He's currently really schizophrenic design wise. Falstad lets you go "mage or AA" in a way that makes sense- Tychus feels like he should be all in on AAs and isn't.
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BreezyLimbo
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Turret ult is great for maps with point objectives.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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If people don't get rid of it as they should, it's not exactly beefy.
DaMasta113
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How is this game doing? I mean numbers-wise. Is the player base growing? Has it made a dent in LoL or DOTA2?
I haven't heard much from Blizzard regarding the future of this game.
I haven't heard much from Blizzard regarding the future of this game.
We don't have any numbers. None have been released. HOTSlogs uploads indicate it's very, very slowly growing but not everyone uses that so its just a sample of the population. Twitch numbers are meh outside of tournaments.
I don't know that you could say it's made a dent in League or Dota. I'm sure it probably stole some very casual players, but on the whole it's a much smaller population. That's kind of to be expected, though, I guess.
The game is healthy, however. There are plenty of players and it certainly appears that Blizz is raking in the dough regardless. It's not like an abandoned MMO if that's what you're asking. It's just not the juggernaut people had hoped it would be. A few key features a little earlier and a better release and the game would arguably be considerably more popular. Kind of remains to be seen how those features will affect the population once they are in.
I don't know that you could say it's made a dent in League or Dota. I'm sure it probably stole some very casual players, but on the whole it's a much smaller population. That's kind of to be expected, though, I guess.
The game is healthy, however. There are plenty of players and it certainly appears that Blizz is raking in the dough regardless. It's not like an abandoned MMO if that's what you're asking. It's just not the juggernaut people had hoped it would be. A few key features a little earlier and a better release and the game would arguably be considerably more popular. Kind of remains to be seen how those features will affect the population once they are in.
Venus Van Dam
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Yeah I'm waiting too.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Wtf greymane nerfs
Inexplicably? Not at all.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Just glad they didn't completely neuter Ming by reducing her range. The nerfs are fine by me.
Do they actually think Greymane's talents are in a healthy state they could nerf his 1 well performing build.
Maw nerf was long overdue
Multishot nerf is just dumb.
Kharazim might enable him to take cleanse now.
It's a buff to AA which no one build her into and there are just other heroes who can do that better. Unless that makes it viable nerfing multishot is nerfing Valla. Puncturing Arrow also got no buffs.
Do they actually think Greymane's talents are in a healthy state they could nerf his 1 well performing build.
Maw nerf was long overdue
Multishot nerf is just dumb.
Kharazim might enable him to take cleanse now.
It's a buff to AA which no one build her into and there are just other heroes who can do that better. Unless that makes it viable nerfing multishot is nerfing Valla. Puncturing Arrow also got no buffs.
Valla nerf?
They decreased the damage on one ability while increasing the damage on her trait, her auto-attacks, a few talents, and one ultimate. I think she got buffed.
Glad to see the maw change. It's an annoying ult.
That's what I was getting at with Greymane. He had the one build because it was the only one that you could survive playing, but now they targeted it to get people to diversify without giving something else in return. Not sure I understand that.
And yeah, Valla mana fix would do so much for her =/
That's what I was getting at with Greymane. He had the one build because it was the only one that you could survive playing, but now they targeted it to get people to diversify without giving something else in return. Not sure I understand that.
And yeah, Valla mana fix would do so much for her =/
Falstad changes - great. Scarily similar to what I posted yesterday. Surprised at the lack of gust change.
Greymane - bullshit. He's a great character, the fact he only has one build is a flaw in the damn talents and base ability. This is really, really dumb.
Kharazim - excellent changes all round, hopefully frees up 7 a bit more. Now do the same for Brghtwing...;-)
Artanis - why won't they just bite the bullet, admit the kit is broken, and implement the baseline charge like they even acknowledge in the patch note? Boosting his power level won't help when his fundamental issue is he isn't fun to play until 16.
Li-Ming - all seems sensible. That 60% slow was ludicrous given the power of other slows in the game.
Valla - not sure, still think they need to address mana costs.
Sonya - probably deserved, it was an effective 'do 40% more damage' heroic with that cooldown.
Greymane - bullshit. He's a great character, the fact he only has one build is a flaw in the damn talents and base ability. This is really, really dumb.
Kharazim - excellent changes all round, hopefully frees up 7 a bit more. Now do the same for Brghtwing...;-)
Artanis - why won't they just bite the bullet, admit the kit is broken, and implement the baseline charge like they even acknowledge in the patch note? Boosting his power level won't help when his fundamental issue is he isn't fun to play until 16.
Li-Ming - all seems sensible. That 60% slow was ludicrous given the power of other slows in the game.
Valla - not sure, still think they need to address mana costs.
Sonya - probably deserved, it was an effective 'do 40% more damage' heroic with that cooldown.
Hes a 100% pick rate in Korea, no?
I don't think they balance based on the Korean meta. He's not 100% elsewhere, and less reliable still in the hands of the population who actually pay the bills by playing.
They clearly want him to diversify but players already went that route when he released (trying to go AA with W and/or straight worgen) and it just wasn't viable. The nerf just doesn't make a whole lot of sense in that context when they didn't give something besides a small AA damage buff in return.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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The AA buff could make his W the preferred build if only.
Liquid's Cris is testing right now, WQ at 16 lost like 200 damage.
Liquid's Cris is testing right now, WQ at 16 lost like 200 damage.
In this case, it really didn't look like Korea was wrong, though- he's been pretty absurd in US/EU game as well.
Safe poke builds being the "best" build makes sense as a balance concern in general though- he and Valla just got hit with nerfs explicitly trying to make players "go in" more.
Safe poke builds being the "best" build makes sense as a balance concern in general though- he and Valla just got hit with nerfs explicitly trying to make players "go in" more.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Considering missiles are basically her auto attacks that's plenty.
they would have been fine if they looked at his other talents and touched them up or made them more interesting.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Why the hell did Falstad of all people need a buff and Valla of all people need a - excuse me, "adjustment"
Why fix what isn't broken, especially when they fix something they have to rebreak it worse than it was before they touched it
Expected that Abathur mine change after all the whining recently. I don't expect it to make much difference, mines are utility and a map-based distraction, a small change to the slow doesn't really affect it's viability, the duration affects its utility but again, it's there to piss people off, interrupt their flow, and make them want to take the wrong route to an objective. Carapace buff is nice but meaningless considering no one is going symbiote build if they are going mine build. Time to see if Symbiote build is still wildly unpredictably shit in QM, I guess.
Why fix what isn't broken, especially when they fix something they have to rebreak it worse than it was before they touched it
Expected that Abathur mine change after all the whining recently. I don't expect it to make much difference, mines are utility and a map-based distraction, a small change to the slow doesn't really affect it's viability, the duration affects its utility but again, it's there to piss people off, interrupt their flow, and make them want to take the wrong route to an objective. Carapace buff is nice but meaningless considering no one is going symbiote build if they are going mine build. Time to see if Symbiote build is still wildly unpredictably shit in QM, I guess.
thank goodness
I think it's okay to take some damage of Gm's Q, but that seems like a lot....
and I guess they just really want falstad to be the best assassin in the game.
How do people build artanis? Cuss to me it looks they just straight buffed all of the talents that I pick anyway, so I'm not sure how that creates diversity.
Iunno ppl spam it too much for no purpose, but id have to see how the nerf works in practice so you might be right, id be more rdy to agree if it was just on missles itself and not on mirrorball
Agree totally on gmane, im into a big nerf on q (wish it were bigger or they reworked the q talents), but weird that this is all that happened, unless there is some hype auto build im missing
Fine Ham Abounds
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I really think Falstad needed a buff like Xul needs a buff
Sonya nerf can only be good news
Li Ming changes should be fine, though personally I didn't consider her that much of a problem anymore outside of laning with Xul, until she hit 20 - which they've thankfully addressed now
I guess I just feel like so much of this patch is out of left field, almost like someone is justifying their job rather than trying to address bigger issues
Sonya nerf can only be good news
Li Ming changes should be fine, though personally I didn't consider her that much of a problem anymore outside of laning with Xul, until she hit 20 - which they've thankfully addressed now
I guess I just feel like so much of this patch is out of left field, almost like someone is justifying their job rather than trying to address bigger issues
I think that's the issue though, you don't need to build him for auto attacks or worgen form because the base kit just does so much fuckin damage.
If they want to increase his talent diversity they should give him some talents he needs like some sustainability or defensive ability or something.
I think there are some talents that are bad in a way where if you just played better you wouldn't need them, for example: Cooldown reduction on Greymane's W - if you just don't waste your W then you don't need this talent. And it's not like it doesn't just let you use your W more often but you could pick something else, not waste your W, and kind of have like two talents for the price of of you know what I mean?
It's like play again vikings, or apocalypse after diablo dies... I think it's just way better to get a different talent and then just not feed (it's a little different because you can't always control if you die). Or Monk's lvl 20 palm upgrade..... just don't waste your palm and you're way better off. They should make the lvl 20 palm upgrade 2 charges.
Yeah doing damage has never been his issue. It's surviving the engage so you can utilize it that is hard with a non-Q focused build.
EDIT: also regarding cocktail, it should always hit just like the talent at 4 or 7 (I forget which level) allows it to do. A damage nerf and that added baseline would've made sense. Makes no sense that it doesn't always explode anyway...it just magically gets sucked into the ether.
EDIT: also regarding cocktail, it should always hit just like the talent at 4 or 7 (I forget which level) allows it to do. A damage nerf and that added baseline would've made sense. Makes no sense that it doesn't always explode anyway...it just magically gets sucked into the ether.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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From what I've seen play again is actually used in EU to teleport vikings across the map as much as to res them. Doesn't hurt that it also heals the caster.
Triple vikings spin to win on one target hurts.
Generally on die talents suck, though Korea loved the one that gives tyrale's trait abilities.
Triple vikings spin to win on one target hurts.
Generally on die talents suck, though Korea loved the one that gives tyrale's trait abilities.
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