Eighty Deuce
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They need to make an arcturus mengsk hero that plays like abathur
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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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RumblingRosco
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Welcome to the best hero club, friend.
I felt like the last time I played (4 days ago?) things were a bit too easy. If we're 4/5 stacking, we literally rolled everyone unless we got hosed with comps.
I brought it up with Alur and we agreed upon the same thing: it kind of ruined the experience when every game was a stomp. I vote going forward if whenever we play, we try to at least split 2 of us to at least even the games up.
Don't get me wrong, still super fun and I enjoy it. Just gets a little boring facing no real competition.
With that being said, I should be on at some point tonight and can play pretty early into the morning.
lol. You just reminded me I need to finish Heart of the Swarm campaign
Im down, my own games w/ just my bruh have been pretty difficult recently w/ prtty much every game won being undeserved i think
I think we played w/ fixed last night but i wasnt sure if it was him or some other guy
Ppl loving qm in a recent reddit thread
The issue is less that he's OP and more that he and Raynor are too good for how easy their damage is to deal. They both just fire away from long distances for big damage that doesn't have a high skill ceiling.
The thing that's really doing work for Kael right now is his stun and gathering power. If they make wider changes to the stun meta I would expect Jaina to resume her former position.
(I actually chose Falstad over Kael recently - when the enemy team has two tanks and medic I wasn't bursting anyone down, and it worked out brilliantly - so there are some circumstances where Kael isn't best picked!)
(I actually chose Falstad over Kael recently - when the enemy team has two tanks and medic I wasn't bursting anyone down, and it worked out brilliantly - so there are some circumstances where Kael isn't best picked!)
RumblingRosco
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I wish more people would believe me that the Dwarf Launch/Haymaker build is amazing. I'll have to drop some hot clips on you casual plebs soon.
RumblingRosco
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Corrected your typos.
RumblingRosco
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Haymaker someone, leap to where they are post-Haymaker, then Haymaker them back to where they were originally. Fucking mind games.
In quickmatch and unco-ordinated ranked play, you take GP over the netherwind boost and just play normal living bomb. If your team wins one team fight, Kael now has 10% extra damage on his Living Bomb and that's often enough to make you win the next fight. It actually has a higher win rate than the stun boost for that reason.
at this point they just let you kill them out of respect
yeah I've played gp/bomb before but I think I like nether wind better
Me too, I love catching people in a stun - but gathering power definitely has a place on him against certain comps.
(Still think that talent needs a fundamental change and utterly hate it's current form though. Kael with +30% to his abilities is almost as bad as nova, he becomes a god amongst men in team fights).
jaundicejuice
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They need to get rid of Gathering Power, Envenom, Hardened Shields and the like. If they're somehow integral to the character, make a character specific version like Sylvanas' Will of the Forsaken, it's essentially sprint with an unstoppable states added to it or Azmodan's Sin's Grasp which is just a re-branded Envenom. Then you can tune to the hero rather than these stupid game-wide talents that are frequently problematic, if not outright broken on certain heroes.
There's an 8 second cooldown between haymakers though isn't there? I guess delayed mind games would still work.
RumblingRosco
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Honestly, I suddenly can't recall the cooldown in between the two charges, but I do know I've Haymaker'd the same fool twice back-to-back (maybe it was with that 8 second delay). Still felt awesome.
Haymaker is the best spell in the game. Not just Heroic I mean but best anything ever. Always hilarious. Haymaker the opposing tank into your team? Hilarious. Haymaker an opposing support into your Core? Hilarious. Haymaker any opposing player into your Nexus to watch them get bounced out? Hilarious. Haymaker an enemy out of harms way and make your teammates salty? Still hilarious.
RumblingRosco
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Seems like Hammer is upper tier. I hear TLV are lower tier but haven't played them myself. Jaina is solid. I really like Malfurion for support because you're basically spamming Innervate all game with 4 targets at all times.
Make a tier list. It'd be awesome to discuss.
RumblingRosco
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Can't Nova get GP? Seems like Nova isn't great in ARAM but I haven't played her yet.
I'm getting the feeling no one's been in the office for weeks.
It's probably more along the lines of no executives or management in the office for weeks, and holiday change-freezes on their systems. Blizzard is probably a very good company to work for, but I doubt they give the grunts huge amounts of holiday time of and pay, given what we know about the industry in general.
Edit - just so that I don't have to make a separate post: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/20042936491?page=28#549 (New blizz post on match-making)
WonderRade
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They have also expressed that they are investigating things like the prevalence of stuns in the metagame which, if addressed might be enough for what they want to do with her
jaundicejuice
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I wonder how they test stuff. If it's just in an internal vacuum within the company or just the HotS team and the only external information is aggregate data they've collected or if they have public accounts and play out in the wilds of Quick Match or even Hero League.
Granted I think they've been more agile and responsive to challenges and problems with HotS versus other Blizzard games, like WoW's pvp for example, but some of the stances they take on heroes or certain abilities are puzzling.
Granted I think they've been more agile and responsive to challenges and problems with HotS versus other Blizzard games, like WoW's pvp for example, but some of the stances they take on heroes or certain abilities are puzzling.
RumblingRosco
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I doubt they spend a lot of time on public accounts out in the wild. I'm sure they have some random employees or people doing that full-time to some extent, but it seems inefficient to me and far to case-by-case to get a strong feeling for anything. I'm guessing it's mostly player feedback on forums, aggregate data, and then some internal play-testing.
Unrelated, but all this ARAM got me interested in recording a few matches. These aren't particularly spectacular examples of ARAM, but if any of you haven't seen it yet and want to see what it's like, here are my first three ARAMs that I ever played:
#1 Nazeebo
#2 Tyrael
#3 Malfurion
RumblingRosco
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Healing = above average
DPS for a support = above average
Nerf her and while you're at it nerf Sonya into oblivion.
Uther-level healer (output wise) with her same DPS stuff with Stun/Mark.
She was designed to be an aggressive buddy for gank duos and they gave her a good healing kit on top of it.
RumblingRosco
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You are supposed to backdoor as Abathur on ARAM. It fucks with their (allies and opposition) heads.
There's a reason Abathur and TLV aren't playable in arena mode... ;-)
In terms of Tyrande, the other issue is that the Time To Kill a hero has decreased as a result of the scaling changes - assassins and specialists in particular can be killed very very fast now. That has made the meta very focussed on stuns - because it's now trivial to kill someone in the duration of a stun. Tyrande happens to have both the best ranged stun in the game, and a trait which guarantees you a kill on that stunned person. Even if she didn't have the healing boost from earlier she would still be one of the top heroes in the game currently because stuns are just *that* good right now.
In terms of Tyrande, the other issue is that the Time To Kill a hero has decreased as a result of the scaling changes - assassins and specialists in particular can be killed very very fast now. That has made the meta very focussed on stuns - because it's now trivial to kill someone in the duration of a stun. Tyrande happens to have both the best ranged stun in the game, and a trait which guarantees you a kill on that stunned person. Even if she didn't have the healing boost from earlier she would still be one of the top heroes in the game currently because stuns are just *that* good right now.
I don't play him enough to know how to utilize him effectively.
RumblingRosco
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I'm being sarcastic but for real I want to try backdooring just for the lulz. I miss the days when his locusts could outrange towers.
aram tier list?
tried to make order matter but I dunno if I caught everything
the whole point of this mode is that it's impossible to play seriously, everything is random, it's whatever
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kael, sylv
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azmo, nova, raynor, gazlowe, diablo, tyrael, jaina, nazeebo, uther, tassadar, hammer
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valla, zagara, falstad, chen, arthas, thrall, sonya, stitches, monk, rehgar, bw, lunara, johanna, leoric, zeratul, kerrigan, etc, medic, tyrande, illidan, muradin, anub, vikings, abathur
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malf, lili, artanis, rexxar, butcher
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tychus, murky
I feel like there are a lot of things that can change about this list
Like a lot of it switches around depending on who you are with or against
tried to make order matter but I dunno if I caught everything
the whole point of this mode is that it's impossible to play seriously, everything is random, it's whatever
1
kael, sylv
2
azmo, nova, raynor, gazlowe, diablo, tyrael, jaina, nazeebo, uther, tassadar, hammer
3
valla, zagara, falstad, chen, arthas, thrall, sonya, stitches, monk, rehgar, bw, lunara, johanna, leoric, zeratul, kerrigan, etc, medic, tyrande, illidan, muradin, anub, vikings, abathur
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malf, lili, artanis, rexxar, butcher
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tychus, murky
I feel like there are a lot of things that can change about this list
Like a lot of it switches around depending on who you are with or against
RumblingRosco
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Let's work on this list. I'll add more comments later, but for now, I think Tychus should be up one tier and Abathur down one tier. Hammer should be tier 1 and Stitches tier 2.
Tychus: He isn't great but he has two AoE abilities not including Odin. Seems like that alone makes him not shit tier.
Abathur: His main attribute is his mobility and soaking powers... Which basically are worthless here. Seems he should be below average at best.
Hammer: Her AoE is bonkers and if you're in a game that allows BFG or the 20-talent BFG she gets truly awesome. Even without BFG, her basic attack splashes, her mines/knockback/Napalm all do AoE, and her range let's her hide behind a wall of four allies. She's not broken but has to be top tier.
Stitches: So easy to land a hook with five targets. Throw in a Gorge and boom easy kills every time Gorge pops up.
I'm confident in my opinions on the first three, less so on Stitches.
I agree BTW: it is a for-fun mode and is hard to rank and changes wildly depending on allies/opponents.
Tychus: He isn't great but he has two AoE abilities not including Odin. Seems like that alone makes him not shit tier.
Abathur: His main attribute is his mobility and soaking powers... Which basically are worthless here. Seems he should be below average at best.
Hammer: Her AoE is bonkers and if you're in a game that allows BFG or the 20-talent BFG she gets truly awesome. Even without BFG, her basic attack splashes, her mines/knockback/Napalm all do AoE, and her range let's her hide behind a wall of four allies. She's not broken but has to be top tier.
Stitches: So easy to land a hook with five targets. Throw in a Gorge and boom easy kills every time Gorge pops up.
I'm confident in my opinions on the first three, less so on Stitches.
I agree BTW: it is a for-fun mode and is hard to rank and changes wildly depending on allies/opponents.
Yeah abathur is too high and tychus is too low that makes sense to me. The thing i mainly like about aba is that it makes things like double warrior possible, two arthas ws are huge for example in a mode that restricts you to one support or warrior, but i favored the possibilities w/ ue too much i think
Tier 2 is my not broken but also the best tier, i think hammer is good early and late but pretty booty mid. Shes also food against certain things, iunno maybe if someone is really good at not sieging 24/7 but i feel pretty confident w/ her being bottom of the best. I feel like her best tool for this mode is siege and it's pretty huge, but it's hard not to die when you are sieged. No ones been running the cc reduc at 1 tho maybe thatd be a game changer? she really has to play around her z in this mode i think, but that's not necessarily a negative
Stitches is prtty comp dependent to me and i favor bile a lot more than gorge too (context tho ofc), like when bile is down he has a lot of trouble stopping the other team from rolling all over your team, his body is pretty fat tho. Tier 3 is pretty all over the place tho
Tier 2 is my not broken but also the best tier, i think hammer is good early and late but pretty booty mid. Shes also food against certain things, iunno maybe if someone is really good at not sieging 24/7 but i feel pretty confident w/ her being bottom of the best. I feel like her best tool for this mode is siege and it's pretty huge, but it's hard not to die when you are sieged. No ones been running the cc reduc at 1 tho maybe thatd be a game changer? she really has to play around her z in this mode i think, but that's not necessarily a negative
Stitches is prtty comp dependent to me and i favor bile a lot more than gorge too (context tho ofc), like when bile is down he has a lot of trouble stopping the other team from rolling all over your team, his body is pretty fat tho. Tier 3 is pretty all over the place tho
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