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Daniel to the rescue! Seems like it's Murky time, Yoshi. Have fun!
Oh cool. I figured that would have happened Tuesday. I didnt realize I threw away money like that LOL.
Well thats a nice surprise I guess.
Ghostmaster
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It's my highest map as well.What's going on with Sky Temple on Hero League for me?
For me in hero league it's Cursed Hollow. Have a steady 65% winrate on that map, after a lot of games.
I think it's because it's so big, and it still feels like the most 'strategic' of all the maps - there are always multiple options available, and understanding the flow and tempo of the map is really important. I'm one of those annoying people who pings the next target in a random game, and that seems to be paying off.
Bosses in particular are huge on that map, and people often don't get the timings right on the,. There's Nothing more fun than capping your boss, and then catching them at theirs, killing them and stealing it as well.
I think it's because it's so big, and it still feels like the most 'strategic' of all the maps - there are always multiple options available, and understanding the flow and tempo of the map is really important. I'm one of those annoying people who pings the next target in a random game, and that seems to be paying off.
Bosses in particular are huge on that map, and people often don't get the timings right on the,. There's Nothing more fun than capping your boss, and then catching them at theirs, killing them and stealing it as well.
I like cursed hallow but i feel like it's too easy to snowball bosses, i feel like sky temple has more depth for a big map and also asks for more specific lineups. both have stationary objectives, but it's a lot easier to give up a curse imo
Sky temple is a lot more flow charty in the beginning and cursed is more flow charty later on, it's cool that these maps kinda contrast each other
Sky temple is a lot more flow charty in the beginning and cursed is more flow charty later on, it's cool that these maps kinda contrast each other
This is more or less true. You are right on the cusp of top 5% of players based on what you have posted in this thread. IIRC, you posted you moved into Diamond a week and a half ago which would put you at the top ~9% of players in Quick Match even if you were the lowest person in the Diamond ladder.
That said, I don't think it can be quantified the way you imply (or a player's skill can be off of one match with them) with how many variables go into determining a good player even for just one match (competency with hero picked, competency of teammates, competency of opponents, opponents countering hero picked, hero picked countering opponents, etc etc etc).
You're supposed to be leveling Murky right now. You said 2-3 days after patch as soon as you finished Monk.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I'm on it! I mean, I didn't plan ahead and bought the two optional mounts for 40k gold so I need to get a bit of gold before I can even buy Murky! It's happening... soon!
Random Kerrigan observation: I've been suspecting that the heal on ravage at level 1 isn't worth it, just because I'm so low on mana all the time. So instead, I grabbed the talent that refunds your rake for every enemy hit, and I think I like it more because I'm able to lane clear better, execute more combos per fight, and I'm generating shields on it, which makes the healing loss seem like kind of a wash.
Since we were discussing Yoshi's top 5% comment, I decided to go back and check through HOTSlogs and recalculate where the brackets fall now that we are launched a-la kirblar did a while back in beta.
I doubt I'm the only one who finds where they fall on this list interesting, but if so you can ignore.
QUICK MATCH:
Master (requires 150 uploads): 1.1% of players (higher than 98.2% of players)
Diamond (requires 100 uploads): 9.7% of players (higher than 89.6% of players)
Platinum (requires 100 uploads): 12.75% of players (higher than 75.75% of players)
Gold (requires 50 uploads): 15.71% of players
Silver (requires 20 uploads): 21.73% of players
Bronze (requires 10 uploads): 40.40% of players
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Total players: 429,729 (99.3%)
HERO LEAGUE:
Master (requires 150 uploads): .008% of players (higher than 99.092% of players)
Diamond (requires 100 uploads): 6.9% of players (higher than 91.19% of players)
Platinum (requires 100 uploads): 10.65% of players (higher than 81.54% of players)
Gold (requires 50 uploads): 14.29% of players
Silver (requires 20 uploads): 22.4% of players
Bronze (requires 10 uploads): 44.86% of players
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Total players: 113,154 (99.1%)
The percentages for each bracket only added to ~99.3% for QM and ~99.1% in HL since I rounded and because I don't think they actually add to exactly 100% to begin with.
Also worth taking into account the amount of uploads required for each bracket as many players may not reach that upload threshold in both Quick Match or Hero League in one window (or even in any single mode) but may still slot in that bracket and not be accounted for.
Being Diamond and Platinum level now is more meaningful than what it was in the Alpha and Closed Beta. I can't remember the exact numbers, but it feels like Diamond was higher than about 75-80% of players then and it's more like 90% now. Same for Platinum also rising with the tide.
This makes sense since there are far more new players since that time than there were at any point before, so therefore more people in the lower brackets learning and working their way up.
I doubt I'm the only one who finds where they fall on this list interesting, but if so you can ignore.
QUICK MATCH:
Master (requires 150 uploads): 1.1% of players (higher than 98.2% of players)
Diamond (requires 100 uploads): 9.7% of players (higher than 89.6% of players)
Platinum (requires 100 uploads): 12.75% of players (higher than 75.75% of players)
Gold (requires 50 uploads): 15.71% of players
Silver (requires 20 uploads): 21.73% of players
Bronze (requires 10 uploads): 40.40% of players
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Total players: 429,729 (99.3%)
HERO LEAGUE:
Master (requires 150 uploads): .008% of players (higher than 99.092% of players)
Diamond (requires 100 uploads): 6.9% of players (higher than 91.19% of players)
Platinum (requires 100 uploads): 10.65% of players (higher than 81.54% of players)
Gold (requires 50 uploads): 14.29% of players
Silver (requires 20 uploads): 22.4% of players
Bronze (requires 10 uploads): 44.86% of players
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Total players: 113,154 (99.1%)
The percentages for each bracket only added to ~99.3% for QM and ~99.1% in HL since I rounded and because I don't think they actually add to exactly 100% to begin with.
Also worth taking into account the amount of uploads required for each bracket as many players may not reach that upload threshold in both Quick Match or Hero League in one window (or even in any single mode) but may still slot in that bracket and not be accounted for.
Being Diamond and Platinum level now is more meaningful than what it was in the Alpha and Closed Beta. I can't remember the exact numbers, but it feels like Diamond was higher than about 75-80% of players then and it's more like 90% now. Same for Platinum also rising with the tide.
This makes sense since there are far more new players since that time than there were at any point before, so therefore more people in the lower brackets learning and working their way up.
I love Sky Temple as well, and It hink it's my second best map. My only issue is Mule - it's simply unfair on that map because of the way the map mechanic works, and it turns what should be a close match into a very lop-sided one.
I'm glad they removed it from NAzeebo, and hope that Malfurion loses it next time as well. It should really only be on a very few specialist characters.
My issue with removing Mule is that now only 5 heroes have it : Malf, Abathur, GAzlowe, Tyrande and Tassadar. Malf is the only one of those who can fit into most teams, the others are all specialist picks that you need to draft around. When NAzeebo had it you could always just grab him or Malf and be happy.
I mean, I honestly just hate the talent - I think it's a really silly talent that sometimes does nothing and sometimes is so clearly wrong and broken it just shouldn't be around. Mule should be something reserved for specialist heroes with particular roles - Tassadar and Gazlowe makes sense (one is an extremely defensive character with several defensive talents, the other is the engineer character and it makes sense thematically). Why on earth Night Elves can call down Mules is beyond me...
I mean, I honestly just hate the talent - I think it's a really silly talent that sometimes does nothing and sometimes is so clearly wrong and broken it just shouldn't be around. Mule should be something reserved for specialist heroes with particular roles - Tassadar and Gazlowe makes sense (one is an extremely defensive character with several defensive talents, the other is the engineer character and it makes sense thematically). Why on earth Night Elves can call down Mules is beyond me...
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Thanks a bunch for the numbers Alur! Will save it for future reference
Also, don't be hatin' on my mules!
Also, don't be hatin' on my mules!
super-famicom
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I'm still a lowly Bronze Leaguer in QM. Fucked up my first few matches when I started, but my MMR is slowly going up. Low 1400s now.
(Wisps)
I'm with you on MULE. I both don't understand why they thought it was a good idea and then why they put it on certain heroes they've had it on. It certainly needs to be gone from Malf for the reasons you mentioned.
Thanks a bunch for the numbers Alur! Will save it for future reference
You're welcome. It's interesting stuff. It makes me sad to think that I (and probably a lot of us here are in diamond as well AFAIK) slot in as better than 90% of players yet the gap between me and a pro player is even larger than the gap between me and a Silver player.
Yessir. The first 50 games are huge and you are still getting big gains or losses even into the 100's. Getting stuck in Bronze or Silver in Quick Match is the same as the elo hell in Hero League. Every other game you've got someone raging, AFKing, or completely oblivious because you are so close to the "starting" MMR. It's an exercise in frustration to get out of and takes a lot of persistence even after you've figured out how to build your hero and what you're really supposed to be doing. Are you NA?
super-famicom
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Yup, living in California. When do you play, we've never partied up.
Yep agreed, i felt the same way about cleanse before the change too
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Why sad though?! That's what I love about professionals. They're so immensely dedicated to what they do, it's outstanding to just watch and be fascinated!
I was grand master in SC2 for a few seasons and despite being in the "top 200" of the region, watching real (Korean) pros go at it in GSL was mind blowing. The thought of being top 200, yet looking so utterly trash in front of these pros was amazing.
It varies. I'm west coast now too, actually. Sometimes we'll play from like 1 or 2 PST til 5 PST. Normally it's easier for me to get on later, though, like 9 PST after I put my kids down. I'll add you if you're in the GAF list. I haven't looked at it in quite a while.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Wombo combos in this game certainly gives the oomph factor, if that's what you're referring to
Orochinagis
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I usually pick the MULE with abathur =[
League has more unique situations (a lot more default shit too) compared to the more straightforward vibe of hots, so i feel this
@ketch
In general im of the mind that most plat and up in league can hit master in hots if they feel like it
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Wow, I had no idea QM could be so relaxing. I guess it only took me a few days of HL to realize how much of a laid back mode QM really is. I should've done this much, much earlier.
You're style of play is really the opposite of what Hero LEague is about though. If you go into every draft and draft the same character no matter your draft pick order or the rest of your team you're goign to have some extremely frustrating games... ;-).
And yes, QM is much more relaxing now - we use it to test stuff out, learn new heroes, and generally chill. No point getting worked up over it. The MAtchmaker Gods will decide your fate!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Why do you think that I'm drafting the same character no matter what ?
I have Tassadar, Sonya, Tyrande and a bit of Diablo to work with. Before that, I had Kharazim in the "rotation" as well so I'm versatile! I avoid playing with characters that I've gotten to 10 though, that I can agree on.
Edit: also, rank 5 hype (!?)
? I have Tassadar, Sonya, Tyrande and a bit of Diablo to work with. Before that, I had Kharazim in the "rotation" as well so I'm versatile! I avoid playing with characters that I've gotten to 10 though, that I can agree on.
Edit: also, rank 5 hype (!?)
RumblingRosco
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Why do you think that I'm drafting the same character no matter what
I have Tassadar, Sonya, Tyrande and a bit of Diablo to work with. Before that, I had Kharazim in the "rotation" as well so I'm versatile! I avoid playing with characters that I've gotten to 10 though, that I can agree on.
Edit: also, rank 5 hype (!?)
No one will ever be mad at you if you just choose Abathur for every game in HL no matter the team composition. I promise.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Oh! Great, I was thinking of just going with Abathur for a week straight! Thanks
I dunno, I don't agree with that at all. To me that's an elitist POV and pointed more towards your experience with other MOBAs than what is actually relevant in HOTS. I don't think I've seen anyone here except for Yoshi say I'm good because I'm in the top 5 or 10%. But in reality, isn't better than 90% of people doing something "good" by definition?
Your HOTS mantra is "we aren't pro so it doesn't matter". Probably heard you say that or something like it 50 times over the past year, lol, but most people play these games for the competitive aspect. They want to win regardless of how good or bad they may be. In any game, real or e-sport, along with any field of work, being better than 90% of the people playing/doing the thing would be considered pretty good. It doesn't really matter how good or bad the other 90% were. Just because we all feed, or throw, or miss a skill shot or make a bad call from time to time doesn't mean we are all trash, either.
Just because JohnnyQuest#2828 is low Platinum doesn't mean he's a trash tier player, same with RedBaron#1919 who is in Gold. Compared to a Diamond player, sure, he's bad, but that Diamond player is terrible compared to a Master player. Same thing goes across the other games that some of the people in here love to compare with. Like I was saying, we've had plenty games together where you or I have done something stupid and cost a game. That's kind of part of the genre and doesn't equal trash. It may equal trash compared to the equivalent level League or Dota player, sure, but we aren't playing League or Dota.
I mean, watch this thread and reddit and Twitch during any notable tournament and you have people bitching about Zuna feeding, or bad engages, or what have you and these are the best of the best. Yet still people are calling for teams to drop these players and replace them even though they can't even reach their skill level. It's all relative.
RumblingRosco
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I ran an Anub bug build this morning in HL. So much fun. I didn't do as much damage as I'd hoped, but I felt like I was disrupting everything.
Also, Web Wrap is a massive counter to Malfurion's Tranquility. Just shut that shit down during a team fight and if the opposing team fails to free Malf you basically win.
Also, Web Wrap is a massive counter to Malfurion's Tranquility. Just shut that shit down during a team fight and if the opposing team fails to free Malf you basically win.
Dreadnaught got ganked like 4 times in a row on screen yesterday when playing Zagara, it was hilarious.
LOL I was watching that game. Made me feel better.
Namechanging my accounts brb
I've been thinking lately about how they're going to implement Arcturus Mengsk. With abilities that have been datamined being named things like 'Propaganda Tower' and 'Life Insurance Policy', I partly wonder if he'll be another character not meant to engage directly against other heroes, like Abathur.
But then I consider what that would mean on a team where you also do have Abathur. Being down 2 bodies would be really hard in a lot of ways. So I'm not sure we'll ever get another character like Abathur, just for that reason.
But then I consider what that would mean on a team where you also do have Abathur. Being down 2 bodies would be really hard in a lot of ways. So I'm not sure we'll ever get another character like Abathur, just for that reason.
Fuk i lost a big post that i was typing out on my phone but here's bullet notes
Nm i dunno how to do bullet notes on a phone
I think ketch was talking about his mentality rather than a describing landscape
It's a good point you made about there being a constant influx of new players (and also an influx of outliers)
It's hard to talk or suss out accurate skill info w/ the info we have available
But it's interesting to try to lay out the context of the game, its newness, how that affects stats, etc.
It makes sense to think of present situations if you contextualize what it probably represents (in general a new environment w/ skill being hard to figure out in this sample)
Comparing other mobas is more like comparing historys; it's apparent that hots and other mobas require different skillsets to be successful. Thinking about how season 2 plat in league is different than getting season 4 plat because of various factors, and so on.
Acknowledging that the current hots ratings, besides being problematic by themselves for various reasons, would also be an early view of the game, that the current top/bottom players still arent close to reaching the limits of what it means to be good or bad at this game (and also that the game is still pretty much an alpha/beta in terms of balancing and patching w/ core things being changed pretty consistently, reworks w/ a relatively small pool, etc.)
Also totally feel you that there isnt really any need to call ppl trash
I was more eloquent in my actual post
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