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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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You should not be getting that. Are you queueing in a 5man without one?
Nope, been solo for the last 3-4 matches. Its getting stupid
on a bright note got my 12th hero to 10
thought blizz already make it impossible to match non-
maybe your team has a Tassadar/Tyrande?
10 losing streak in Hero League last nite T_T
so hard to play when me and friend duo queue need to team up with new comer.
Blizzard need to understand that 5+10+45 /= 20+20+20
jaundicejuice
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You can see why some newer players look at a Raynor, Murky or Abathur and think they're going to be playing a hero down because you literally are with bad ones.
It feels like you're playing 4 protect 1, waiting twenty five minutes for a farmed Anti-Mage or Meepo that never appears. You're just strained from match start, then your forts start to tumble one by one. You group up but it doesn't matter because you're always short one, so you just lose every teamfight. You may lose the game but, hey, that one lane was kinda pushed and they got a lot of siege damage. "Look at my exp, why are you complaining?"
I have nothing but respect for good Murky and Abathur players but sometimes it fucking sucks being a speed bump on their way to being good with those heroes.
It feels like you're playing 4 protect 1, waiting twenty five minutes for a farmed Anti-Mage or Meepo that never appears. You're just strained from match start, then your forts start to tumble one by one. You group up but it doesn't matter because you're always short one, so you just lose every teamfight. You may lose the game but, hey, that one lane was kinda pushed and they got a lot of siege damage. "Look at my exp, why are you complaining?"
I have nothing but respect for good Murky and Abathur players but sometimes it fucking sucks being a speed bump on their way to being good with those heroes.
Been playing a good chunk this week and tried out lots of different heroes. Must have played 25 or so AI matches with the free heroes and wasn't really feeling it. That changed when I tested out Nova in the shop and decided to drop the $10 and play my first quick match. I had 35 takedowns and 5 deaths. I don't know if we were up against pretty bad players but I had a lot of fun for my first moba experience. Can't wait to get back in there with some friends!
Is that fix live?
jaundicejuice
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Alright, I'm a Flamethrower/Ignite believer. Just had a 45 and 3, 100K siege, 63k Hero damage Kael'thas game. With a double down on Pyroblast.
Dunno man, I feel like there's just as big a hump learning how to have sustain with Murky as there is to have an effective global presence with Aba. Maybe it's just because I've played with more bad Murky's than I have Abathur's period.
Dunno man, I feel like there's just as big a hump learning how to have sustain with Murky as there is to have an effective global presence with Aba. Maybe it's just because I've played with more bad Murky's than I have Abathur's period.
//ARCANUM
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Just throwing in my 2 cents regarding abathur. It is incredibly difficult to win in QM with random players if 1 person on your team is Abathur. All the other team has to do is stick together for 75% of the game and they will beat you 5v4 in every team fight. Of course this isn't true 100% of the time, but for me it's like 9/10 times. I really wish people wouldn't choose abathur when they're going qeueing solo in QM.
Edit - I almost find it selfish of the abathur player. Just wait to play Abathur until you're in hero/team league. He is a curse in QM.
Edit - I almost find it selfish of the abathur player. Just wait to play Abathur until you're in hero/team league. He is a curse in QM.
You don't understand Abathur. He's always with the team.
jaundicejuice
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I've had amazing QM with Abathur on my team, solo queue. Top hat can be so clutch. However the number of times I've been on a team comp can help an Aba, in theory, do well is super rare.
//ARCANUM
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I absolutely understand Abathur. I've been playing since Alpha. And I've played Abathur many times. He is *excellent* in a team game where you are communicating with your actual teammates. But in QM with a bunch of solo players who refuse to respond to anything via chat? He is a curse.
Dance Inferno
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Had some ups and downs today (mostly downs), but managed to end the night on a win with the GAF NA crew, so thanks for those games. I've started to upload my replays to hotslogs and I'm just wondering if anyone knows how many games you need to upload before your MMR calculation is accurate?
Falstad is amazing. I've played against a lot of bad Falstads and they can be worthless, but a good Falstad player can really swing fights. Global presence with his mount ability, an ult that can come out of nowhere and wipe a team, a solid escape, and you can even skill into a heal if you really want it. He may be my favorite character in the game actually.
Falstad is amazing. I've played against a lot of bad Falstads and they can be worthless, but a good Falstad player can really swing fights. Global presence with his mount ability, an ult that can come out of nowhere and wipe a team, a solid escape, and you can even skill into a heal if you really want it. He may be my favorite character in the game actually.
Dance Inferno
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looooooooooool
jaundicejuice
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Dat feel when you've played one game too many.
SargerusBR
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I'm in a 10 win streak. This never happened in any other MOBA i played 
That said i'm bound to lose horribly soon D:
That said i'm bound to lose horribly soon D:
WonkyPanda
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Finally got around to trying Azmodan. Holy crap. This dude is an absolute blast to play and his ability to carry and push a lane is uncanny. Is anyone else a better pusher than a properly spec'd Az?
Robo-Gaz? Not sure after the changes tho
So, I finally played this and I gotta thank Blizzard for taking their own direction with this title, not simply making a DOTA or LOL clone with Blizzard characters. The matches are designed to be quick and you don't have to develop unreal reflexes to get last hits and that stuff, something I didn't like when I tried DOTA2 some time ago. I suck and I'm a total noob in this genre but this game doesn't make me feel like I'm mentally handicapped while playing with other people.
I'm not saying by any means DOTA or LoL are bad games or that HOTS is the path everyone must follow, but I think this might be better suited for people who don't really care about being "pro", like me.
So far, I'm having fun with Tychus, tried some matches with Diablo, but I don't think I'm quick enough to handle a melee character. Bought Zagara and also liked her(?) long distance attacks, so I'll maybe try other specialists in the future. Favorite map so far is the pirate bay, great fun getting coins and defending the chest.
I'm not saying by any means DOTA or LoL are bad games or that HOTS is the path everyone must follow, but I think this might be better suited for people who don't really care about being "pro", like me.
So far, I'm having fun with Tychus, tried some matches with Diablo, but I don't think I'm quick enough to handle a melee character. Bought Zagara and also liked her(?) long distance attacks, so I'll maybe try other specialists in the future. Favorite map so far is the pirate bay, great fun getting coins and defending the chest.
Falstad might be the most underappreciated hero in the game. Every time I pick him I wonder why I just autopick the Jaina/Valla/Kael trio of assassins and not Falstad, his upgraded hammer is amazing and flight can keep him sustained very well.
Goddamn I need to play some Falstad today!
Also speaking of him, has anyone measured the basic attack speeds of all heroes? I could swear Flastad attacks faster after a few autohits on the same target.
Falstad is basically a bomber jet -- huge burst damage, terrifying suddenness, vulnerable when parked.
I just had a great game with him where my playstyle was essentially look for hotspot, fly into a nearby bush, pop out and get a double kill, push a wave or get an objective or whatever, hearthstone, repeat.
I just had a great game with him where my playstyle was essentially look for hotspot, fly into a nearby bush, pop out and get a double kill, push a wave or get an objective or whatever, hearthstone, repeat.
Quick Match doesn't allow no support vs support unless you queued as 5. You could have had Tassadar or Tyrande, possibly, which are lesser healers but you had to have had at least something. You got a screen of the team lineups from your profile?
You run into bad Murky more than bad Abathur? I rarely ever even see Murky good or bad (maybe 1 in 20 matches if that) but I see Abathur at least twice a night.
I'm not sure what you mean by sustain Murky. Maybe new players not understanding he requires sustained annoyance of the enemy to be effective? I mean he's not a hero putting out a ton of hero damage regularly unless people are dumb or your team has a wombo. If he's siege mode and never helping team fights I could see it I guess.
I don't know why you have to protect a Murky though. He's there and does best at being a buffer to protect everyone else with body blocks, slows and zoning and then the eventual follow up to finish fights. And at 10 he allows your team to more or less instantly delete an enemy and then at 20 he can instantly delete a good stable of heroes all by his lonesome so long as the Murky chose Octo.
The two Abathur's I see each night are often 50/50 at best and 0% winrate more than I'd like because of the comp RNG of matchmaking. He's far more reliant on a specific type of team to be effective IMO. Murky can make gold out of shit with just about any comp if it has damage and can stall the game late enough.
I hate getting the specialist quest, there's only 1 free specialist and I hate play that big turd azmo. Are there any fun specialists I should pick up? For an idea of what I like, i'm lvl 21, volla is my highest lvl at 8, and besides her I like playing nova raynor, and diablo so far.
Are there any fun specialists I should pick up? For an idea of what I like, i'm lvl 21, volla is my highest lvl at 8, and besides her I like playing nova raynor, and diablo so far.I hate getting the specialist quest, there's only 1 free specialist and I hate play that big turd azmo.
Zagara is the specialist I would recommend to any new player.
She is the strongest character in the game during the first five minutes, capable of bullying anyone out of a lane. Her creep tumours provide vision for all your team. Her heroic (Maw, never the other one) can swing team fights, and even late game she provides strong pushing power and significant sustained hero damage.
Nah, Falstad can swing a match with his abilities. Lightning rod can eat tanks and divers like nothing. And the map movement is incredible, he can fly when a teammate is in trouble and will usually win the fight with his aid.
Add in BW and him, it is always a 3v1 match up.
And on the topic of Murky, people don't understand him or they don't know how to use him.
He is there to start the fight and bait people to use abilities on him, and come back in to finish the job.
His main role is an initiator more than the tank themselves.
But a lot of people play him like a regular hero, running away like a coward and hoping the tank will start the fight...even though his egg is up.
A good Murky player can stall objectives, lower the enemy heroes HP down, break enemy position, and push aggressively with camp spam.
SpiceMelange
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Dem swings. From terrible all the way to imba in a match.
I'm glad you changed up your strategy. I was going to suggest if you keep losing due to zero support then *you* need to play as support rather than banging your head against a wall. If you solo queue then you have to pick a critical role or else you only have yourself to blame when someone else doesn't do it.well after a few games with no REAL heals, played Brightwing and won 3 in a row. Love her!!! (almost to 10 also)
That made the night better after the other 4 games
I have to explain this to my regular playmates, as well. Even when we play doubles or triples, unless we're a full team, we can only *depend* on one another. That means, at a minimum, 1 healer, 1 tank, and 1 solid dps. Leave the experimentation and such at the door...if you want to win. If you're just out to play for playing sake by all means do whatever floats your boat. I won't hold it against anyway to just play for fun but if you want to guarantee a win the formula is obvious: 1 healer and 1 tank at a minimum.
I really wish people would quit taking this view. Aside from the fact that heroes like abathur require proper communication (and without VOIP in-game, how can anyone really expect to communicate from players to abathur what needs to be done, or from abathur to players what he's trying to accomplish) but more importantly all heroes are not best suited for all maps.
The biggest problem with quick match that people don't seem to get isn't necessarily that it's going to team you up with completely random people with unpredictable role choices, but the maps are entirely unknown when you pick your hero. Solid hero picks depend on counter picking and the upcoming map. Some heroes are simply not good choices on certain maps. Abathur isn't even always a good pick even with a 5 stack. More than half the maps require *bodies* on the field, not just stats.
If I'm trying to cap a point does Abathur really make me worth 2 vs. the opponent when calculating the progress bar? Does he make my collision box twice as large when I go to body block someone? There's a lot more to this game than stats.
yeah after a few games I'm totally getting the hang of him now, holy shit so much burst
Those are the voice overs for when Abathur clones a hero. Everyone has one.
Alex
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I'm not much of a stream person, only watched a couple matches but honestly the teams I saw when I watched earlier in that they faced weren't all that great. One in particular could have been dismantled by a decent quick match squad. Didn't seem like a serious effort when you watch caster assassins face checking everything and leading charges.
TurtleSnatcher
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That's just Illidan doing his best Raiden impression.
SlickShoes
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I had a game yesterday with Uther(me), Tassadar, Azmodan, ETC and Joanna.
We all laughed at the start together and it took us 13 minutes to get our first kill of the enemy.
We laughed even harder at the end of the game as we had ended up beating the perfectly balanced team we were up against, none of us really knew how as our damage output was the lowest I have ever seen.
We all laughed at the start together and it took us 13 minutes to get our first kill of the enemy.
We laughed even harder at the end of the game as we had ended up beating the perfectly balanced team we were up against, none of us really knew how as our damage output was the lowest I have ever seen.
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