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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST

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Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Hey all, just had a sudden thought.

I'll be in Portland, OR in early December for a trip with my wife, anyway. There's no tax there, which would save me about ~$200 or so on a 15" rMBP BTO. I'll be there Dec 2-4th.

The online orders on Apple.com says the laptop would be available for pickup December 6th.

I know it's a long shot - ANY idea on whether or not in-store pickup items may arrive early?
 
Hey all, just had a sudden thought.

I'll be in Portland, OR in early December for a trip with my wife, anyway. There's no tax there, which would save me about ~$200 or so on a 15" rMBP BTO. I'll be there Dec 2-4th.

The online orders on Apple.com says the laptop would be available for pickup December 6th.

I know it's a long shot - ANY idea on whether or not in-store pickup items may arrive early?

That's a pretty long shot, yeah... I mean, I work in an apple retail store. It's 100% possible and has happened where stuff comes in early. My watch and my girlfriend's way shipped weeks before the estimated time, so it seems like Apple is more conservative with shipping new products than existing ones

That being said banking on an early shipment is pretty risky
 
Can someone please explain this thinking to me? What USB-C accessories would exist for the iPhone if it were to have USB-C? Battery Banks can easily use the Lightning to USB-C cable you would need for your computer, so that's not a problem.

I've never used my iPhones Lightning port for anything other than charging, and while I know there are some Lightning accessories, I think the people who use them are very few, certainly not enough to drive the creation of USB-C computer peripherals, unless we are talking about wanting a whole bunch of USB-C headphones.
I'm talking about everything including headphones. Even for charging why wouldn't you standardize your cables and adopt USB-C instead of just pushing your own lightning cable? Apple wants to convince people that USB-C is the future of computing and it's all they should use for their MacBook's, then they go and stick Lightning on the iPad, iPad Pro, iPhone, and various accessories and expect you to use that as well. If USB-C is supposed to be so great than why aren't they using it in more of their products?
 

btrboyev

Member
It's actually all sorts of bizarre that the Surface Studio, a "bleeding edge" starting at $3K computer that ships only in 2017, doesn't have any USB-C/TB3 port. Talk about backwards. But best not question tech's rediscovered darling (or the virtues of posing as the new little underdog that could).

Because it doesn't need USB-C?
 
Hey all, just had a sudden thought.

I'll be in Portland, OR in early December for a trip with my wife, anyway. There's no tax there, which would save me about ~$200 or so on a 15" rMBP BTO. I'll be there Dec 2-4th.

The online orders on Apple.com says the laptop would be available for pickup December 6th.

I know it's a long shot - ANY idea on whether or not in-store pickup items may arrive early?

your gonna get charged tax for the online purchase in your state anyway, no?
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
If the end piece wasn't so wide, I'd have one permanently installed in my MBP if I had one.

I mean it's not like they can't make them. Just look at the MagBolt. Does the part connected to the computer have electronics in it? Is there a reason it needs to stick out that far? Make it smaller! Also make it come out at a 90º angle so I can have to run out to the back.
I feel like with the Belkin I would always keep the magnetic part on the cable instead of in a port on the laptop. Really the MagSafe feature is something I want for accidents so I don't mind the minor inconvenience of not having it plugged in all the time.

Hope Belkin makes one for the 15" charger.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Can someone please explain this thinking to me? What USB-C accessories would exist for the iPhone if it were to have USB-C? Battery Banks can easily use the Lightning to USB-C cable you would need for your computer, so that's not a problem.

I've never used my iPhones Lightning port for anything other than charging, and while I know there are some Lightning accessories, I think the people who use them are very few, certainly not enough to drive the creation of USB-C computer peripherals, unless we are talking about wanting a whole bunch of USB-C headphones.

One of the nice things would be that you could charge your iphone with a macbook charger without having to swap out the end for a USB-specific one. If you're carrying the macbook charger anyways, that would be one less thing you'd have to carry.
 

entremet

Member
Got to play around with the plain 13. Non gimmick bar.

I'm really liking it!

The huge trackpad is really nice and the screen is great.
 
Hey all, just had a sudden thought.

I'll be in Portland, OR in early December for a trip with my wife, anyway. There's no tax there, which would save me about ~$200 or so on a 15" rMBP BTO. I'll be there Dec 2-4th.

The online orders on Apple.com says the laptop would be available for pickup December 6th.

I know it's a long shot - ANY idea on whether or not in-store pickup items may arrive early?
Sometimes they do, don't count on it though.

Source: I worked for apple in Portland.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Watching a bunch of unboxings of the non-Touchbar MBP and it is really really sleek looking. Especially the grey one which everyone seems to be getting. I can't wait for these reviewers to start getting the Touchbar models so we can see it put to the professional test. That's what I'm most looking forward to. How professionals take to the Touchbar will be what decides whether it's a game changing feature or a silly gimmick.

I wish they'd have put out a black one to match the iPhone. It's all I've wanted forever. I was even jealous when I had my 2007 white MacBook and they came out with the black one shortly after. Just give us a black model. Screw Rose Gold or Gold, we want Black. From now on all the Macs and iPads should match all the current iPhones in color choices.

Or just give us black.
 
I'm really considering the 2015 15" pro with the 2.5g processor, 16gb of ram and upgraded graphics for $2299.

Would this be a mistake? Or should i just wait even longer? (2008 macbook user here)

Depends on what you need the laptop for. I was going to play the waiting game but ended up getting the 2015 edition because rumours of the touch bar and using only USB-C wasn't appealing to me (I still use USBs and I'm not going to pay extra right now for a dongle). I find that the 2015 rendition is just as great as the first time I got my 2010 Macbook Pro from a performance standpoint.

Like I said, it's really up to you and what your needs are.
 
I'm sticking with my top end 13". No incentive to upgrade and I don't want to which is funny considering how much of a technophile I am.

Can someone please explain this thinking to me? What USB-C accessories would exist for the iPhone if it were to have USB-C? Battery Banks can easily use the Lightning to USB-C cable you would need for your computer, so that's not a problem.

I've never used my iPhones Lightning port for anything other than charging, and while I know there are some Lightning accessories, I think the people who use them are very few, certainly not enough to drive the creation of USB-C computer peripherals, unless we are talking about wanting a whole bunch of USB-C headphones.

What Lightning based accessories existed for the iPhone when it was still on the old 30-pin connector?

And there are a quite a number of Lightning accessories. You got speakers, alarm clocks, microphones, flash drives, etc.
 

Chumley

Banned
Apple has removed the startup chime in the new MacBook Pros.

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KtSlime

Member
I'm sticking with my top end 13". No incentive to upgrade and I don't want to which is funny considering how much of a technophile I am.



What Lightning based accessories existed for the iPhone when it was still on the old 30-pin connector?

And there are a quite a number of Lightning accessories. You got speakers, alarm clocks, microphones, flash drives, etc.

People are upset about having to get adapters for the new MBP finally replacing a USBa that has been around for 20 years, people are complaining that it is too soon to switch, that it should be more gradual. If they are complaining about it being too soon after 20 years what do you think their opinion will be about only 4 years.

Say Apple does switch, how long will the switch be relevant? Two years? Four? I think Apple will just wait it out and then axe wired connections all together.

I haven't plugged an iPhone into my computer since the 4, I'm sure many are the same.
 

Sesuadra

Unconfirmed Member
You got a much much better display, an all new much thinner design, better specs, OLED toolbar that is a bit more significant a feature than you're post says, touch ID, a much bigger trackpad, better speakers, etc... My question would be...what were you expecting? Touchscreen was never in the cards and I'm not sure what else you could possibly want.

I actually agree with tom warren:

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Lets get it over with. Sometimes you gotta drag people kicking and screaming.

The problem is not the USB C. The problem is the missing SD Card reader that could be used to add a micro SD to add cheap GB to make your internal storage bigger >>..
for me, of course
and that they added that slow CPU/GPU and RAM to the entry level MBP 13"...
 
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Where do corporate worshipers like this come from ?

Smart engineering would be to give people mix of 2 new usb ports and 2 old ones so they can make transition as painless as possible.

That way most people would need only hdmi adapter at most.
 

KtSlime

Member
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Where do corporate worshipers like this come from ?

Smart engineering would be to give people mix of 2 new usb ports and 2 old ones so they can make transition as painless as possible.

That way most people would need only hdmi adapter at most.

Thinking you should just rip off the bandaid does not make you a corporate worshiper. I've seen a lot of standards change over my years, and one that sticks out in my mind painfully is ps/2. I am amazed at how long mice and keyboards were burdened by those purple and aquamarine ports.
 

kaitoe

Member
Lets be real if Apple wanted to get everybody to adopt USB-C faster they would have dropped the Lightning port and switched the iPhone over to USB-C. The fact that they didn't and decided to chase the lightning cash instead is fine, but that shows they are not committed to pushing it. I'd rather Microsoft kept legacy ports for now instead of dropping it all.

I don't think they will ever put USB-C in their phones. I actually think that they're trying to get rid of all the ports on the iPhone and just let lightning be the last of it. I think they'll push for wireless charging and syncing and rely more on iCloud services to stream content like music. For example, I don't have to transfer any music to my phone, even with music I own because it's uploaded to iCloud music and I can stream it anywhere afterwards. Similar with photos.
 

jts

...hate me...
Don't think that the speculated "portless" endgame for the iPhone can be achieved in less than a decade's time. There haven't been significant advances is wireless charging for one, and actually the iPhone (iOS) supports a plethora of USB devices, from DACs to mics to ethernet adapters to card readers/mass storage, to keyboards and whatnot. Just need the lightning to USB-A adapter (also known as camera adapter). Hope they make a USB-C one soon, one that doubles as the replacement for the Lightning to Micro-USB adapter as well.

Also, don't see why single out the iPhone in the "portless future". If the iPhone will be ready for it, iPad and Mac (consumer versions) won't be too behind either. But yeah that's a pipe dream for now.

In my opinion, if Apple sticks to Lightning it's because:

-Costumers are invested in Lightning
-Make money out of the licensing program
-Close/control the system down a bit tighter
-Lightning is slightly slender than USB-C and might prove tricky to replace one with the other in some applications of the port.
 
I don't think they will ever put USB-C in their phones. I actually think that they're trying to get rid of all the ports on the iPhone and just let lightning be the last of it. I think they'll push for wireless charging and syncing and rely more on iCloud services to stream content like music. For example, I don't have to transfer any music to my phone, even with music I own because it's uploaded to iCloud music and I can stream it anywhere afterwards. Similar with photos.

While a portless iPhone may be the end goal, I cannot see it happening in the near future. Ignoring the wireless charging and content management via iTunes, Recovery Mode on an iPhone plays such an important role in dealing with a host of software issues (update errors, frozen displays, and forgotten passcodes/restrictions passcodes primarily) that until a recovery mode-like feature is possible without connecting it directly to a computer (something I'm skeptical is possible) at least one port is going to have to remain. It's certainly something to work towards (a completely wireless future which is clearly the direction they're going) but I think it's still a long way off.
 

urfe

Member
I think I'm settling on the cheapest MBP. It's 20,000 yen more than a MB, and is more powerful/has a better camera/screen.

Considering upgrading RAM or hard dive, but don't want to pay so much.

155,000 yen with student discount and tax.
 

giga

Member
Apple has removed the startup chime in the new MacBook Pros. https://pingie.com/2016/10/28/apple-says-goodbye-to-the-startup-chime-with-the-new-macbook-pro/

"Hello Again", and then this?

This brings me more pain than any port removal because there's no dongle to bring it back.

The problem is not the USB C. The problem is the missing SD Card reader that could be used to add a micro SD to add cheap GB to make your internal storage bigger >>..
for me, of course
and that they added that slow CPU/GPU and RAM to the entry level MBP 13"...

I'm sure SanDisk will update this to USB-C in time: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BGTG2A0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
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Where do corporate worshipers like this come from ?

Smart engineering would be to give people mix of 2 new usb ports and 2 old ones so they can make transition as painless as possible.

That way most people would need only hdmi adapter at most.

The real result of this is the new USB ports never get used. Macs switched to USB from serial years ahead of PCs because Apple just yanked it
 

Zoc

Member
I think I'm settling on the cheapest MBP. It's 20,000 yen more than a MB, and is more powerful/has a better camera/screen.

Considering upgrading RAM or hard dive, but don't want to pay so much.

155,000 yen with student discount and tax.

If the student discount is that low, you'd be better off buying it at yodobashi for the points.
 

EmiPrime

Member
From Six Colors:

On stage Thursday, Schiller said that the MacBook Pro’s keyboard was a second-generation version of the MacBook keyboard and featured design changes to give it more movement feel. As someone who is not a fan of the very small amount of keyboard travel on the MacBook keyboard, I noted the phrasing. He didn’t say the keys moved more, just that they felt better.

Well, it’s my sad duty to report that the MacBook Pro keyboard has the same key travel as the MacBook. Apple says the stainless steel dome switch beneath each key has been honed to give you a more responsive feel, but to me it feels just like the MacBook’s keyboard. (To be fair, I don’t have a MacBook available to test directly. It’s possible that this keyboard does indeed feel more responsive than the MacBook, but I would never mistake it for the old MacBook Pro or MacBook Air keyboards or even the Magic Keyboard.)

If you like the MacBook’s keyboard, good news! You’re gonna get it. If you don’t like it—well, I don’t know what to tell you. It seems like this is the keyboard style Apple’s going to give us on laptops until the day comes when it does away with physical keys altogether.
 

X-Frame

Member
This is a stupid question because Apple doesn't seem to clarify this but all of the new MBP's have the Skylake CPU correct? So what exactly changes with the options to go from say 2.7 GHz to 2.9 GHz?

Is it a different CPU or no? Thanks!
 

Sony

Nintendo
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Where do corporate worshipers like this come from ?

Smart engineering would be to give people mix of 2 new usb ports and 2 old ones so they can make transition as painless as possible.

That way most people would need only hdmi adapter at most.

Do these "tech" journalists even know what's up? USB-C, in it's current state is a clusterfuck. I'll explain why:

Immediately when the organization behind USB introduced the type-c connector and 3.1, there was confusion. The confusion was in the fact that it was unclear if only USB 3.1 could have the reversable type-c connector, and also in that it was unclear what the capabilities of the connector were. What added even more to the confusion is that USB 3.1 gradually swallowed USB 3.0, and the distinction between 3.0 and 3.1 got even more unclear. The former 3.0 standard became USB 3.1 gen 1, and the former 3.1 standard became USB 3.1 gen 2, giving us the following standards:

Version - Speed - coding - connectors
USB 2.0 - up to 480mbit/s - 8/10bit - type a, b, mini, micro, c
USB 3.1 gen 1 - up to 5Gbit/s - 8/10 bit - type a, b, mini, micro, c
USB 3.1 gen 2 - up tp 10Gbit/s - 128/130bit - type a, b, mini, micro, c

So the difference between 3.1 gen 1 and gen 2 (which manufacturers still call 3.0 and 3.1 because of the confusion it would cause) is the speed, coding and secutry in the way two devices communicate about speed, not the connector. The type-c connector can thus be used for even USB 2.0 ports.

Is that the only confusion? Hell no. There is also an option Power Delivery protocol (PD). If this is implemented, then the chaging capacity can be adjusted and varied according to the power need. Simultaneously with the introduction of USB 3.1 and the introduction of the type-c connecter, a new standard for charching got introduced: power delivery standard, having 5 levels, which prescribe different currents and voltages and have a maximum of 100W. The voltages are being negotiated by two connected devices, and the chip inside the cable must support this profile.

Revision 2 and 3 of the USB Power delivery specification, with voltages above 5V, require a type-c connector. Though a type-c connector, the client and host connumicate though a data channel. The type-c connector is not explusive to USB 3.1 gen 2, and neither is this PD standard. USB 2.0 and 3.0 (3.1 gen 1) can also use this PD standard, but the cable has to be PD-Aware, and the micro-connector can only support up to 60W.

A normal cable can deliver 5V, 25W, via the Batter Charging 1.2 profiles, but these are outside of the PD-spec..

To prevent damage to the host client, or when the cable isn't PD ware, the voltage will be optimized to something safe. The devices will then stay at 5B, 1.5A, good for 7.5W.

What does this all lead to? Buying aftermarket cables is risky. Especially if you want to buy a Type A to C cable, it can destroy your device due to incorrect power draw.

The third revision tot he PD-protocol is published, the difference being that it added authentication, to prevent this damage. But as it stands, it's quite risky to jump over to USB-C ports only, as it gives the impression that it's the all-in one port and that any USB-C cable supports everything.
 

Garou

Member
This is a stupid question because Apple doesn't seem to clarify this but all of the new MBP's have the Skylake CPU correct? So what exactly changes with the options to go from say 2.7 GHz to 2.9 GHz?

Is it a different CPU or no? Thanks!

Skylake isn't a single CPU, it's a CPU-series.
 

Qassim

Member
The problem is, that startup chime acts is a signal for a successful POST. All this does is make things harder to troubleshoot, unnecessarily.

Suppose it increases dependence on Apple for support...
 

Two Words

Member
I'm really considering the 2015 15" pro with the 2.5g processor, 16gb of ram and upgraded graphics for $2299.

Would this be a mistake? Or should i just wait even longer? (2008 macbook user here)
I have this laptop. I could sell it to you for a good chunk less than $2300. I bought it in January and it looks 100% brand new and has a great case. I also have Apple Care with it and it lasts until January 2019.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Heads up, for those that were going to save a few dollars by upgrading the storage and gpu on the entry 15", and just miss out on the 100mhz COU difference, be aware that the 2.7ghz CPU has 2 additional megs of L2 cache over the 2.6.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
The startup chime is gone, but the computer also turns itself on automatically when you open the lid. (I remember when my Google Cr-48 did this back in 2010) And like the MacBook and the iPhone/iPad, it also makes a sound when you plug it in.

I miss Happy Mac.

Apple has removed everything that makes a Mac a Mac and is turning it into an iPhone.
 

jts

...hate me...
Do these "tech" journalists even know what's up? USB-C, in it's current state is a clusterfuck. I'll explain why:

Immediately when the organization behind USB introduced the type-c connector and 3.1, there was confusion. The confusion was in the fact that it was unclear if only USB 3.1 could have the reversable type-c connector, and also in that it was unclear what the capabilities of the connector were. What added even more to the confusion is that USB 3.1 gradually swallowed USB 3.0, and the distinction between 3.0 and 3.1 got even more unclear. The former 3.0 standard became USB 3.1 gen 1, and the former 3.1 standard became USB 3.1 gen 2, giving us the following standards:

Version - Speed - coding - connectors
USB 2.0 - up to 480mbit/s - 8/10bit - type a, b, mini, micro, c
USB 3.1 gen 1 - up to 5Gbit/s - 8/10 bit - type a, b, mini, micro, c
USB 3.1 gen 1 - up tp 10Gbit/s - 128/130bit - type a, b, mini, micro, c

So the difference between 3.1 gen 1 and gen 2 (which manufacturers still call 3.0 and 3.1 because of the confusion it would cause) is the speed, coding and secutry in the way two devices communicate about speed, not the connector. The type-c connector can thus be used for even USB 2.0 ports.

Is that the only confusion? Hell no. There is also an option Power Delivery protocol (PD). If this is implemented, then the chaging capacity can be adjusted and varied according to the power need. Simultaneously with the introduction of USB 3.1 and the introduction of the type-c connecter, a new standard for charching got introduced: power delivery standard, having 5 levels, which prescribe different currents and voltages and have a maximum of 100W. The voltages are being negotiated by two connected devices, and the chip inside the cable must support this profile.

Revision 2 and 3 of the USB Power delivery specification, with voltages above 5V, require a type-c connector. Though a type-c connector, the client and host connumicate though a data channel. The type-c connector is not explusive to USB 3.1 gen 2, and neither is this PD standard. USB 2.0 and 3.0 (3.1 gen 1) can also use this PD standard, but the cable has to be PD-Aware, and the micro-connector can only support up to 60W.

A normal cable can deliver 5V, 25W, via the Batter Charging 1.2 profiles, but these are outside of the PD-spec..

To prevent damage to the host client, or when the cable isn't PD ware, the voltage will be optimized to something safe. The devices will then stay at 5B, 1.5A, good for 7.5W.

What does this all lead to? Buying aftermarket cables is risky. Especially if you want to buy a Type A to C cable, it can destroy your device due to incorrect power draw.

The third revision tot he PD-protocol is published, the difference being that it added authentication, to prevent this damage. But as it stands, it's quite risky to jump over to USB-C ports only, as it gives the impression that it's the all-in one port and that any USB-C cable supports everything.
Creating a one-connector standard that can be used to plug a metric ton of different I/O standards was never meant to be simple or easy.

All that information doesn’t negate anything that tweet says, or the advantages of the universal connector. Stuff mostly will still “just work” because there are a lot of failsafes in place, and the whole thing will fall back to the minimum it can support under the conditions, even if it is for example USB 2.0. Sure, people will need to be educated on optimisation because they are used to the simplicity of “if it fits here, it’s the adequate cable” but in this day and age that’s less and less of a worry, many people plug into their laptops barely anything else than the charger, a USB stick and eventually a mouse sometimes, and there will still be a big advantage in the connector being the same for everything instead of each of there being different connectors with specific use-cases.

This is not something that will magically get “fixed” going forward short of all the very possible protocols (HDMI, USB, Thunderbolt, DIsplayPort, power standards, etc) get merged into one which is unrealistic and unfeasible, so unless you’re suggesting that Microsoft et all backpedal on the USB-C plan, I don’t see what’s wrong with the tweet at all. There may be an issue with the message that the manufacturers need to pass to the public, but not with the port.
 

Fliesen

Member
I'll miss that sound, but I can see the reasoning: It's 2016. Your computer is "always on".

The only time I hear that sound these days is when I apply a software update, or have to reboot because something crashed.

i agree with this. With high capacitiy batteries and insignificant power draw in closed mode, you mostly only hear the chime when people had to force shutdown and reboot their mac because it got unresponsive :p
 
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