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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK

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Alur

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dunno how good Leoric is yet but he sure looks very coooooool.

He does. He was pretty fun when I finally gave him a go. Got lucky and got in a no healer game and he's a beast for that in every way.

It's not my fault the $ skins shit on the master skins. Also I only have Valla and Stiches viable for master skins anyway, with the closest being Li Li and I dont like any of those 3 masters (Valla is ok but I want the van helsing one)

Ironically, Zera master looks amazing ;_;

Zeratul master is one of the better ones IMO, along with Nazeebo's. I still love King Stitches though it's a useless thing to have in his current state IMO. They are definitely stepping up their purchasable skin game over time though from where it was back in Alpha. A lot of masters are eclipsed now.
 
So far every Leoric I've encountered has been played like a Murky.

Also people don't respect that ghost or what it represents. I've had a few players mad at me cos I didn't dive a few things but they don't seem to pay attention to the Leoric ghost that's dry humping me and about to respawn a hero.
 

Gotchaye

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I haven't been that impressed with the Leorics I've seen, aside from Entomb. His death thing is really neat, but it seems like it's mostly useful for only a couple fights relatively early in the game when you can actually die and then show up again while the fight is still going on. It's really nice for if you get killed at level 1, since you lose basically no experience in lane, and at level 7 or 10 you can maybe swing team fights if you get targeted first, but he doesn't seem like much of a presence late-game. Entomb actually has a similar issue insofar as Bolt of the Storm makes it a lot less useful, but for a long time it's fantastic for trapping people.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Zeratul master is one of the better ones IMO, along with Nazeebo's. I still love King Stitches though it's a useless thing to have in his current state IMO. They are definitely stepping up their purchasable skin game over time though from where it was back in Alpha. A lot of masters are eclipsed now.

Yup Zeebo one is great especially since his $ ones are trash. My Zeebo is 8 tho as usual (nor do I have 10k gold anyway after buying butcher).
 

aka_bueno

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Went 5-0 in QM today, last 4 as Leoric. I really like him. I dunno what it was today, a lot of people were clueless or sucky but I don't mind the wins!

Leoric is cool tho, each match I was like 15-2. The last match I was 22-0. I never lead in damage, but often in tanking and XP or siege. He has some very good sustain later on and his E I'm finding to be way better an escape or catch up than I thought it would be. His ability to clear waves of creeps with his Q is awesome too. Also love being annoying after death slowing enemies down. Overall, I'm really loving this guy so far.

Enemy Leorics I saw today were baaaaad tho, like each one dying like 6+ times and just sucking overall.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
You guys are describing most warrioes and butchers (I assume because they think fat=warrior) I see in QM. The amount of 1 v 3s is astounding
 

Ketch

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so far i like skeleton king. Don't think he's gonna be top tier though due to his very limited CC. Entomb is okay, but it's really situational... played two games with tomb and two games with black march, and I actually ended up liking march better just for the level 20 upgrade. It does a considerable amount of damage if people do don't run out of it's range immediately... really good for fighting on top of objectives.

I need to play with tomb more, and I think it will be much better in more coordinated games. But right now, just from solo q, i think it's hard to get it off in a way that my teammates could follow up with. maybe I just had an abundance of melee dps on my teams or I just suck.

Otherwise I really like the regen master at one, I think on shorter maps it's better to go block. mana back on Q at one seems useless because the CD is long enough anyway that you're not really running out of mana.

at 4 I think hardened bones is pretty mandatory. hardened bones makes wraith walk a really good escape instead of just a gap closer. It's also doubles as a really good way to tank damage for your team. Walk in Q, maybe W, and then when you get focused wraith walk and take 25% less damage. You don't even have to move anywhere, you're just tanking damage. edit: I think this should probably let you get super aggressive aswell and go after back liners (as long as your team backs you up)

I tried all of the lvl 7 talents except the increased wraith walk duration.... they all seems pretty good. The first aid is nice, but not so good that it's mandatory. The Q range or extra slow are also just as nice and combo well with the lvl 16 double Q talent. I give range the nod over the extra slow though because it has more utility overall due to slowing more enemies and clearing entire creep waves.

I think the level 13 talents are mediocre. The only ones I tried at were draining momentum and spell shield. I'm not a fan of burning rage to begin with (does it work in ghost form?) I wanted to try the other W talent, but it just seemed really situational, really only good for fightng heroes that aren't gonna run away, and everyone is just gonna run away so... I don't know, but drain momentum was pretty good.

at 16 I really like the double Q. it's just really versatile. Good for fighting, good for clearing waves and mercing. synergizes well with the other Q talents and is great for making sure you stay in range for the W. The other talent I tried here was consume vitality, but it was underwhelming.

Then finally at 20 I tried everything but hardened shield. The lvl 20 entomb upgrade seemed kind of meh, but probably because I didn't really get any good entombs off. The lvl 20 march upgrade though was pretty devestating on one cursed hollow map when I hit like 4 people with it and got all those sweet life drains going. Spectral leech was pretty meh, maybe it would be better vs high hp heroes, but it didn't really feel impactful.

overall, after like 4 games, I like him. But he's definetly not a bruiser, and his tankyness/utility probably puts him tier 2 at best. maybe same level as an ETC, slightly better then diablo. He's a sick team up with abathur. and I could see him doing really really well on certain maps or with specific team set ups.

like cursed hallow, battleground, sky temple. dragon shire probably. and I want to try a super annoying never die comp with like leoric, uther, tassadar, abathur and like a nova/zera/ or murky?.

edit: basically agree with everything turdburger is saying except I think leoric is better at tanking damage then you're giving him credit for. life drain from W and the +25% damage resistance at 4 and the first aid at 7 is pretty good. His biggest problem is lack of CC. and entomb has potential.

edit2: here's the best game I had with him
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and here's the build I used during it: https://tempostorm.com/heroes-of-the-storm/talent-calculator/leoric#KpOL I tried some new talents here, I think the choices at 1,4,7,10, and 20 are good picks, but I think i'd still rather have drain momentum at 13 and renewed swing at 16.

also, I really like this hero, much more so then johanna.
 

ZenaxPure

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Enemy Leorics I saw today were baaaaad tho, like each one dying like 6+ times and just sucking overall.

Pfft, 6? I had a game where our Leoric died literally 19 times and then when we somehow scraped together the win at the end he said in a completely serious way that it was all on him and he carried us and we were bad.

Pretty much every Leoric me and my friends had on our team today was playing him like he was Murky or something, was so terrible. Thankfully one of my friends just bought him and saved us from the bad Leorics.
 
Most Leorics I see die like 3-4 times as much as their teammates. Almost every game I've had today had a Leoric on each team and they just die nonstop.
 
I think any map that's short, 22 mins average say, makes farming talents like Regen Master, Seasoned Marksman, Conjurers Pursuit and more hero specific ones (Naz, Leoric, Kael, etc) poor level 1 talent picks. The game isn't going to go on long enough for those talents to ultimately pay off and you lose the advantage of the other picks would've afforded you in that shorter time frame.

Most Leorics I see die like 3-4 times as much as their teammates. Almost every game I've had today had a Leoric on each team and they just die nonstop.

I think it depends on your mmr, most Leorics I've played with and against have been fairly cautious, with one exception.
 

Maximus.

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I hate team members who give up right away and just make things worse. Like why even play this game if yo aren't going to try when things get a little tough? Fucking babies.
 

zoukka

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I think any map that's short, 22 mins average say, makes farming talents like Regen Master, Seasoned Marksman, Conjurers Pursuit and more hero specific ones (Naz, Leoric, Kael, etc) poor level 1 talent picks.

It's more about the map layout. In some maps you can farm the globes from 2-3 lanes easily so the pick is solid in those maps. Especially if there's nothing crucial you would be missing in lvl1 talents.
 

Rizzi

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I'm not sure who I want to buy with my gold.
I bought the starter pack thing in beta and Sgt Hammer for some reason, but I can't decide who's next.
 

Rizzi

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Everybody I've played so far has been fun though!
Except for Sgt. Hammer. Seriously, I hate her slow ass and I don't know why I ever bought her. D:
 
Everybody I've played so far has been fun though!
Except for Sgt. Hammer. Seriously, I hate her slow ass and I don't know why I ever bought her. D:

Have you levelled all the free rotation to 5? I find this the best way to figure out who to buy. Those who you end up missing when they are gone are the ones you really liked enough to buy :)
 

Rizzi

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Have you levelled all the free rotation to 5? I find this the best way to figure out who to buy. Those who you end up missing when they are gone are the ones you really liked enough to buy :)

Not yet. I usually just pick the random/whatever the team needs so I can find a match faster.
 

Xater

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So I took a break formt he game and just checked the C9 tier list. Jesus they nerfed the shit out of Birghtwing huh?
 
After a few matches as Arthas. I dont like playing him, cant put my finger on why exactly. I like warrior in general, but i dont know maybe i need to play him in my premade to truly see.

For the moment i will stick with joana or muradin.

Leoric seems to be fun
 

Rizzi

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After a few matches as Arthas. I dont like playing him, cant put my finger on why exactly. I like warrior in general, but i dont know maybe i need to play him in my premade to truly see.

For the moment i will stick with joana or muradin.

Leoric seems to be fun

I came in here to post how much fun I'm having with Arthas. :p
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Good morning, time for yet another crazy day of Heroes! This time, with my favorite swiper, Leoric!
 

zoukka

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Leorics resurrection ability seems super op. Like the single most op ability in the game? (doesn't mean the hero as a whole necessarily is)
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Yeah it's undoubtedly a really good trait (there are lots of bad ones out there), but I don't think it's a meta changer, or OP in a way.
 

Xater

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Leoric looks fun. I'm gonna wait how he checks shakes out in the meta. I would like to have another Warrior I can enjoy playing.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Saved enough gold for thrall, fuuuuuuuuuuuck he's good
Agreed, we seem to be the minority that thinks that way though :p Not only was I having a blast playing as Thrall, he also seemed to wreck every single 1v1 fight that I encountered (sometimes even 1v2).
 
Agreed, we seem to be the minority that thinks that way though :p Not only was I having a blast playing as Thrall, he also seemed to wreck every single 1v1 fight that I encountered (sometimes even 1v2).

I've been playing him like butcher and ambushing flanks during team fights. I average around 83k hero damage a fight.
 

Acinixys

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Leorics resurrection ability seems super op. Like the single most op ability in the game? (doesn't mean the hero as a whole necessarily is)

Dont complain. Dotas Leoric literally comes back to life after 3 seconds of dying (60 sec cooldown at max level), and slows your whole team by 80% for 4 seconds in a huge AOE

Plus he can buy an item that lets your team stay alive as wraiths for 5 seconds after they die, and they can use all their spells, items and abilities.
 
Dont complain. Dotas Leoric literally comes back to life after 3 seconds of dying (60 sec cooldown at max level), and slows your whole team by 80% for 4 seconds in a huge AOE

Plus he can buy an item that lets your team stay alive as wraiths for 5 seconds after they die, and they can use all their spells, items and abilities.

With leoric, dying is half the battle


LE OR IC
 

Maledict

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Agreed, we seem to be the minority that thinks that way though :p Not only was I having a blast playing as Thrall, he also seemed to wreck every single 1v1 fight that I encountered (sometimes even 1v2).

In terms of duelling, there's only a couple of heroes that can beat Thrall if he can close on them - Lili being the first one that springs to mind. Unfortunately he's too fragile to go in in team fights in the same way, and very vulnerable to cc because that's how he survives.

Also, the Butcher occupies a very similar role now and does it a lot better.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
0-4 so far with Leoric! Still enjoying it for some reason.

We'll see how long this streak goes until I finally burst blood vessels.
 

TxdoHawk

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Dont complain. Dotas Leoric literally comes back to life after 3 seconds of dying (60 sec cooldown at max level), and slows your whole team by 80% for 4 seconds in a huge AOE

Plus he can buy an item that lets your team stay alive as wraiths for 5 seconds after they die, and they can use all their spells, items and abilities.

To be fair though:

- His resurrect costs mana in DOTA and you'll just die if you don't have enough, plus he's very mana constrained.

- He needs a decent chunk of items before he really gets ludicrous.

HoTS Leoric is interesting because as others have mentioned, his trait is extremely useful early on and gets worse as the game goes on and death timers lengthen. I wouldn't be shocked to see very aggressive early play wind up being a hallmark of a good Leoric.

As for the people needlessly rushing into fights they can't win and dying repeatedly...I think that's just excited noobs being excited noobs. Death timers very quickly get to the point where hearthing back to heal and running back is still preferable to dying, even with very efficient cheating (although I bet someone is going to look at the theoretical math for this soon and it'll be fascinating.)
 
The thing I dig w/ Leoric is he rewards map awareness in a totally new way if you've specced out to gain life from Minion deaths and have powered up your skeletal swing a bit.

In essence, packs of enemy minions become mobile healing fountains, as in the later game one good skeletal swing will clear a whole wave and get you a big chunk of your lifebar back. So, if you play smart, you basically never need to go back to base to heal up, you just need to find the nearest pack of creeps.

To me, he almost plays more like a specialist than a warrior.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
sickest fucking come back, back and forth game with leoric so far

They eventually choked while our core was at like 11% and we won.

G FUCKING G
 

Valus

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I played around 10 games with Leoric so far. Haven't tried all his talents but so far here's the ones I like the most:

1: W range increase. What's great about it is that it also affects them when they're running away, as they have to get 20% farther to break it. I had some fun casting W back on Leoric's who casted it on me, walking out of range of theirs while maintaining mine on them.

4: E Cooldown shortened if you don't take damage during it. I really like this one so far because it allows you to essentially E into a fight, mess with fools, and E out, or E again to chase further if the fight goes well. 4 second cooldown vs 14 seconds is amazing and fun.

7: Q slow increased. 60% slow for 2.5 seconds is really debilitating, and synergizes so well with AoE blasts from Jaina/Kael/Neeb

10: March of the King. The tomb one is only good if you have a coordinated group for wombos. Otherwise March has ludicrous sustain and fight turning potential (if timed right).

13: W does 10% more damage when finishing. Seriously this move hurts.

16: W cooldown decreased. Not only does it help your sustain more than the Q heal (imo), but it does so much damage that I like having it up as much as possible.

20: March upgrade. Having W cast on all nearby heroes is lolol worthy. Too bad it doesn't apply the talent upgrades, that would be so brutal.

How I usually initiate team fights: E in, W the tank, Q the squishies, R as they start to fall back. E again to finish them off a straggler with W again, or E to get away if shit went south. 60% of the time, it works every time.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
0-1 on my first Leoric game. He seems fun, but our team comp was awful (vikings, leoric, zera, lili and tass, we had no dps heh) and I died... alot. So did the other Leoric, not sure if thats going to be a "thing" with the character. I wasnt even YOLOing 1v3, I just kept getting focused like a madman and there was no other initiator anyway in our comp

need to fuck around with talents
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
What the hell, these games are insane. Just after that game (above), I had an insane 32 min game. Geez.
 
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