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Hex MMOTCG Kickstarter by Cryptozoic Entertainment [Complete, ~$2.5 million funded]
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They already made some statement regarding extra slots, or even new Tiers, saying that they would not be doing that.
That's from their Kickstarter page.
So for anyone considering picking one of those up, better decide quickly!
Edit:
Yeah. And it takes 3 boosters and 1$ to enter, so you already save 52$ just by entering once a week.
I'm sure this has already been asked, but I searched through the thread and skimmed through the site and I couldn't find any answers..
Anyone know if you can mix colors for your deck? In the game play video on their site it seemed like there wasn't a second main phase, which seems silly
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I think it's interesting that some of these rewards for the high end tiers offer basically thousands of cards.... if the game is going to launch with 350 cards in it, how many reprints do they think people will want?
Or are they actually just vouchers that can be turned in for free starters/boosters whenever you want to redeem them?
Anyone know if you can mix colors for your deck? In the game play video on their site it seemed like there wasn't a second main phase, which seems silly
.I think it's interesting that some of these rewards for the high end tiers offer basically thousands of cards.... if the game is going to launch with 350 cards in it, how many reprints do they think people will want?
Or are they actually just vouchers that can be turned in for free starters/boosters whenever you want to redeem them?
It says that in one of the updates. It was originally a stretch goal for 1,5mil but the interest in those other 250$ Tiers was rather low, so they added the 1 year of drafts to make them more interesting.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game/posts/488512
The other $250 tiers get a free draft per week for one year on top of their other benefits.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game/posts/489732
I'm sure this has already been asked, but I searched through the thread and skimmed through the site and I couldn't find any answers..
Anyone know if you can mix colors for your deck? In the game play video on their site it seemed like there wasn't a second main phase, which seems silly
I think it's interesting that some of these rewards for the high end tiers offer basically thousands of cards.... if the game is going to launch with 350 cards in it, how many reprints do they think people will want?
Or are they actually just vouchers that can be turned in for free starters/boosters whenever you want to redeem them?
You can have multicolor decks.
The packs you get are Set 1 but you can trade them off/use for drafts.
Thanks Ryuukan... good point about the drafts... forgot about that. I just clicked through that how to play video again, and it seems like you do have a second main phase... the guys in the video just kept spending their mana before combat. This makes me much more excited to give this game a shot!
It's interesting that the stretch goals for the most part are just increasing the rewards that you get for each tier, rather than adding more content to the game... I think that's probably for the best though since there's only so much functionality you can add at one time to a 'math based' game before the balance gets all out of whack. Especially in the beginning phases, it would suck to be locked into some kind of permanent decision that will forever hamper the play style of the game.
Either way, this looks fun... sockets on cards is a great idea
Thanks Ryuukan... good point about the drafts... forgot about that. I just clicked through that how to play video again, and it seems like you do have a second main phase... the guys in the video just kept spending their mana before combat. This makes me much more excited to give this game a shot!
It's interesting that the stretch goals for the most part are just increasing the rewards that you get for each tier, rather than adding more content to the game... I think that's probably for the best though since there's only so much functionality you can add at one time to a 'math based' game before the balance gets all out of whack. Especially in the beginning phases, it would suck to be locked into some kind of permanent decision that will forever hamper the play style of the game.
Either way, this looks fun... sockets on cards is a great idea
They dont want to add too much feature to let the game come out fast as possible
Not to mention, they have to save some stuff for future sets
I'm really hoping the game eventually let's users "code" new casual formats using some sort of simple GUI interface. Just off the top of my head, but it can definitely go deeper:
One of the best things about Magic is the fact it can easily be modified into a different format, and I'd love to see them push HEX as having that capability too. With the digital benefits, you could see casual formats with a lot more dedicated communities. Of course, you'll still see formats appear, with rules made outside the game and expected to be withheld in the game, but it would work so much better with the game enforcing the format.
Not sure how exactly you'd control the distribution of the "unofficial" formats, though, and share them with other players. Possibly limit it to within guilds so you don't have a glut of broken formats floating around. I'd hate to see that, as interguild tournaments and casual random games would suffer. I'll just leave that problem to someone else's solution.
- Number of cards per deck
- singletons/2-of/4-of/unlimited/rarity deck restrictions
- life totals
- how mana/threshold is handled (also whether or not you start with X amount of each color as well)
- custom ban lists
- custom win conditions
One of the best things about Magic is the fact it can easily be modified into a different format, and I'd love to see them push HEX as having that capability too. With the digital benefits, you could see casual formats with a lot more dedicated communities. Of course, you'll still see formats appear, with rules made outside the game and expected to be withheld in the game, but it would work so much better with the game enforcing the format.
Not sure how exactly you'd control the distribution of the "unofficial" formats, though, and share them with other players. Possibly limit it to within guilds so you don't have a glut of broken formats floating around. I'd hate to see that, as interguild tournaments and casual random games would suffer. I'll just leave that problem to someone else's solution.
I probably should, huh?
I was reading more game mechanics and some are worded or named so poorly
threshold? It should just be redefined as magic levesl. You need two levels of wild magic in order to cast a 2 rank wild spell (2 threshold currently). this reading just makes more sense
I feel like cryptozoic has tried to make their words as unique as possible to distance themselves from the fact the game is mechanically MTG. It comes off as needless obfuscation though, as things should just make immediate sense.
also, their systems seem TOO much like magic, with small modifications. I dont think im fully on board for PvP right now, I dont see why I should play this over MTGO. Might just check out the PVE and see if the PvP scene develops.
imo, they should combine the guild and raid leader tiers into one
You can resell card
Minsc
Gold Member
There's no cashing out though, right? Like after you accumulated the 1000 or so booster packs and cards you get from backing at a Grand King level and all the 1000s of cards from years of free drafts etc, you're stuck with 10,000s of cards you can't sell for real money?
All I can find on the Auction House is this:
Which mentions just selling for in-game gold.
There won't be an in-game first-party client to sell cards for real money. I think the issue is mostly not wanting to deal with the legal issues, as well as not having to perform customer support for the kinds of scamming/fraud that would be necessary if they did have such a system.
So far the word (semi-officially) is that you can sell on the side, as through eBay, or somewhere else, and they don't care. It's not sanctioned, so if you get screwed on a deal, they're not going to do anything about it. But it's also not a bannable offense. Not sure if it's technically against ToS though.
Chris Woods
Neo Member
Hey guys!
Sorry I'm a bit late to the party. I actually created a NeoGaf account as soon as the KickStarter went up, but didn't realize NeoGaf had a slower vetting process.
I'm going to try to answer all the questions that came up in this thread. If I missed one, sorry!
- Gold and Platinum is indeed tradeable
- We've already mentioned that we're going to have a 'build your own league' system, where you can determine all sorts of information about the format (such as banning cards, adjusting life totals, etc.) -- we're not guaranteeing it at launch, but it's a feature we are going to put in for sure.
- Mercs are all PvE onle, though there is a 'wild west' format, which is 'play PvE decks against other players'.
- All $250 tiers get 1 free draft a week for a year. The Pro Player tier gets that for its entire life.
- You can mix shards (Diamond, Sapphire, etc.) at will when deckbuilding.
- In our videos, we have all the priority stops turned on, which is why you see people having to click on 'Pass Priority' all the time. Most users will probably turn a significant number of those off to speed up their game.
Again, apologies if I missed anything. It's a long thread!
Chris Woods
Sorry I'm a bit late to the party. I actually created a NeoGaf account as soon as the KickStarter went up, but didn't realize NeoGaf had a slower vetting process.
I'm going to try to answer all the questions that came up in this thread. If I missed one, sorry!
- Gold and Platinum is indeed tradeable
- We've already mentioned that we're going to have a 'build your own league' system, where you can determine all sorts of information about the format (such as banning cards, adjusting life totals, etc.) -- we're not guaranteeing it at launch, but it's a feature we are going to put in for sure.
- Mercs are all PvE onle, though there is a 'wild west' format, which is 'play PvE decks against other players'.
- All $250 tiers get 1 free draft a week for a year. The Pro Player tier gets that for its entire life.
- You can mix shards (Diamond, Sapphire, etc.) at will when deckbuilding.
- In our videos, we have all the priority stops turned on, which is why you see people having to click on 'Pass Priority' all the time. Most users will probably turn a significant number of those off to speed up their game.
Again, apologies if I missed anything. It's a long thread!
Chris Woods
Welcome to GAF
Question about this part: is there going to be a fixed/formalized pass priority system for PvP? Like, always automatically pass if no action, etc.? I would imagine that some people would always leave it on if the option exists just the potential mind game of suggesting a playable answer or not; or, if they're poor sports, to quit the match but make you slowly grind it out.
Is there a fixed set of rules for the competitive PvP side?
Chris Woods
Neo Member
There is a formalized pass priority system, and you can have 'pass if that would be my only response' checked, though I imagine a lot of people would leave that off because it indicates to your opponent that you don't have any cards that would respond to what they just did.
I'm not sure I understand the question 'Is there a fixed set of rules for the competitive PvP side?' -- all the standard rules of the game apply, but there aren't any special "tournament only" rules, only matching structure and pairing, etc.
Chris Woods
I saw that the rewards will not come with the alpha, does that include packs too? Will there be a reset before beta?
Hi Chris, welcome to Gaf and thanks for the answer.
Can we have information about the Auction house? like what we can and what we cannot do with pack, gold, platinum etc.?
For example i think people will want to know if you can cash out your platinum.
Chris Woods
Neo Member
We haven't determined if we're going to let people cash out their platinum. This is a legal thing -- there are international money laundering laws we apparently have to comply with. I honestly don't know the specifics on it, because I'm not the legal guy. We will let people know once we do.
We won't be giving out rewards until Beta, because we will probably do a wipe after alpha. In alpha we'll probably just give people a buncha stuff and let them go nuts.
You can sell anything that is tradeable on the AH (which is almost everything, with some limitations on trial players) for gold or platinum. Gold is the "in game" currency, and can only be obtained by playing PvE or from other players. Platinum is the premium currency.
Chris Woods
We won't be giving out rewards until Beta, because we will probably do a wipe after alpha. In alpha we'll probably just give people a buncha stuff and let them go nuts.
You can sell anything that is tradeable on the AH (which is almost everything, with some limitations on trial players) for gold or platinum. Gold is the "in game" currency, and can only be obtained by playing PvE or from other players. Platinum is the premium currency.
Chris Woods
bluecapsule
Member
I just saw the HEX Kickstarter for the first time. As a long time Magic player, this looks appealing since it's mechanically very similar, but it includes PVE elements and it appears that it will significantly undercut MTG in terms of costs. $6 drafts vs. $15 drafts in MTGO makes a huge difference over time.
Eteric Rice
Member
Will you be able to get PVP cards through PVE? Or do you only get PVP cards through buying packs?
Chris Woods
Neo Member
We're not 100% sure on the date for alpha yet, so until we do know we don't want to say anything.
The only way to get PvP cards in through purchase of PvP packs, winning tournaments, or as KS rewards.
Chris Woods
The only way to get PvP cards in through purchase of PvP packs, winning tournaments, or as KS rewards.
Chris Woods
Thanks for your answer Chris. Really hyped for your game and see how developer interact with player is really a good thing. Keep working in this way.
Eteric Rice
Member
Oh okay, cool.
How can you tell if a card is PVP or PVE?
Also, will there be sales on packs?
For the PVP / PVE card you can use this website
http://hex.potion-of-wit.com/
PVE card have a little mark on the bottom part, left of the rarity sign
Is the little mask in yellow, right on the 2 attack point
Minsc
Gold Member
Surely you can get them through the Auction House too I'd imagine (from trading away gold or even PvE cards)?
Chris Woods
Neo Member
Yes Minsc, you are correct. I guess I mean 'the only way to get PvP cards from us." As far as other methods of acquisition (AH, people just giving them to you, etc.) I can't speak to it, but I'm fairly positive they'll show up on AH and other trading systems.
Chris Woods
Chris Woods
I make an account and it takes me 6-9 months to get approved. He makes an account and gets approved in under a month. Either more people are getting banned or this site is going to the dogs.
Serious tone now, there was a new kickstarter update: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game/posts/496623
And there was a new website update: http://hextcg.com/exclamation-points-and-question-marks/
The kickstarter update links to a preview on Joystiq as well as another podcast interview with Cory Jones, this time with the podcast Geek All Stars. No, I've never heard of them either.
What's also cool is that they link to two community made databases to track updates and card previews, and people have been using them for theorycrafting so we're all welcome to go nuts too.
Finally, the hextcg.com update clears up the difference between dungeons and raids, which I saw questioned on SomethingAwful yesterday. Basically, dungeons are multi-encounter single player affairs, while raids are single encounter multiplayer affairs. More details on the site.
Oh, and three more card previews.
One actual question for Chris Woods, I've heard that the Dungeon Crawler tier is one of the most rewarding tiers designed, but considering that the bonus is only from making your way to the boss and killing it, is it really that substantial? And then by comparison the Raid Leader tier feels kinda underwhelming, since it doesn't look like much of a reward but instead just something that makes grinding easier.
Serious tone now, there was a new kickstarter update: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game/posts/496623
And there was a new website update: http://hextcg.com/exclamation-points-and-question-marks/
The kickstarter update links to a preview on Joystiq as well as another podcast interview with Cory Jones, this time with the podcast Geek All Stars. No, I've never heard of them either.
What's also cool is that they link to two community made databases to track updates and card previews, and people have been using them for theorycrafting so we're all welcome to go nuts too.
Finally, the hextcg.com update clears up the difference between dungeons and raids, which I saw questioned on SomethingAwful yesterday. Basically, dungeons are multi-encounter single player affairs, while raids are single encounter multiplayer affairs. More details on the site.
Oh, and three more card previews.
One actual question for Chris Woods, I've heard that the Dungeon Crawler tier is one of the most rewarding tiers designed, but considering that the bonus is only from making your way to the boss and killing it, is it really that substantial? And then by comparison the Raid Leader tier feels kinda underwhelming, since it doesn't look like much of a reward but instead just something that makes grinding easier.
Chris Woods
Neo Member
Dungeon Crawler is best for someone who likes the equipment side of the game. (The modifiers next to cards when you look at them on our website.)
Raid Leader is nice because you will have no trouble finding people to raid with. If you are planning on just playing with friends, then is just makes defeating raids easier, but if you're playing alone being a Raid Leader makes you an auto-include in any group.
Each tier is designed to try to appeal to a particular type of player.
Chris Woods
Raid Leader is nice because you will have no trouble finding people to raid with. If you are planning on just playing with friends, then is just makes defeating raids easier, but if you're playing alone being a Raid Leader makes you an auto-include in any group.
Each tier is designed to try to appeal to a particular type of player.
Chris Woods
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Welcome to NeoGAF, Mr. Woods! It's really awesome how communicative your whole team has been during this Kickstarter and I truly believe Hex will be something special as a result of the commitment your team has shown to the game thus far (and I hope you and your team always has this passion). I can tell you that Hex is only the second Kickstarter I have ever backed and I'm a Grand King because I sense how serious you guys are taking this game and I can see that it's not only about the bottom line. My first Kickstarter I backed was for only $10, for the record. =P
Anyway, with that said, I haven't been able to find a definitive answer to a few questions that I have so I figured I'll just ask you haha
(1) Will it be possible to join draft tournaments, limited, constructed, etc. with your friends so you can face each other in the PVP experience? I know there's a casual version of PVP, but with paper TCGs I've always had fun going to competitive tournaments and playing with my friends (we never ended up actually playing against each other, but it was always fun wondering if we eventually would get paired against one another and we always had fun seeing how much better one of us did against the other in overall ladder rankings).
(2) Are you able to talk much about guilds? Can people join more than one guild? Can there be more than one official leader and is there a detailed system that lets creators of guilds have as many options as possible to customize it to their liking? Are guilds restricted by faction?
EDIT: Had another question but didn't see the newest website update that Proven just linked to and I'm pretty sure that answers the question I had.
I'm not speaking for Chris or CZE, but I would seriously be surprised if there were no sales on packs ever. I'm sure there will be (you could even almost say that the $4 a month subscription is an infinite sale on packs).
If you want sales on pack, i think you can buy it from other player, much cheaper than normal price
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Just dropped 120. Can't wait
Is it just me or does this seem a little OP? Not that I can complain as I play decks of that sort.
Is it just me or does this seem a little OP? Not that I can complain as I play decks of that sort.
Actually, now that I think about it, I remember people telling me that deck mill was a Black strategy in Magic, not Blue. It feels like anything that might be considered stall is being linked to Sapphire and Diamond.
Hmm... are there any guaranteed drops from dungeons or raids?
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I think blue is the more effective mill though.
The blue/black spells are usually the best, segue into another question:
Have they shown any multicolor spells yet?
They didnt show anything about multicolor
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Black is normally hand destruction if I remember right. Which fits into milling decks