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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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4 levels ahead is NOT enough against us, guys. You have to try harder! =]
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Entertaining as usual!
"I'm so sorry guys." :lol
God damn, the two games we played so far has been terrible. I'm taking a small break today. Fantastic weather outside and I'm honestly feeling that my head is about to explode. So today will be an inefficient Heroes-day! I will come home sometime later today and then we can play as long as we want.
Pro plays right there.
Kssio_Aug
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Yup! Sometimes I get a nice QM team, but most of the times there's one or two partners that completely ignore the rest of the team calling for support or the missions! Some players just stay hitting a lane over and over! I wonder sometimes if they lost connection or had to quit and I didnt see the message that says they leaved, but sometimes I think that the A.I do way more.
I'm looking at the DXTory frame rate, and it's dropping sometimes into the low 30s. Does latency actually affect my real frame rate as well? It seems like with latency would just "seem" that the frame rate has dropped, but the local frame buffer would still be reporting a steady 60.
The Lamonster
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I need more friends that play this game (NA region). I play mostly in the late evenings (central time).
I'm also not very experienced so I'd appreciate playing with friends who don't mind teaching me a thing or two.
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I'm also not very experienced so I'd appreciate playing with friends who don't mind teaching me a thing or two.
Quote to reveal my ID!
Interfectum
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I've ragged on Abby in the past (rip locust build) but holy shit does he synergize well with Johanna.
Three games in a row I had the highest hero damage in-game. All I had to do was stay on her and spam QWE.
Three games in a row I had the highest hero damage in-game. All I had to do was stay on her and spam QWE.
Oh quick question: has anyone ever tried to find the best video options to see cloaked characters?
I've switched to the highest video options lately and noticed that it is WAY harder to see cloaked charakters. Before, I was always the first one to spot them but lately I tend to overlook that pesky Nova every now and then.
I cannot remember which options to change back in order to spot them again
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I've switched to the highest video options lately and noticed that it is WAY harder to see cloaked charakters. Before, I was always the first one to spot them but lately I tend to overlook that pesky Nova every now and then.
I cannot remember which options to change back in order to spot them again
.InvaderZimmer
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Oh quick question: has anyone ever tried to find the best video options to see cloaked characters?
I've switched to the highest video options lately and noticed that it is WAY harder to see cloaked charakters. Before, I was always the first one to spot them but lately I tend to overlook that pesky Nova every now and then.
I cannot remember which options to change back in order to spot them again
Maybe try low resolution textures?
I don't really have a hard time finding cloaked unless they don't move around very much.
Facundo_Lopez
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anyone else having a problem with the screen going all black on the character selection menu?
Samurai G0SU
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Nice job guys! Clearly the enemy team with the terror thought the vine would help defending vs your terror LOL. that was funny. BUT he did land a nice morph on 3 of you. well played!
Oh quick question: has anyone ever tried to find the best video options to see cloaked characters?
I've switched to the highest video options lately and noticed that it is WAY harder to see cloaked charakters. Before, I was always the first one to spot them but lately I tend to overlook that pesky Nova every now and then.
I cannot remember which options to change back in order to spot them again
pretty sure that the shimmer effect would be shaders.
I actually found it easier to spot cloaked characters on highest settings, but then again i actually haven't tried it on low so i might be wrong here
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
You're all talking about increasing or decreasing the settings to be able to see the shimmering easier... and here I am, forced to play on the lowest or the game drops down to single digits during intense fights :/
brickwalker0
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i have no idea what they can do about cloak but it seems like something that impacts gameplay balance in a way that it shouldn't.
jediyoshi
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Agreed, sometimes I feel like the only one on my team who spots those shimmers. On max settings at least, it's way easier to pick them out on brighter maps than not, can't imagine that was intentional design.
The Lamonster
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Same. I run everything on low w/no AA except textures are on high.
I played League on the slowest goddamn ugly settings for hours and hours... while still dropping to or below 10ish frames every teamfight. Those were hard times.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
For everyone who plays on low or highest, switch to the opposite graphics and BEHOLD the change inside the mines (golem-map). It's like, the entire architecture looks different.
They are used to it. They are also used to losing greater than the targeted 50% of the time when it happens. Blizzard told us this itself from their numbers. We don't even need to refer to hotdogs for that. Its never the reason your team lost? Never? Ayyy lmao. Considering how universally strong everyone - from noob to C9M/TS pro feels support is in the game the last few patches that statement seems a bit strong.
Add that to the fact that now Tassadar faces a healing support almost every time in matchmaking (and his Healing Totem got wrecked) and he's just not as good as he used to be for Quick Match unless you queue in two support. And he really wasn't great before for most people in QM either for the last bit (last couple months).
The coordination isn't there. Maybe it is at your level, or with you and your brother and whoever joins, but for solo queue he's a weakness right now. His main addition to an uncoordinated team is his survivability at the moment, but barring the times he has Archon it's not adding a ton that a Brightwing, Uther, Rehgar or pretty much any assassin wouldn't be be preferred for by the much larger section of players who aren't as experienced as most of us here.
Im not against the strength of healers, but the idea that teams are naturally worse off w/ a tass, who has a healing move, compared to like a lili or some other devoted healer. I have never lost a game because of a lack of healer, i totally stand by that. Ive played plenty of games where ppl pretended they had a healer where they didnt.
Im fine w/ the argument that ppl use healing as a crutch excuse and will complain about lack of healing vs. other real gameplay mistakes they are making, but thats not just tied to inexperience, its tied to an unwillingness to make things work
I absolutely think it's bogus that someone thinks they lost because they took too much damage and no healer was around to patch them up. The whole point of healers is to allow greediness and tassadar does that just fine
Im fine w/ the argument that ppl use healing as a crutch excuse and will complain about lack of healing vs. other real gameplay mistakes they are making, but thats not just tied to inexperience, its tied to an unwillingness to make things work
I absolutely think it's bogus that someone thinks they lost because they took too much damage and no healer was around to patch them up. The whole point of healers is to allow greediness and tassadar does that just fine
Actually, it is bad all the way to Rank 1.
The match system is really broken. I am rank 5, I get to group up with all rank 20-30 while the other side sometime get 3x rank 1 because they queued up together...
LOL, I wonder why I even solo queue...
Can't all be 3k+ players.
shiftplusone
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I dunno if it's my connection or i have some wierd perfect storm of low-mid range but everything is at max and my framerate is pretty stable on a 670 and 2500k
beginning of match gets ugly but I haven't had any frameshitting for 99% of my playtime (only level 13 though)
beginning of match gets ugly but I haven't had any frameshitting for 99% of my playtime (only level 13 though)
Orochinagis
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Was the Kel'Thuzad model posted?
His master skin would be too easy, just add more spikes and bigger horns
Does anyone hate a passive Lili player?
Somehow, Lili plays by a passive player makes me rage more than anything in this game, even worse than bad position from Kael.
Lili is there to bail/run, spam QQQQ, put serp on aggressive player to secure kill, blind people, kung-fu hustle in and out brah...spam those MFING BUTTONS!
Yeah, sorry for the rant.
Lili is just so good when playing aggressive but people play her like a crappy ass healer.
Somehow, Lili plays by a passive player makes me rage more than anything in this game, even worse than bad position from Kael.
Lili is there to bail/run, spam QQQQ, put serp on aggressive player to secure kill, blind people, kung-fu hustle in and out brah...spam those MFING BUTTONS!
Yeah, sorry for the rant.
Lili is just so good when playing aggressive but people play her like a crappy ass healer.
Sorry, I don't think this is something that boils down to a personal opinion - Blizzard gave us the numbers, and we have a vibrant pro scene every week. Objectively teams without a healer only win roughly 40% of the time versus teams that do have a healer.
If teams without support were fine, you would see them in tournaments - I cannot EVER recall a zero support team (although there have been 0 warrior teams, or 0 specialist teams).
Healers are critical for this game, and no-one considers Tassadar an equal support to any of the other healers barring Tyrande. No-one is saying that you cannot win matches with him solo support, or even without any support - 40% of the time, you'll still win after all with 0 supports. But over time, the odds are definitely stacked against you if you don't have a healer, or if Tass is your only support.
(Again, if Tass were viable solo, you would see him in tournaments. You never, ever do).
SuperDowns
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I am having the same trouble.
My machine crashed while playing with some Gaffers (I cannot apologize more for dropping). It only happens with this game and I cannot figure it out.
What's is your build for Lili, I am probably one of those trying to play Lili as a crappy healer with lukewarm results.
Cloud Serpent Lili, pew pew!
She should be near the frontlines poking and trading, since her heal heals both herself and her target. If you're not trading HP, you're wasting potential HPS on yourself, as well as DPS from Blinding Wind and Cloud Serpent.
She should be near the frontlines poking and trading, since her heal heals both herself and her target. If you're not trading HP, you're wasting potential HPS on yourself, as well as DPS from Blinding Wind and Cloud Serpent.
jaundicejuice
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It's not always about picking what has been decided to be the best talent build for the character, sometimes it's about picking the best talent build for the match you are currently playing. Ignite is the usual talent pick for me at that tier...when I'm not getting focused down by multiple heroes, a shitton of CC or heroics. Ignite is nice and all but it's not going to spam cast Living Bomb through Chain Bomb on heroes and minions if you're dead. My DPS wasn't dramatically impacted either, you can still do a lot with Living Bomb, Verdant Spheres and Chain Bomb.
Ideally I would pick Gathering Power over Netherwind, Ignite over Arcane Shield or a second tier of my heroic over Bolt of the Storm but sometimes solo queue doesn't afford you those luxuries.
This is what I would personally use:
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/li-li#gs1b
Although there are some things you can change up.
At 4, consider taking Mass Vortex if they have a decent amount of auto attackers.
At 13, Hindering Winds and Shrink Ray work too. I personally prefer the ability power gained from E.
At 16, you can take Serpent Sidekick as it goes well with the level 4 talent of it healing you. Herbal Cleanse is great at saving lives and letting people stick in the fights longer due to the move speed and CC removal. Just gotta make sure it's hitting the right targets.
Through 50 games, I have a 62% win ratio with her using that build mainly. Although 7 of those were won via the cheese build that was live for a while.
Gathering power is great, but I take the gravity talent at 4 myself against certain heroes or comps. Defo agree there. But if you are so pressured at 16 to not take ignite, then there's no real point to Kael compared to other assassins. If you've gone into a quick match and find yourself in that type of game, then of course you are right and living is better than nothing at all.
But what I would say is this - there's a reason the pro scene has Kael taking flamestrike range at 13. Chain Bomb just isn't worth it anymore for most games with the hotfix, and the flamestrike range turns him into an artillery piece. You are FAR better taking that at 13, and Ignite at 16, than the other way around. Ignite *is* Kael right now really.
badscooter
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Is the Heroes Teambuilder site still not working for some? I haven't been able to get it to work. I'd hate to miss out on the free mechanospider.
I'm going to have to try that out at some point (range on Q). I never really knew that Kael was bugged until I read it was hotfixed.
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/li-li#oUan
This is mine.
I don't use Jug on this build if a team has a lot of CC or there is a lack of AOE assassins. I also rather blind dps to reduce incoming damage to players as well instead of standing there for 6 sec casting Jug.
Water Dragon can also give you a great initiator spell in team fight, creating a better position playing field by allowing everyone to jump on the other team assassin.
Add in shrink ray, and it is usually a 3v5 fight with Water Dragon debuff still up.
Then with kung fu hustle, you cast more Water Dragon as the fight lasts longer.
The level 16 talent is the only tricky one to pick, Two for One is really good if you know you might need that extra healing instead of removing stun/slow. Sidekick if you want to give yourself more healing option on yourself.
You become the games ultimate poker. He makes Hammer look feeble (although obviously he's a lot easier to kill than Hammer).
Basically, once you hit 16 you stand a mile away from the fight, and every 7 seconds throw a precision strike on the enemy team. It's great fun, and a lot safer than his usual play.
Lot of talk on THH about how Spellshield and Imposing Presence both likely need reworks in response to how Kael gets no pushback while Hammer gets run over by a bus.
How over the top was Zoia about TS winning WCA?
Dance Inferno
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So aside from Valla at 2k what are some other good low gold buys? I'm thinking Anub at 4k? I'm sitting on 15k gold right now and while I don't want to spend all of it just yet (I'm gonna wait for some price drops) I would like to buy one or two more characters to add to my rotation.
They were still in shock at 3-0ing them and they thought C9 was thrown off by the setup. Apparently, only 1 of the sound-proof booths arrived, so everyone could hear everyone. And that meant Zuna was REALLY REALLY REALLY LOUD, as well as causing issues where people could hear focus fire/gank targets.
Anub at 4K is a definite winner, yeah. Illidan less so because you need a heal buddy to make him shine.
Li Li, Malf, Muradin, ETC and Anub are pretty safe choices.
Tass is constantly played in tourneys but thats neither here or there. I am not making an argument against supports, i dunno if im being clear. I am against the idea that your team has less of a chance winning in qm with tass vs. A dedicated healer, feeding into a we lost before the game started mentality. I think ive posted about this before, but there is a real danger in out of context statistics (we've discussed a supposed correlation between anub's beetle build and his high pub winrate for example, which would trend thinking towards yo this build is the best; it's not). I have no problem saying it's easier for the majority of hots players to win if they have a healer and the other team doesnt, but i prtty firmly believe this had less to do with the heroes and more to do with how ppl play, like that is the main thing im saying. Tassadar offers so much, it's really discouraging to read a slew of posts talking about how it makes ppls hearts sink when they see him instead of like rehgar or something.
Blizzard has also consistently deemed non-problematic heroes as problematic and made moves to change those heroes in big ways before reconsidering. They are still finding a balance between statistics, community complaining, and actual reality of the heroes.
When i say i have never lost because i lack heals on my team i mean that the onus here is on decisionmaking, that ppl are conditioned to play as if they have a healer. Ive won a lot of games where im tass and im the only support w/ a healer on the other team, like thats anecdotal but the idea here is that these situations are no less winnable, like not even remotely, just as having two warriors with no support vs. A team with support can be totally fine. I largely prefer a team with tyreal/anub vs. Rehgar for example.
Another problematic thing is this inordinate focus on roles vs. Kits which ive tried bringing up. The best healers are the best because of their kit, not their healing power...but ppl have a hard time grasping that.
We're waiting for you, sir!
super-famicom
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Anub is amazing, go for it!
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