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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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Kael'Thas or Jaina. Sylv lost a good bit of her damage output so she's better at siege damage than hero damage for now.
Turdburger
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Her overall damage output is more or less the same she just lost her burst with Envenom and BFB nerf
I guess it's nice that she can't just instagib people with Arrow BFB Envenom but they nerf those abilities yet leave the fucking Snowman in the game the way it is. Blizzard... FailFish
whoops...you beat me. lol
I pretty agree with this.
Nonetheless she can still choose between pushing against the heroes or be more siege oriented.
Turdburger
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I'd buy Jaina now and have your fun with her before she gets wrecked in the upcoming patch.
The snowman is literally the most imbalanced ultimate that the game has seen since the initial iteration of Raynor's Hyperion or the Divine Storm that stunned for 2 seconds and had a 45 sec cd. Not sure which of the 3 is the worst, but it's bad.
I hope they destroy Jaina so hard that she's unplayable for the next year. Like, 40% winrate levels of bad.
Turdburger
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yeah people would have eventually realized she was a really strong hero even if they had just let her crit bosses and buildings without buffing her damage across the board
35% slow has been there the whole time, Numbing Blast has been there the whole time, and the snowman has been the same the whole time so people would have eventually figured out she was broken
Turdburger
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Asia has always been ahead in terms of meta understanding. They were way ahead on Zeratul; he was top banrate on Asia long before Vortex whipped him out in ESL S2 playoffs and turned him into permaban on NA/EU as well.
I also think they're ahead of the West with how they handle the emergence of poke heroes this patch. I think they're onto something with Valla over Kael'Thas. Arrow build has ridiculous burst and she can self-sustain through poke with it. And in fights if a tank tries to engage or AFK on her she just sustains through it and puts a fuckload of damage onto them.
I also really like their Tyrael usage because his W can help you sustain through poke and Tyrael played right means you'll get the engagement your team wants. I don't understand why the western meta isn't first picking Valla and going with Tyrael over Muradin when teams are obsessed with picking shit like Kael and now Nazeebo.
I think Arthas's popularity is because he combos so well with Jaina, is a counter to Zagara creep and because the ranged assassin pool is so limited. Arthas does decent damage himself and if he lands a good W, your Jaina is going to be doing way more damage. So with his own damage and boosting his team's damage he essentially provides the damage of a solid ranged assassin.
Hotfix notes:
Fixed an issue that could allow Zeratul to travel much farther than intended while using Shadow Assault.
Leorics Drain Hope will no longer deal more damage than intended to player-controlled Dragon Knights or Garden Terrors after learning the Crushing Hope Talent.
Fixed an issue that could allow Zeratul to travel much farther than intended while using Shadow Assault.
Leorics Drain Hope will no longer deal more damage than intended to player-controlled Dragon Knights or Garden Terrors after learning the Crushing Hope Talent.
What is Valla's Arrow build? I like her but get bored with the auto attack build sometimes.
Turdburger
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Yeah that with the new BFB makes her almost impossible to engage on cause she will just Arrow/vault/arrow/BFB and find herself at full health again.
Valla's ability to restore her own health with that build also makes her a great pairing with Uther allowing you to safely pick Uther vs. Kael'Thas/Nazeebo poke and not feel like you're fucking yourself. Tyrael's W is also a part of this.
Valla's 13 tier also gives you the option to go anti-tank or anti-caster depending on what comp the other team has.
I think she's going to vault back (teehee) to first pick status in the west pretty soon. If I'm a drafter right now I let the other team take Kaelthas early and prioritize Jaina/Valla/Uther/Tyrael, in that order.
That's pretty much the meta in Asia at the moment. Kael'thas has been passed up even by heroes like Falstad on maps where mobility matters and Tychus against teams with hard-engaging melee assassins.
BreezyLimbo
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Nova is pretty fun and annoying.
late game garden terrors are so vicious. so much damage with that move speed from E. two shot a KT and then two shot a valla.
but does he still do 25% of their HP?
but does he still do 25% of their HP?
To me she's contextually strong, only falstad was buffed along with her while everything else that was ranged dmg was getting nerfed. I think a good change would be to remove chill on impact for her ult, blink r e is kind of ludicrous, maybe the same for ice block.
A slow nerf too maybe on her lvl 1, damagewise i think shes ok w/ the type of heals that are popular atm
Woops started this post then forgot about it, talking about jaina
A slow nerf too maybe on her lvl 1, damagewise i think shes ok w/ the type of heals that are popular atm
Woops started this post then forgot about it, talking about jaina
thekillermuffin
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Has anyone played on Windows 10 yet? Knowing that I'll likely be upgrading tomorrow, I'm curious how HotS performs.
TurboLibre
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Slapped a Kael'thas to death as Abathur. Has to be my proudest achievement.
I totally agree with the asia meta> west meta too, what they do makes a lot more sense to me, and leoric coming out should shift it even harder towards multiple warriors in a game imo
A lot of the power of the na meta seems kind of rooted in taking advantage of misplayd and positioning errors, in the ts vs. zev game on spider map last night i feel like zev outdrafted and had a better strategy than ts but just outplayed themselves over and over
A lot of the power of the na meta seems kind of rooted in taking advantage of misplayd and positioning errors, in the ts vs. zev game on spider map last night i feel like zev outdrafted and had a better strategy than ts but just outplayed themselves over and over
Awww, I loved watching their HP crumble to dust. Oh well, honestly I was expecting them to make it so you couldn't target them at all with it anymore, so I'll take what I can get. Leoric destroys dragon knights and garden terrors.
yea. spoilers:
that last game was such a throw too. solo death by overextension on butcher back to back to seal their loss. equinox cost them that game for sure. so disappointing.
I mean it's pretty similar to sonya or tyreal. except it feels like leoric can get a lot more tanky. either way seige damage is like the only thing he's got going for him besides his trait. But yea he's pretty good for split pushing.
I wonder if 2arc will run him anyway since they love tyreal so much.
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah, he was such a good killer with his drain hope on DKs and terrors.
Turdburger
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Since you guys are talking about the THI... coL forfeited their match against PPST to go play in the HeroesHype tournament instead (where there was much less competition).
Here's what PPST had to say on twitter about coL's forfeit:
Lmfao
Here's what PPST had to say on twitter about coL's forfeit:
Lmfao
Turdburger
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yeah I don't think TS understood this meta as well as they thought they did. I do think that losing a game to 2Arc and being pushed to the edge by Zev will motivate them to figure it out though
Turdburger
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no english commentary, but there are VODs of both of the Asian pro leagues on Youtube
the top 2 Korean teams (team snake and team DK) look slightly ahead of the top chinese team (estar) at the moment
oreoman from Team Snake has an unbelievable Kerrigan. Check out Snake vs DK map #2 on Tomb from the GHL playoffs... nuts
Oh when i say warrior i mean tank, i dont really count sonya as a warrior, i was thinking more along the lines of early access to it like johanna. Warriors get some through burning rage, but johanna and leoric are kind of unique in their clear and the former is one of the best primary tanks and latter seems poised to take the spot of best secondary tank.
Tyreal has always been a utility tank, ive never thought of his damage as anything special, but imposing will against aoe is still like...how is that a thing lol.
Tyreal has always been a utility tank, ive never thought of his damage as anything special, but imposing will against aoe is still like...how is that a thing lol.
hmm. where do you think tyreal fits? To me, leoric seems like a less damage more tank version of a tyreal. But yea I think leoric fits in that 3rd "utility" role after you've got tank healer and 2 dps.... even though he doesn't really have much actual utility beyond seige damage.
Hero League with Johanna, good game, midway through our Butcher goes "afk" and just goes afk for the rest of the game >_>
I mean I get emergencies but at least say sorry or something. Was touch and go there for a few minutes while we were 4v5 but then he left the game and the bot was enough for us to win it. Still man, why cant I just get a normal game with normal people for once lol
Also, I really love Murky, might start running him in HL, but I fear people will get pissed
I mean I get emergencies but at least say sorry or something. Was touch and go there for a few minutes while we were 4v5 but then he left the game and the bot was enough for us to win it. Still man, why cant I just get a normal game with normal people for once lol
Also, I really love Murky, might start running him in HL, but I fear people will get pissed
BreezyLimbo
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Oh Leoric no doubt outdamages Tyrael. Just his W makes him a huge tank buster, agianst tanks like Muradin or Diablo who rely on having alot of health. his Q is amazing for slowing/aoe damage.
There is one guy who does english commentary. He's the primary reason I even know about MVP Black: http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroessea
Robottiimu2000
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hows old Tyrael doing these days anyway? I really enjoyed the few games I played with him months ago when I got him to lvl 7 (or 8 not sure)
Dam ketch we're in sync
To expand on leoric vs. tyreal tho:
I mean first and foremost i dont own leoric, im just basing it off games ive seen, ppl i know that play him, and whats on paper
If i were to generalize id say just categorize leoric as more bruiserlike and tyreal as more supportlike, but i mean thats pretty evident just from their kits.
Leoric, like tyreal, seems really mobile with his ghost thing and his unstoppable ult, meaning he can get in on the backline or escape, the ability to position is really important for warriors. His damage is not paricularly high against low hp heroes, but w/ the nerf of b4b his grab thing is kind of singular atm. His cc is comparatively weak but synergizes with his kit really well.
If i were to oversimplify id put the secondary tanks like this: anub for cc chaining, leoric for disruption and anti-tank, tyreal for having utility options (he can expose the backline without going in too, but i guess thats dependent on what heroes are picked), and arthas for cc chaining, great ganking, substantial burst on squishies.
But yeah out of all of these only 1 has got dat really good waveclear.
I dont know, each hero has map specific differences, but id love the idea of multiple warriors to take hold in na. Like after you get past the idea that muradin and johanna are the best in general you can really tease out the potential of the other warrior kits and have the criteria for good warrior go beyond how tanky they are, how they can peel, how they can cc, because you are only ever going to have a couple of warriors who are the best at that.
To expand on leoric vs. tyreal tho:
I mean first and foremost i dont own leoric, im just basing it off games ive seen, ppl i know that play him, and whats on paper
If i were to generalize id say just categorize leoric as more bruiserlike and tyreal as more supportlike, but i mean thats pretty evident just from their kits.
Leoric, like tyreal, seems really mobile with his ghost thing and his unstoppable ult, meaning he can get in on the backline or escape, the ability to position is really important for warriors. His damage is not paricularly high against low hp heroes, but w/ the nerf of b4b his grab thing is kind of singular atm. His cc is comparatively weak but synergizes with his kit really well.
If i were to oversimplify id put the secondary tanks like this: anub for cc chaining, leoric for disruption and anti-tank, tyreal for having utility options (he can expose the backline without going in too, but i guess thats dependent on what heroes are picked), and arthas for cc chaining, great ganking, substantial burst on squishies.
But yeah out of all of these only 1 has got dat really good waveclear.
I dont know, each hero has map specific differences, but id love the idea of multiple warriors to take hold in na. Like after you get past the idea that muradin and johanna are the best in general you can really tease out the potential of the other warrior kits and have the criteria for good warrior go beyond how tanky they are, how they can peel, how they can cc, because you are only ever going to have a couple of warriors who are the best at that.
He hasn't changed?
Works well in 2 tank comps, not so great at solo tanking.
I havent kept up with his
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His split push is similar to Chens aswell, but he's got a much better lanning phase. I solo'd against a malf+nazeebo top lane dk shrine and came out ahead.
The future could be pretty interesting with all these "secondary" tanks around. Maybe we'll see a resurgence of Diablo, stitches, and etc.
@brian I think what you're talking about towards the end comes from just having more heroes in the pool overall. Personally I can't wait until there's more 2ndary/utility supports like Tyrande and Tassadar. I feel like the more heroes we get the more "roles" become meaningless.
im gonna have to buy that mecha tassadar arent I? even if im annoyed its not 50% >_>
in the off chance the switch him to specialist or retool him to actual support or something, Ill look back and be pissed I didnt get the skin
in the off chance the switch him to specialist or retool him to actual support or something, Ill look back and be pissed I didnt get the skin
I just smacked her around a bit in a match.
Both her and Zag's were pretty much gunning at me by the end.
Rewatching the VOD of last night's Goon Squad vs. Cognitive Gaming in the Town Hall Invitational.
Here's a moment from the game 3 draft: http://www.twitch.tv/zoiatv/v/8768458?t=2h12m38s
Here's a moment from the game 3 draft: http://www.twitch.tv/zoiatv/v/8768458?t=2h12m38s
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