Orochinagis
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Guess that would be troublesome for some heroes like Tass, Tyrande or Monk (Abathur supp lol)
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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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Guess that would be troublesome for some heroes like Tass, Tyrande or Monk (Abathur supp lol)
Why would it be troublesome for monk? Or really anyone now that I think about it. It'd be the opposite, it's solve the issue with Tass and Tyrande being queued as solo support.
Yeah this is absolutely something i want + bans
RumblingRosco
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Unranked solo queue-only? I'd seriously have so much fun. Abathur 24/7 and it would be glorious.
Orochinagis
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Cuz Monk could go full dps but entered as the team support
But that would be more player behaviour like those nasty Nidale supports in LoL
Technically, so can Rehgar. That problem is seated firmly between chair and monitor and not through any flaw in design on the Monk's part.
I see you edited and reached the same conclusion.
I don't see why that's a monk issue though. Both Lili and Malf can go full DPS and do more actual DPS with their builds. I see DPS Lili regularly. Monk DPS is pretty damn subpar.
Like you said that's a player issue and you already have that from time to time in QM. Won't be any more worse in a draft mode IMO.
Orochinagis
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Yep, at least we wont see a lack of DPS or Healers in draft mode or seeing three warriors with nova and zeraul.
That would be troublesome, Blizzard could implement a pre lobby for that then match out with another team in Draft
I have no doubt you'd see that, but at least you'd have a person to bitch at instead of an algorithm.
LOL, probably right.
I think that just like now you'll see it more in the lower tiers and less as you go up. Draft mode would be harrowing in Bronze/Silver/Gold, I'd imagine.
Precisely.
The only question, if there was an unranked draft mode, would be regarding the rules to enter. Hero League requires 10 heroes because you need to actually own the heroes (not on free rotation only) and doesn't allow mirror matches (same hero on both sides).
With this theoretical mode, being a more casual mode than HL, you'd think they'd want the requirements to be lower. So, either require ownership of only 5 and allow mirror matches, or allow heroes that you don't own that are on free rotation and also allow mirror matches.
Orochinagis
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Mirror matches and free rotation heroes shoud be allowed
Yeah, I have a hard time coming up with a reason for unranked draft mode over just playing HL. I know the thought of it being ranked puts off people from playing it, I have that problem myself, but there'd be no difference between unranked and ranked apart from a little number to put on your portrait.
I think it's far more meaningful now. I definitely wouldn't call it meaningless. It's not League's system meaningful or even Hearthstone's system meaningful at the top and bottom, but in the middle it definitely seems better. It's much harder to rank up than it was previously judging by the reports we've heard plus the streams of other players we can see.
When ranked first came out rank 1 was achieved by multiple folks before midnight that night. I still haven't seen a rank 1. I've seen two rank 2's (one who immediately dropped back to 3 and still hasn't gotten back to 2), and a whole lot of rank 5-15 which feels a lot more accurate.
The difference would be (for those who don't do ranked or can't yet or play with friends who are not as skilled, etc) that you can get a real comp without being at the mercy of RNG and getting that solo Tassadar support vs Malf and Rehgar, or what have you. Unranked drafting exists in other MOBA games along with regular ranked. It's a common thing.
super-famicom
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Nah man, she is good.
For me itd be nice to just be put into my unranked mmr, since i have to grind lower level games right now to be put in the same mmr, but yeah there wouldbe very little difference besides the try really hard mentality which is pretty meaningful by itself
Having that option is pretty huge when the only casual option involves picking a hero before you queue
The only thing that matters is how rank correlates to MMR.
I haven't looked into it yet, but the the questions I have are:
Are players of similar MMR being placed at similar ranks?
Is it still possible for players with vastly different MMR to be the same rank?
Is it still possible to drastically increase rank without drastically increasing MMR?
In the old system there were 2500 players with the same rank as 3500 players, and I personally went from rank 38 to 15 while only going up like 300 points on hotdogs
I haven't looked into it yet, but the the questions I have are:
Are players of similar MMR being placed at similar ranks?
Is it still possible for players with vastly different MMR to be the same rank?
Is it still possible to drastically increase rank without drastically increasing MMR?
In the old system there were 2500 players with the same rank as 3500 players, and I personally went from rank 38 to 15 while only going up like 300 points on hotdogs
the one true constant after the patch is this
love
life
Fuck all the other heroes
Murky is love
Murky is life
jaundicejuice
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I don't like Murky anymore. It's just swung from one extreme to the other. Alpha siege damage monster to annoying single target delete. There's no middle ground.
I think this is a Milly's group composition rules problem more than me not wanting to play Murky.
He's still #1 with a bullet.
RumblingRosco
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Are the mods really going to let such an offensive post go unpunished?
super-famicom
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We demand retribution!
Reddit Q/A starting. Doubt they'll address HL issues (I put in a question/rant and I've seen a couple more on it), but two of the top-voted comments involve the "Stitches, ETC, Diablo....WTF" issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3hq3dl/hello_rhereosofthestorm_were_back_with_a_qa/
jaundicejuice
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I don't know if it's a problem of hero design, the players gravitating to a "right/correct" build or some combination of the two but it's not a problem that's unique to Murky. I imagine Blizzard are much happier with single target delete Murky because that one is at least usually with its team whereas split-push Alpha siege damage monster Murky was the source of so many complaints, fighting and toxicity from teammates.
With some heroes it feels like there is a best case scenario build and some alternative builds based on what you have to deal with in a match, whereas others seem to only have one viable build period.
With some heroes it feels like there is a best case scenario build and some alternative builds based on what you have to deal with in a match, whereas others seem to only have one viable build period.
Like you said - it's both.
Every game I have played in the last 5-10 years has this same MO. That runs the gamut from WoW to Splatoon to Heroes of the Storm. Some heroes/classes/what have you have multiple options for how to play. Some have only one option. Regardless, the most ideal option for most scenarios is found and it proliferates until it's spread from the top end of players to the bottom end.
No matter what Blizzard does with talents we will always have the "cookie cutter" or ideal builds. They are ideal for a reason - they give you the most bang for your buck. The heroes who have entirely no other option but that build, though, I agree they should be fixed. At least with the majority of the heroes released in 2015 there has been the illusion of diversity, if not actual diversity in talent choice.
just had HUGE mana issues with Khara in this game (did win tho), I was using E alot which uses alot of mana. gonna try the next game with Insight, see how it affects healing
also running with seven sided because I cant get the fucking timing on stasis to save my life (well to save my buddies lives lol). either its too late or too soon
also running with seven sided because I cant get the fucking timing on stasis to save my life (well to save my buddies lives lol). either its too late or too soon
just had HUGE mana issues with Khara in this game (did win tho), I was using E alot which uses alot of mana. gonna try the next game with Insight, see how it affects healing
also running with seven sided because I cant get the fucking timing on stasis to save my life (well to save my buddies lives lol). either its too late or too soon
Insight will keep your mana, but you'd be surprised at how much healing Transcendence gives. It's easily the best of the 3 and not just for healing others. Makes you viable laning and able to take mercs (though it takes a bit as your damage is low).
On the Divine Palm front, I have seen this suggested in a few places from regular scrubs like us and the "pros". I manage to get 2 or 3 to go off a game, but I also waste 2 or 3 as well because the target backs out or they stop damaging or whatever. Definitely more complicated to use than Ancestral or Divine Shield.
just had HUGE mana issues with Khara in this game (did win tho), I was using E alot which uses alot of mana. gonna try the next game with Insight, see how it affects healing
also running with seven sided because I cant get the fucking timing on stasis to save my life (well to save my buddies lives lol). either its too late or too soon
It's a hard ultimate to use. The 20 talent helps but it shouldn't punish you so bad for getting the timing off. But I guess it is very strong .
just had HUGE mana issues with Khara in this game (did win tho), I was using E alot which uses alot of mana. gonna try the next game with Insight, see how it affects healing
also running with seven sided because I cant get the fucking timing on stasis to save my life (well to save my buddies lives lol). either its too late or too soon
monk + mal!
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