But if you do stutter step, you're reducing damage with her unlike on other heroes where it increases damage.
With her you're just moving to move.
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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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But if you do stutter step, you're reducing damage with her unlike on other heroes where it increases damage.
With her you're just moving to move.
Venus Van Dam
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I bought Zagara at 7k gold. Is there anything I can do recover the 3k I spent?
Open a support ticket, how long ago was it?
L2P noobs.
If you get queued against a 5-stack, your team should have the better players, per the new matchmaking rules.
Sure, I read that. But I still don't think it's a good idea having a matchmaking that will shove a team with Abathur and Murky, that has 3 solo queuers, and two duo queuers, against a 5 stack, regardless of skill. It isn't even two groups, theres 4 seperate "people areas".
RumblingRosco
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So I made a short (~1 minute) clip of the GIF I posted on here yesterday. In case anyone is bored and hates Lunara.
YouTube link.
YouTube link.
Venus Van Dam
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About a month ago. Why?
Heh, that's a little hyperbolic after just one game, no?
Just shit luck is all. Happens to all of us. Shit luck no matter how you look at it with Abathur + Murky, even if you were playing 5 new players the game made it harder than it needed to be. But that's why folks play QM, to play what they want to play.
Probably too long ago if I was guessing. If it was last week you'd have a much better case.
Well, I'm just sour because after putting up with shit matchmaking for like a year, they finally say they've fixed it and well, I get that game.
Just makes you salty man!
Well, they didn't say they fixed it. They said this patch rolled out phase one of the fix.
No matter what they do, how they calculate it, or how careful they are...everyone is still going to have bad matches with bad comps and bad players. It's inevitable. The complaints will never stop. They are still in the other games too which are supposed to be superior.
I get where you're coming from though. It is frustrating. I'm not a fan of smaller groups vs 5 mans happening again, either, even if you have the MMR advantage...but if that's part of what it takes to make things work better I guess I can deal.
No matter what they do, how they calculate it, or how careful they are...everyone is still going to have bad matches with bad comps and bad players. It's inevitable. The complaints will never stop. They are still in the other games too which are supposed to be superior.
I get where you're coming from though. It is frustrating. I'm not a fan of smaller groups vs 5 mans happening again, either, even if you have the MMR advantage...but if that's part of what it takes to make things work better I guess I can deal.
Because if it was really recent you'd have a shot. A month is way too long.
Venus Van Dam
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Ahh I'll try anyway. If it fails, it's like playing 100 victories for free. Thanks Kirblar and Alur
So, a few thoughts on Lunara. Addmittedly, first day of play and all.
1) Blizzard need to stop putting these stupid "deals stupid damage to non-heroic targets" abilities in the game. Johanna, Leoric, Rexxar - all had them, all have had them nerfed since release. Lunara's at 7 is just as dumb, and turns her into possibly the fastest character in the game at killing buildings. You would think that they would stop doing this by now.
2) Don't let new heroes play in ranked play when first released. PLEASE. Every other frigging MOBA does it, and turning hero league into "Whichever team gets the new hero, loses" is not fun for the first week she's out.
3) Linked to the above - it would be good to see a hero released who actually feels powerful. Lunara does not. She might well be with time, skill and practice, but when you first play her in matches she feels incredibly, extraordinarily squishy. She also feels oddly slow compared to other heroes because of the bounding leap and the inability to move fast around a map. If heroes weren't playable in ranked play when first released, Blizzard could stop worrying so much about releasing another Kael and give us a hero who actually feels strong on first play.
(Rather than being weak on first play, being weak until bug fixes and QOL changes are implemented, or being weak until the meta shifts and you have tons of play with the hero).
I was really looking forward to Lunara, but have come away feeling a bit unimpressed and wondering how she fits into the current stun and kill meta.
1) Blizzard need to stop putting these stupid "deals stupid damage to non-heroic targets" abilities in the game. Johanna, Leoric, Rexxar - all had them, all have had them nerfed since release. Lunara's at 7 is just as dumb, and turns her into possibly the fastest character in the game at killing buildings. You would think that they would stop doing this by now.
2) Don't let new heroes play in ranked play when first released. PLEASE. Every other frigging MOBA does it, and turning hero league into "Whichever team gets the new hero, loses" is not fun for the first week she's out.
3) Linked to the above - it would be good to see a hero released who actually feels powerful. Lunara does not. She might well be with time, skill and practice, but when you first play her in matches she feels incredibly, extraordinarily squishy. She also feels oddly slow compared to other heroes because of the bounding leap and the inability to move fast around a map. If heroes weren't playable in ranked play when first released, Blizzard could stop worrying so much about releasing another Kael and give us a hero who actually feels strong on first play.
(Rather than being weak on first play, being weak until bug fixes and QOL changes are implemented, or being weak until the meta shifts and you have tons of play with the hero).
I was really looking forward to Lunara, but have come away feeling a bit unimpressed and wondering how she fits into the current stun and kill meta.
The 31% win rate in hero league says something I feel. She can put out decent numbers (but not insane numbers) if allowed to stand at the back and shoot - but any team letting her do that needs it's head examining. Everything we said about Medic being hard to keep alive? Lunara has lower health and doesn't even have the benefit of a knockback. Anyone, *anyone* gets on her and she's dead. She's so squishy is ridiculous. She also has real issues actually killing someone - the current meta is hugely burst heavy, and she is very very bad at that.
I just would like to pick up a hero and think "wow, this feels strong". I haven't felt that since Leoric.
jaundicejuice
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Lunara fits in perfectly with the stun/kill meta. She's the backline ranged assassin, poking at you from behind her team. She's who you have to dive in a teamfight, otherwise it's just DoTs everywhere.
It's not necessarily a question of the opposing team letting her stand there and just apply Dots to them, it's whether her team let you get to her in the first place. Her baseline movement speed is faster than heroes on-foot. You can only catch up to her mounted or with a dive move. If she's right clicked you, she can slow you and get away. Plus her vision tool can mitigate a lot of risk, not just for her but her team.
It basically sounds like you want a brokenly powerful hero at launch that's restricted to Quick Match.
It's not necessarily a question of the opposing team letting her stand there and just apply Dots to them, it's whether her team let you get to her in the first place. Her baseline movement speed is faster than heroes on-foot. You can only catch up to her mounted or with a dive move. If she's right clicked you, she can slow you and get away. Plus her vision tool can mitigate a lot of risk, not just for her but her team.
It basically sounds like you want a brokenly powerful hero at launch that's restricted to Quick Match.
I don't really care about day 1 HL impressions.
They definitely need to put a week freeze on new heroes in there.
jaundicejuice
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In Dota certain heroes get banned from Captain's Mode while they are WIP. Blizzard could do the same, just restrict new heroes from ranked play until they've had a bit of the hero being in the wild to see how everything shakes out.
Orochinagis
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Good lord, I still cant play the game, the ping goes to the sky after the first minutes of the game, making it unplayable.
Lunara have to wait, more, one day.
Lunara have to wait, more, one day.
jaundicejuice
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I don't think Raynor's range is busted, it's kind of all he's got. He doesn't get serious burst damage until 13 with Raiders and double Q but even then it takes his trait to be able to go toe to toe with a Valla or Illidan.
You can restrict which regions you play in. Also you can hit Ctrl + Alt + F to display some debug text and make note of which server cluster you're on when you get horrendous latency.
You can restrict which regions you play in. Also you can hit Ctrl + Alt + F to display some debug text and make note of which server cluster you're on when you get horrendous latency.
Turdburger
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Lunara pretty much requires Tass and/or Uther. Not necessarily a terrible thing but she seems weak in organized play. One stun and she's done
Maximus.
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It isn't the type of game to sit on when there are problems or changes that need to be made. There is legit stiff competition and they know they need to be on their game.
Love the game though, despite the shitty teams or attitudes I do encounter on a daily basis.
Right?
For science: https://vimeo.com/149346028
Skip to the 30 second mark. I was auto-attacking the dummy for a bit until her dps evened out.
Assuming we can figure out the build and peel comp for Lunara so she can actually do her stuff, it feels like her place in the meta is to directly counter teams that run Uther / Tyrande / Tassadar as their sole support. I cannot imagine any of those three being anywhere near capable of dealing with Lunaras constant background damage, especially if she specs to a build that allows her to infect multiple people at once.
That's not a bad specialist place to occupy.
(Also hoping they fix the stutter stepping thing - don't care if it's for balance, it just feels *awful*. Tune down her numbers if that's the case, but mechanically its definitely off right now)
That's not a bad specialist place to occupy.
(Also hoping they fix the stutter stepping thing - don't care if it's for balance, it just feels *awful*. Tune down her numbers if that's the case, but mechanically its definitely off right now)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
anyone feel a noticeable difference in the matchmaking?
So far it feels worse, but I haven't had nearly enough matches to say for sure.
The whole "we make up for a smaller premade going against a larger premade by giving the smaller premade team an MMR boost" doesn't feel like it goes far enough, my dude and I in our 2-stack would regularly go against 4-stacks that would just roll us.
Spencer had to bring goats. Abi/Tasha he could win against. But yeah, he was digging himself his own hole
You guys enjoying Lunara? I noticed shes rock bottom on win rate. Still going to try to give her a good go later when I get time to play. Been busy past couple days
Haven't seen any hero release that wasn't recently.
She's supposed to be pokey, but way too fragile to be in the thick. Q is way too small, even if you get the upgrade at 1 (think Gall's Q width upgrade).
Her AAs don't really take off till you get the W range upgrade at 16, which I'm not even sure is the best upgrade.
Her health pool is definitely one of the smallest in the game. In the stun and burst meta, she's dead weight. Fun as hell, which most heroes have been recently, but overall too weak thanks to her small health pool.
She is super fun.
She also feels like the absolute squishiest hero in the game. Worse than Morales.
I haven't died a whole lot, but I was basically playing risk averse as possible 90% of the time and backing anytime a fight was complete and I had taken any damage.
KT chain bomb or one Zera combo does half of her health easily.
She also feels like the absolute squishiest hero in the game. Worse than Morales.
I haven't died a whole lot, but I was basically playing risk averse as possible 90% of the time and backing anytime a fight was complete and I had taken any damage.
KT chain bomb or one Zera combo does half of her health easily.
It's actually annoying as fuck playing against KT with her. I got matched against KT without a support yesterday.. Ew.
He went Pyroblast and that along with chain bombs was it for me. I felt like I was instantly out of every fight
Because even if though I didn't die much I'd deal very little damage because I'd have to back off....
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i've only had the time for about 4 games in hero league. i haven't really seen much difference personally, but i'm going to hold off on judgment for now
feeling the specialist comparisons
na show matches soon: http://www.twitch.tv/heroes_hype
really good comp to play nova against
guess tazza is subbing for bross?
o maybe it's a swerve?
aww it's sheth
col also dunzo, dunno if the team is sticking together tho
na show matches soon: http://www.twitch.tv/heroes_hype
really good comp to play nova against
guess tazza is subbing for bross?
o maybe it's a swerve?
aww it's sheth
col also dunzo, dunno if the team is sticking together tho
jaundicejuice
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If they blocked new heroes from Hero League until their first patch, I would play Hero League exclusively. So many feeders.
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