Thx will watch a little bit later.
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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
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Thx will watch a little bit later.
is that why its legendary?
edit: jesus, apparently one of TGN Squadron members had all her streaming shit
she cant unsiege but she can use the mount boosters if they are up since its a mount.
You can Z while sieged?
How else would you get the fuck out of dodge when ganked?
those must have been some dark days
we had a kickass Hammer in a game today, sniping fools left and right with the bullet ult.
How else would you get the fuck out of dodge when ganked?
Pretty sure you used to not be able to get out without hitting E.
Alpha Centauri
Member
Just had a diamond 2 who took sylv specifically for solo lane. It failed (of course). I tried to have the allied Tassadar switch lanes and solo but nobody would listen
Next two games were shit shows too.
FeelsBad
Next two games were shit shows too.
FeelsBad
I thought so too but then I can't find it in the patch notes.
At some point they changed Z.
lets drop the b-
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It's been really nice getting back into HotS now that I have a functioning laptop again. The event is a lot of fun and has been pushing me to play at least a few rounds per day. Coming from Overwatch, the drop rates are actually sort of nice too. I also love the HotS 2.0 system - the account leveling makes way more sense and it's nice to be rewarded for trying different characters.
Speaking of Overwatch - I'm loving how they translated these characters into HotS. You play them basically the same way as in OW and you do fine. Zarya and D.Va in particular are a blast (it helps that they are some of my most-used characters in OW too).
One question - is there any way to actually find matches in quick play? I've been playing a lot of co-op against the AI but it'd be nice to actually play other people. Every time I try, it's a long wait (and always has been). I assume most people are in draft/ranked?
Speaking of Overwatch - I'm loving how they translated these characters into HotS. You play them basically the same way as in OW and you do fine. Zarya and D.Va in particular are a blast (it helps that they are some of my most-used characters in OW too).
One question - is there any way to actually find matches in quick play? I've been playing a lot of co-op against the AI but it'd be nice to actually play other people. Every time I try, it's a long wait (and always has been). I assume most people are in draft/ranked?
Okay team, how do we nerf genji without removing him from the game?
I think reduce his HP
Remove the dodge talent, or make it one charge instead of 3
Cannot ninja flip (D) for 3 seconds after taking damage
Change lvl 20 dragon blade to: getting a kill instead of just a hit to extend the duration
Couple more radical ideas:
Don't let his E go through terrain or buildings
Make his heroic charge based like tracers, but still only available at lvl 10.... then they can adjust the charge rate to further balance.
I think reduce his HP
Remove the dodge talent, or make it one charge instead of 3
Cannot ninja flip (D) for 3 seconds after taking damage
Change lvl 20 dragon blade to: getting a kill instead of just a hit to extend the duration
Couple more radical ideas:
Don't let his E go through terrain or buildings
Make his heroic charge based like tracers, but still only available at lvl 10.... then they can adjust the charge rate to further balance.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
you should find a match in under a minute generally.
You find games really fast, if you're solo queuing it should be a matter of seconds.
Playing vs AI matches doesn't give you any kind of mmr adjustment, so maybe you just need to play more QM until the game has a decent enough idea of your skill level so that it can have a pool of similar players to put you in.
The most people play Quick Match, actually. It goes QM > HL > Unranked > TL.
You shouldn't be seeing super long queue times, especially after the changes a while back. When you say long are you talking 3-4 minutes or like 10 minutes? Because one of those is actually long and the other is not.
At starting MMR you may still encounter some longer times than most of the population. I can't remember why that was happening, but even though that area of the MMR scale has by far the most players there was something in the algorithm that was causing a bit longer times by a minute or two. As Prelude said it may be also because you have no adjustment whatsoever yet. It may have been fixed when they did some of their changes a while back, I don't know for sure.
At any rate, when you select a hero you can see what the estimated wait time to play that hero is. If you're consistently doubling or tripling that, you might want to look at what server you're connecting to versus your current timezone.
Orochinagis
Member
Falstad hits really hard, I haven noticed how much damage he can do
Outdoor Miner
Member
Went like 1-8 last night with my 2 buds. Holy fucking shit that was terrible. We usually hang around a 50-55% winrate.
scoobs
Member
These changes have to happen.
He's got 400 more base HP than Tracer, makes no sense.. The E range has to be nerfed too, he is way too safe in all situations and it makes no sense. Dodge makes him a hard counter to AA hereos, while he was already totally safe to dive on mages. Makes no sense. Nothing makes sense.
scoobs
Member
Still think he's got too much health, and dodge will always be the pick as long as it exists (assuming they dont nerf it into uselessness) because it lets him dive on anyone without repercussion. Agree on the dblade CD, reasonable nerf. The lvl 20 upgrade continues to be a problem in that case though. Infinite dblade shouldn't be a thing.
Imo
The lvl 20 is alright, it lets him get isolated targets but doesnt help him in grouped fights outside of allowing him to weave in and out and have dblade up longer, which is def good but also worth a lvl 20 upgrade. The dodge is really strong but it's for nulling autos, that's it, it doesnt save him from a bad engage and the main issue for it is that it makes 1v1ing him oppressive. It should get nerfed but i feel like ppl mainly reacting to situations where dodge fukked them over.
I dont really feel like he needs less health but i cant really rationalize tracer health vs. genji health, tracer in this weird spot where it's alright for her to have low health cuz her autos work well w/ tass but that's not necessarily a good thing
The lvl 20 is alright, it lets him get isolated targets but doesnt help him in grouped fights outside of allowing him to weave in and out and have dblade up longer, which is def good but also worth a lvl 20 upgrade. The dodge is really strong but it's for nulling autos, that's it, it doesnt save him from a bad engage and the main issue for it is that it makes 1v1ing him oppressive. It should get nerfed but i feel like ppl mainly reacting to situations where dodge fukked them over.
I dont really feel like he needs less health but i cant really rationalize tracer health vs. genji health, tracer in this weird spot where it's alright for her to have low health cuz her autos work well w/ tass but that's not necessarily a good thing
They can make the lvl 20 give extra duration enough to get 2 more swipes off baseline and then get enough for 2 more swipes on reset.
I feel like his abilities need to be more focused on "time to go in cus I can get the kill" instead of "time to go in cus I'm genji lul". His disengage is so completely free even if you're trash garbage on the hero, there's no risk. Like ever.
His Hp could be fine if they went all the way on the resets.
Maybe like changing ninja flip so it only reloads after getting a takedown or mounting up (with a lvl 1 talent).
Shurikens only recharging one charge at a time, but you get all 3 when you participate in a takedown.
having to charge up the heroic, and it charges slowly from auto attacks, but gets a big chunk (like 25%) from takedowns.
Then genji can still be genji shit, but it would actually be impressive instead of just a freely given.
I feel like his abilities need to be more focused on "time to go in cus I can get the kill" instead of "time to go in cus I'm genji lul". His disengage is so completely free even if you're trash garbage on the hero, there's no risk. Like ever.
His Hp could be fine if they went all the way on the resets.
Maybe like changing ninja flip so it only reloads after getting a takedown or mounting up (with a lvl 1 talent).
Shurikens only recharging one charge at a time, but you get all 3 when you participate in a takedown.
having to charge up the heroic, and it charges slowly from auto attacks, but gets a big chunk (like 25%) from takedowns.
Then genji can still be genji shit, but it would actually be impressive instead of just a freely given.
That's how he's supposed to work though, he's a sweeper/cleaner.
Noooo
It would effectively turn the most fun hero into one of the least fun heroes, li ming without the poke and lazer
he at least needs to be able to wait for stun cds to be down, e through the fight, isolate a backliner, cause the front line to turn back for peel, and get away, like maybe he was initially meant to be a vulture but they got something real fun going on with his current playstyle
It would effectively turn the most fun hero into one of the least fun heroes, li ming without the poke and lazer
he at least needs to be able to wait for stun cds to be down, e through the fight, isolate a backliner, cause the front line to turn back for peel, and get away, like maybe he was initially meant to be a vulture but they got something real fun going on with his current playstyle
At least you completed that quest. That's a win right there.
Yeah, I picked a good game to test the lv4 Thrall quest. Fucking Auriel's Es.
Yea. It is real fun. But the problem is it's fun because it works better then anybody else. As long as they don't have two stuns ready for me I get to chunk the back line risk free.
Like you just described what zeratul wants to do in a nut shell right? And zera is a goooood fucking hero right? But even zeratul doesn't get to do shit as free as genji and he's invisible.
Genji gets it waaaaay too easy. You don't have a small window, you don't even have to hit the skill shot, you don't need a heroic.... hell, you only need 1 talent to make it work.
I'm down with what you're saying, I'm down for having uniquely strong heroes, I don't advocate nerfs. but It's so brain dead that it's almost not even fun to play anymore and I'm not even good at the hero.
Imagine how much more awesome it would feel if you had to like save up your resources for that critical moment, a charged up heroic or some kind of gathering power mechanic.... instead of just we'll this rotation I was able to kill everybody instead of just two people.
I mean you can play him really smart and maximize a bunch, but you just don't have to. I just feel like nobody can stop me, the only time I die is when I E into forts + 3 heroes, and even then it's still a trade.
scoobs
Member
If the other team is lucky enough to get Uther and Varian then you can die pretty easy to a stun chain but that is about it.
Sure but so does everybody.