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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

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Maledict

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The problem is that (no insult intended):

1) they don't have the hero pool. Invariably the person on placement matches doesn't have the characters you need, and when they are your first pick slot and have to choose Raynor as a ranged dos it's incredibly infuriating.

2) far too often they are in the match because they were on a win streak, and they aren't actually at that level of play. In particular, people on placement matches seem to not get map strategy.

In February they updated the matchmaker so that rank 1s would almost always get matched just with rank 1 to 4s (http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/20420284911#1). Up until the tracer patch I never encountered anyone in placement matches in my hero league games - now it's literally almost every game. Something changed.

Waste of a moan really as ranks are going soon thank gods, but it is frustrating!
 

Ketch

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The problem is that (no insult intended):

1) they don't have the hero pool. Invariably the person on placement matches doesn't have the characters you need, and when they are your first pick slot and have to choose Raynor as a ranged dos it's incredibly infuriating.

2) far too often they are in the match because they were on a win streak, and they aren't actually at that level of play. In particular, people on placement matches seem to not get map strategy.

In February they updated the matchmaker so that rank 1s would almost always get matched just with rank 1 to 4s (http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/20420284911#1). Up until the tracer patch I never encountered anyone in placement matches in my hero league games - now it's literally almost every game. Something changed.

Waste of a moan really as ranks are going soon thank gods, but it is frustrating!

yea the thing that changed is there's a bunch more people playing hero league because they want to get the mount.


i would still need like 18 games with a 5 stack and I dont have the time right now. So you only need TL 40 to get the good mount? that seems... bogus
 

Maledict

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That's what the rewards screen definitely says - and given you can't even lose points until rank 40, means it really is just a case of grinding it out. You're guaranteed to get it if you keep playing.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
That's what the rewards screen definitely says - and given you can't even lose points until rank 40, means it really is just a case of grinding it out. You're guaranteed to get it if you keep playing.

Yeah that's been my plan this whole weekend. And I only got like 5 more left to do. Then I can see where I place and how much more grinding I will have to do.

Who still needs to do TL matches btw? I need to KO mine.

Me. But I don't see you on when I'm on very much.
 
The XP jump required to go from level 9 to 10 is monumental. Takes forever.

Any chance they'll start raising player level caps to award more gold?
 
So I did it, I dove in and purchased the Vikings. I hit lvl 5 with them yesterday, and won every game I played with them, they're clicking with me.

It's so refreshing to play such a different hero, and it's like playing an RTS in Heroes. It can be really stressful to manage at times though, and I feel like they still experience "Specialist syndrome", where you're judged immensely if you perform any less than great.

I've got the basics down (I think), but does anyone have any advanced tips for Vikings?
 

Alur

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So this Dota 2 mod for a complete Heroes of the Storm map/mode (insert "you can finally play all the heroes for free joke!" huehue)...pretty neat that he did this.

But why Haunted Mines, man? WHY?

When's the cut off? Will you guys still want to do it after this week?

I think the patch is launching June 14th, so you have until then. And yeah, I'll do some, but to do it you will probably have to be on for longer periods than you normally are. Just takes too long to put together (and sometimes queue) to do very much in an hour or less and actually finish the placements in a reasonable amount of time.

Also OW next week, so not sure that'll be the best time.

I've got the basics down (I think), but does anyone have any advanced tips for Vikings?

No, but you can tell me your basic ones. :D Can climb up the ranked ladder but can't micro 3 vikings. FeelsBadMan

Milly loves it when I play Vikings. /s
 
No, but you can tell me your basic ones. :D Can climb up the ranked ladder but can't micro 3 vikings. FeelsBadMan

Milly loves it when I play Vikings. /s

Knowing when to group up some or all of your Vikings is key, as well as always be soaking (even during objectives) to get to lvl 10 is key. Having Erik or Baleog helping an objective while you have 1 or 2 of the other vikings in lanes really helps build that sweet, sweet level lead. Taking Bribe at lvl 1 on maps with a lot of siege camps helps maintain that push as well. For their trait, be sure to religiously grab those regen globes no matter what, as the health regen in the late-game will mean you'll probably never have to tap a fountain again.

In terms of Heroic choice, I always take "Play Again". It's incredibly useful in team fights and constantly soaking around the map, and it becomes absurdly powerful once you take "Impatience is a Virtue" at lvl 16.

In terms of basic management, I found that double-tapping one of the number keys assigned to each Viking takes you immediately to said Viking. Double-tapping keys to bounce around the map has become invaluable to me.

Above all, XP is what makes the Vikings king. I hit 31k XP contribution in one game, and never had less than 25k in the games I played over the weekend. As long as your teammates know what the Vikings are capable of, you'll likely enter every teamfight or objective with a lvl lead or even a talent lead too over the enemy team.

P.S. I'm still new to Vikings, but these are the things that stuck out to me :)
 

brian!

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Count out olaf slow/stun in your head and dont waste it if you think you will need it soon

Use z to bodyblock

You dont need one viking in each lane

Oh also really important, work on having good map awareness and predicting enemy movements, worst thing early is having your viking be the only one in a lane and having it die and losing the soak (which is why against certain comps where it's pretty certain that a viking will get picked off/zoned from exp that it's fine to have a backup viking ready to pick up tge soak), also work on viking rotations which involves covering your team and assigning appropriate vikings to appropriate lanes (olaf best near the rest of the team to provide cc and drawing aggro, baelog best at pushing/clearing in a vacuum, erik best at bribing camps).

Dont forget that olaf heals up any dmg he takes after ~4 secs, so in a skirmish if he is taking dmg not for free that's a win, additionally it is very good for him to soak spells in a larger fight (in fact if you can get them to blow any important cds on a single viking it's a win)
 

Milly79

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I'm more than down to play team league whenever I'm on. I highly prefer it to a 5 stack QM or HL at this point. That's all I've really did the last week is play TL when I'm on. The game has become too stale otherwise. I've met a ton of new people through it as well. There is also a chat channel for people looking for teams.

/join team league
 

Maledict

Member
I'm just glad my little group had a spate of team league games a while back, so I went in at rank 8 or something like that. Haven't played it since but its enough to get most of the rewards at least! ;-)
 

Alavard

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The XP jump required to go from level 9 to 10 is monumental. Takes forever.

Any chance they'll start raising player level caps to award more gold?

I doubt it specifically because of the gold rewards coming from HL/TL rank rewards at the end of Preseason. Since they're already adding a gold gain in that form, and presumably will keep it up in future seasons, I don't see them adding another soon.
 

kirblar

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So I did it, I dove in and purchased the Vikings. I hit lvl 5 with them yesterday, and won every game I played with them, they're clicking with me.

It's so refreshing to play such a different hero, and it's like playing an RTS in Heroes. It can be really stressful to manage at times though, and I feel like they still experience "Specialist syndrome", where you're judged immensely if you perform any less than great.

I've got the basics down (I think), but does anyone have any advanced tips for Vikings?
Got yelled at by an idiot BW when we lost a game, even though the only reason we lost was the Syl running off and doing mercs both times we won a fight and could end the game.
 
Got yelled at by an idiot BW when we lost a game, even though the only reason we lost was the Syl running off and doing mercs both times we won a fight and could end the game.

Yeah, that's the dreaded "Specialist Syndrome" for ya. I can understand the frustration of solo-queuing with an Abathur in QM, but the Vikings are pretty flexible with many comps IMO.

That pressure of getting shit on if you're not performing fantastically is incredibly annoying.
 

Alur

Member
I'm just glad my little group had a spate of team league games a while back, so I went in at rank 8 or something like that. Haven't played it since but its enough to get most of the rewards at least! ;-)

That's pretty good. I think my main is 20 or 21, but we play with randoms mainly and no voice.

Like Milly said, it's a nice to have another thing to do.

Man, the salt in ranked is amazing.

You still placements or what rank are you at? There's a Mendoza line somewhere around rank 15-10 where the toxicity quells because people begin to feel like they belong there (or are climbing) as opposed to being stuck there. Same thing with hitting somewhere around 2400-2500 MMR in general. The games get a little better, comps make more sense, toxicity isn't as common, and disconnects are much more rare.

People bitching that I took medivac instead of stim on cursed hollow. Jeez.

Seems to be the norm. I don't think a lot of players understand how Medivac works and I've had people just wander off from mine instead of taking a free ride. Just requires a little more coordination and planning than people are used to I guess.
 

Cerato

Neo Member
I tanked my rank intentionally to 25 so I could queue kerrigan or arthas without feeling like I was letting someone down.

Kinda backfired!

People are not nicer, and they're much worse at playing. It's a terrible combination.
 

kirblar

Member
I tanked my rank intentionally to 25 so I could queue kerrigan or arthas without feeling like I was letting someone down.

Kinda backfired!

People are not nicer, and they're much worse at playing. It's a terrible combination.
So you were throwing games deliberately?
 

Celegus

Member
Got yelled at by an idiot BW when we lost a game, even though the only reason we lost was the Syl running off and doing mercs both times we won a fight and could end the game.
This is the reason I want Blackheart's dumpstered. Too many throws because someone does nothing but get camps solo the whole time. Even better when it's our only frontliner (Arthas) and he dies trying to solo the bruiser camp. People are way too obsessed with those things.
 

Milly79

Member
Was listening to last weeks Core and a caller mentioned a map where a lane "floods". He referenced a SC themed map with lava flooding the lane or a 1k needles WoW map where water floods it. Sounds sick. What do you guys think?
 

Alavard

Member
Was listening to last weeks Core and a caller mentioned a map where a lane "floods". He referenced a SC themed map with lava flooding the lane or a 1k needles WoW map where water floods it. Sounds sick. What do you guys think?

I think the lava-rising map is probably the most iconic and easiest to remember mission in all of Starcraft 2, and it's also a unique mechanic to what we current have, so you'd think it would be a shoe-in as a map in hots. There are also tons of ideas for Starcraft maps though, so it might not be what makes the cut.
 
Was listening to last weeks Core and a caller mentioned a map where a lane "floods". He referenced a SC themed map with lava flooding the lane or a 1k needles WoW map where water floods it. Sounds sick. What do you guys think?

That would be awesome. Add in a solid objective and that could easily be a community favorite.
 
Was listening to last weeks Core and a caller mentioned a map where a lane "floods". He referenced a SC themed map with lava flooding the lane or a 1k needles WoW map where water floods it. Sounds sick. What do you guys think?

death by map hazards sounds terrible, its the worst part of Smash Bros and all other competitive games.

blocking the lane off by hazards could work, but using lava makes it sound like it could OHK.
 

Cerato

Neo Member
So you were throwing games deliberately?

I basically just picked Kerrigan, because that's my favorite character. And I just kept picking her until I hit an equilibrium. At 25, I'm better on kerrigan than anybody is on just about anything.

You could make a philosophical argument that that's a throw, but I never tried to lose within a match.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
I basically just picked Kerrigan, because that's my favorite character. And I just kept picking her until I hit an equilibrium. At 25, I'm better on kerrigan than anybody is on just about anything.

You could make a philosophical argument that that's a throw, but I never tried to lose within a match.


if you choose a character you're not good at then that's the equivalent of a throw.


anyway, im in the dredges of the high 30s rank-wise. Its win 2, lose 2, win 3, lose 4. its not much better than Quick Match and its hard to break out
 

Cerato

Neo Member
Sure, but in QM you wind up with insane comps. If you want to play your favorite character but within sane team builds, HL is the alternative. I thought "Well, I'll just keep picking her until I'm not a liability, and then I can play my favorite character and not be matched against 5 assassins."

But at 25, people actually care MORE than at 15, and they play much worse.
 

Cerato

Neo Member
Also, for the sake of discussion, out of all rank 10s:

What proportion do you think got there based on a thorough understanding of the meta game, good draft choices, and high skill

And what proportion do you think got there riding an overtuned hero?
 
Man, the salt in ranked is amazing.

Agreed. I hit a point where I actually questioned if I did something wrong when someone said they reported me for taking all dps talents as Muradin. I looked through the talents like ten times, even though I know them, to figure out WTF they were talking about. My friend had to talk me down because I started seriously doubting I knew what I was doing. I gotta stop trusting randoms.
 

brian!

Member
There's only so far you can ride an overtuned hero, i dont really know anything about what players look like at rank 10
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
if anyone is interested in TL tonight, i'll be on @ around 8:30 PM Pacific. i'll ask in the neogaf chat who wants to group
 

Isaccard

Member
You still placements or what rank are you at? There's a Mendoza line somewhere around rank 15-10 where the toxicity quells because people begin to feel like they belong there (or are climbing) as opposed to being stuck there. Same thing with hitting somewhere around 2400-2500 MMR in general. The games get a little better, comps make more sense, toxicity isn't as common, and disconnects are much more rare.

Rank 47, won only 3 placement games, I played safe. I followed instructions, and pings, but wasnt enough for some people

Agreed. I hit a point where I actually questioned if I did something wrong when someone said they reported me for taking all dps talents as Muradin. I looked through the talents like ten times, even though I know them, to figure out WTF they were talking about. My friend had to talk me down because I started seriously doubting I knew what I was doing. I gotta stop trusting randoms.


I laughed my ass off at this for a good 3 minutes, seriously, the rage in ranked tickles me like nothing else which really contributes to my enjoyment of this game; I think its hilarious
 

Celegus

Member
Also, for the sake of discussion, out of all rank 10s:

What proportion do you think got there based on a thorough understanding of the meta game, good draft choices, and high skill

And what proportion do you think got there riding an overtuned hero?

I started out at like 30 and didn't have any major slides backwards, currently rank 9. Mostly played Leoric, Kharazim, Johanna and Lunara. It's not because they're considered OP, but I've hardly ever enjoyed playing the highest rated heroes.
 

Ketch

Member
missed opportunity for blizz to put her out today.


chromie comes early...........................................................
 

Alur

Member
Sure, but in QM you wind up with insane comps. If you want to play your favorite character but within sane team builds, HL is the alternative. I thought "Well, I'll just keep picking her until I'm not a liability, and then I can play my favorite character and not be matched against 5 assassins."

But at 25, people actually care MORE than at 15, and they play much worse.

Stuffing Kerrigan into any comp in Hero League = the equivalent of "insane" QM comps.

She's not particularly strong and is fairly easily countered which is why she isn't a regular pick. If the draft lines up she can be a monster. If it doesn't, you're basically condemning your team to babysitting you while you YOLO or you're sitting on the outside not doing your job/unable to do it.

The most polite way I could put this is that whatever trolls or misadventures you encounter at rank 25 or wherever you sabotaged yourself to, you deserve. You wanted to play one single hero and there's a mode designed just for that. You don't like the comps, so you tried to force that hero into slightly more reasonable comps...thereby making many of those HL comps into QM fare versus a comp that makes sense in the meta. What you're saying you did is the exact same thing people complain about ad nauseam here and on reddit. "First pick locked in Abathur." "Last pick locked in Nova and we had no support" etc etc

More power to you for finding a hero you like and wanting to stick with it. But forcing that hero every time you pick in Hero League is not a very nice experience for your teammates and I really struggle seeing how it could be nice for you. Surely you've been flamed for it, and obviously you lost a bunch as you said you fell down the ranks.

Also, for the sake of discussion, out of all rank 10s:

What proportion do you think got there based on a thorough understanding of the meta game, good draft choices, and high skill

And what proportion do you think got there riding an overtuned hero?

I don't think many get to ranked 10 and stay there long without some kind of understanding. I do think perhaps you are approaching it the wrong way, however.

Plenty of people know a good deal about the game and it's synergies and strategies pretty well yet are nowhere near rank 1 or even rank 10. On the other hand, there's others who are high ranked but don't understand the "guts" of it as well, but they can play. You don't gotta have a thorough understanding to get to rank 10 or better, you just have to have some skill at gaming, a general understanding, and some common sense.

Anyone who gets to an inflated rank through a lucky run in placement is likely going to fall back. The only exception is if you are rank 1 material, but on the low end of the rank 1 spread, but you had a huge run and have very highly inflated MMR while in rank 1. Odds are you'd stay in the rank, but you'd move from the top or the middle to the back. It's pretty hard to ride an overpowered hero to the top now thanks to bans, but it also was before to some degree because of the randomness of pick order. I think you could easily do so if you had a hero pool where you only played the best two heroes of each classification when you had to fill, but then you would probably have a decent understanding of the meta and a good grasp on multiple heroes if you were doing that and therefore likely have a better MMR because of that as much as the strong heroes you were picking.

Rank 21 with 4 points to next rank... ah, damn it.

What rank are you trying to get to? You'll have bonus points for a bit now, so you basically get 200-300 points per win and only lose 100 points per loss so if you do nothing better than .500 for the next bit you'll still be able to move up. That'll last you another 20-30 games at least if not more. I can't remember TBH.
 
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