlier than the industry, so this is not unexpected. Though I'm not sure how I'll hook up my DisplayPort display to it yet...

That's the issue, though. The "pro" line should be more powerful while remaining somewhat conservative. Forcing professional users to have to manage an array of dongles is insulting. It's fine for casual people (Macbook/Air purchasers) as they rarely need to connect to multiple external devices or external monitors, right? They're using their machines on the couch or in classes. Pro users should expect a computer built around the sorts of environments that professionals are in. That means some USB3 ports, HDMI, headphone jack, thunderbolt, mic built in every time for at least a couple more years. The removal of these components (especially without providing multiple adapters in the box) makes these computers increasingly hostile to actual professional uses.

You're telling me that in order for me to adapt this computer to my current environment, I need to buy 4 dongle adapters right out of the box? I am currently:

- Using an external USB Yeti mic that I have to use
- Charging my iPad
- Connected to my external USB DAC (Nuforce Icon HDP)
- DisplayPort out to my monitor via dongle/adapter
- Power plugged in.

My Wacom tablet and external USB HDDs are on deck when I need to use it too. Right now on my 2011 MBP I can hook essentially everything I need up, no dongles required. So this becomes backward steps for me that cost me more money without any practical benefit for me. It's not going to make my USB hardware run faster. It's just going to cost me more.
 

rrs

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Well, I ssh from one box to another so I'd need to carry my .vimrc everywhere, which defeats half the purpose of using vim and friends (they're standard tools pretty much everywhere). I thought maybe Terminal supports such a keybinding but it seems not. So now I need a replacement for that? This can only end in tears :(
I don't know the exact details on how to swap caps lock with esc for everything on the system, but anything you ssh into wouldn't know the difference (unless the ssh client ignored said system setting)
 

Bionic

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Are you using chrome? Because that, for whatever reason, is ridiculously unoptimized for Windows/Surface laptops. The touch pad on my Surface pro works amazing on MS's own software,but anything else is a coin toss
I do use Chrome, but I don't have more or different problems with the touchpad in Chrome than in MS apps. I have the most frustration with the touchpad in Word and Excel. In fact, I can't remember having anything touchpad or otherwise that worked better in MS apps than in Chrome on the surface book. I appreciate the advice, but I don't think that's my issue.
 
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