yeah, primal tier is even more expensive!
All I do in TCGs is draft
I love me some drafting. and am sad that I am out of options
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yeah, primal tier is even more expensive!
All I do in TCGs is draft
I love me some drafting. and am sad that I am out of options
Also, nearly impossible to pick up a dropped without some sort of script it appears..
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
There's always the other $250 tiers that will at least give you a free draft a week for a year.
Yeah, I mean the chances of getting the PP or GK are really slim. You could always try to ask someone on the official forums to see if anyone might give you one assuming they might be reconsidering GK/PP (a lot of people have reserved a GK just in case). Also, the last two days might have GKs or PPs dropping too.
IllumiNate
Member
I'm backed for the Collector tier, will try and snag a GK within the last couple days. Hype!
If you cant backe the GK, backe DK in another account so you'll have 2x draft for one year, 360 booster pack and all the other thing doubled
Str0ngStyle
Member
so does anyone know what tier the tablet version would be on if they hit that stretch goal?
None of them. The game is free 2 play.
If you're into PvE, Dungeon Crawler definitely seems to be the best bet. Depending on how much value PvE cards and equipment go for it could end up being the best non-PP investment at $250 (or even better, depending on how much you play - remember that Pro Player is only $364 a year. If the game has a healthy economy, and you play a lot, there's a very good chance that you'll make more than that with Dungeon Crawler.
Collector is great on its own, if only for the second Lotus Garden. The twelve alt-art cards every year are a great bonus, and if they end up being strong meta cards they could be worth a ton of money.
Guild Master nets you an additional 90 packs up-front, but not much else.
Raid Leader is interesting, but unless you're a Grand King or have friends who you're planning on raiding with the tier doesn't really seem worth it.
If you're looking for a good value breakdown of the different tiers, check out the following links to see how much you'd save over "retail" on each:
Squire, Warrior, Captain, Knight and Champion Tiers
King, $250, and Grand King Tiers
Note that there are some assumptions and conjecture, but for the most part it's pretty accurate.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
The one year drafts don't stack. Only the PP one did.
if you dont merge the account you'll have one with 1 year draft and another one with lifetime draft
Str0ngStyle
Member
So the IAP is basically booster packs? Interesting. I still may have to back this
Booster pack and the entry for tournament
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
That'll work. I've just never been a fan of multiple accounts for one game, so I wouldn't personally do that myself.
Also, that does bring up the potential issue of multi-boxing. That could cause some abuse within the tournament structure if it's not somehow monitored/stopped.
It should be noted that you can technically buy booster packs with in-game gold from other players on the auction house as well. No one knows how much gold the in-game economy will require for it though. I imagine that in the beginning booster packs won't be that much and then they will gradually increase in the gold required for them. Also, you could trade PVE cards for PVP cards (and vice-versa) as well. That, however, will depend on how much value the PVE is perceived though.
You still have to pay for entry fees to tournaments though (as far as I am aware). I also think every tournament has a $1 fee attached to it. Although if you do the $4 VIP subscription for 1 pack a week then you do get a free entry every month into a VIP tournament.
IllumiNate
Member
Hmmm to get a 2nd collector on a different account or merge 2x Kings to my existing Collector??!!!?
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
A second collector would get you four of a set of the alternate art PVP cards.
IllumiNate
Member
For the final stretch goal Kings and above get 15x packs of set 2, so 2 kings would net 30x set 2 packs as aposed to 15x from another collector. All things to consider haha
I dont think you can buy pack with gold. I believe only with platinum.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I think you can on the auction house. As far as I was aware, Platinum was the real currency to use to buy stuff from CZE directly while gold was used for the in-game auction house. I could be mistaken though but I do know that players can sell booster packs.
I was thinking more in line with how ANet and Riot handle it.
Platinum: Currency purchased from CZE. Can be used on boosters from in-game store or to buy things off of the auction house that are listed for Platinum.
Gold: In-game currency acquired by doing PvE content. Can be used to buy things off of the auction house that are listed for Gold.
You choose what currency you want to accept when you put an item up for auction. There are no bind-on-pickup items in the game except for the starter deck everyone receives when they first start playing, Kickstarter Mercenaries, and Kickstarter card sleeves. Anything can be listed for either Gold or Platinum, including boosters (regular and primal) and purchased starter decks (including Kickstarter exclusive decks).
That's what I've been able to piece together by scouring the forums, anyway.
Gold: In-game currency acquired by doing PvE content. Can be used to buy things off of the auction house that are listed for Gold.
You choose what currency you want to accept when you put an item up for auction. There are no bind-on-pickup items in the game except for the starter deck everyone receives when they first start playing, Kickstarter Mercenaries, and Kickstarter card sleeves. Anything can be listed for either Gold or Platinum, including boosters (regular and primal) and purchased starter decks (including Kickstarter exclusive decks).
That's what I've been able to piece together by scouring the forums, anyway.
I like the idea of selling stuff on that Auction House, but I do question if PVE stuff is really going to be in demand at all.
It would be nice if PVE in a way could contribute to your PVP progress. And I'm not talking about using those cards, but just to get people interested in doing it.
What would be the most interesting tier on top of a Pro Player one? You don't get the second draft, so that makes it pretty pointless to go for a 250$ even though the Dungeon Crawler interests me.
It would be nice if PVE in a way could contribute to your PVP progress. And I'm not talking about using those cards, but just to get people interested in doing it.
What would be the most interesting tier on top of a Pro Player one? You don't get the second draft, so that makes it pretty pointless to go for a 250$ even though the Dungeon Crawler interests me.
Doing PvE lets you level your cards into extended art/foil. If nothing else, that alone should be reason enough for many to PvE. Not to mention that the PvE side of things is totally free, and that's going to be a huge draw for a lot of people.
Just keep the accounts separate so that you can still get the benefits of your one year of free drafts. If that's too much work, two Kings is probably your best bet.
I've got a Pro Player.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
GK tier here
Pro here.
None as of now, would love to back at GK or Pro though. I honestly don't know if I'll back it without being able to grab one of those. I really can't believe they didn't think that people would stack GKs / Pro tiers to try to scalp them. They're so far above and beyond what any other tier offers.
piratepwnsninja
Member
Pro player tier here.
Spiritreaver
Member
Same here. It sucks that almost all the discussion anywhere is over real money aspects of the game and not the game itself.
I'm trying to get all my friends in on this, we're all huge MMO and Magic fans, and I think they'd all enjoy the game. Really what sold me was when I starrted looking through all the cards to see that it really isn't a complete magic clone. The ideas they have in this first set alone show they are really driven to play on the digital aspect. That's what's going to really set this game apart.
Hell, that's what sets them apart from pretty much every other digital card game out now.
Can't wait to see the hype that comes once this Kickstarter is over.
I find it funny that it is 3 unique ones and then like 9 that are exact Magic keywords.
Seeing as it's a magic clone + unique digital-only stuff, it makes sense. I don't mind it, and I'm sure we'll lots of cool new ones as we go along.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
To be fair, anything that is remotely similar in mechanics (direct attack, etc.) is gonna have to have keywords that work exactly like Magic does in ways just because there's no other unique way to go about it. Uniqueness for uniqueness' sake is not worth it.
Even Inspire is like the ally group effect in Magic (although I much prefer how Inspire works as opposed to how allies work).
Yeah, I don't hold it against them at all. If you have creatures with power and toughness and a similar blocking system then a lot of Magic mechanics are gameplay and flavor home runs. So you might as well use them. I still just find the renames funny since I imagine that throughout design they were Trample, First Strike and Haste instead of Crush, Swift Strike and Speed.
I do find the immediate existence of Hexproof/Spellshield worrying since it leads to non interaction a lot of the time. Though they could design their way out of that problem depending on what creatures they put it on.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Heck, playing Magic for so long, I'll probably still end up using Magic terms.
That is concerning depending on how frequent those terms appear. I think they actually should have innovated on that one - mark Spellshield block spells of a certain cost or have it be a one-time use every time it comes into play.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Magic is a very popular game and a great one to copy so it still boggles my mind at how Wizards is not seeing the opportunity that Magic has (or had if Hex comes out and becomes really popular). Of course, I wondered the same thing when Blizzard didn't take advantage of DotA when they had the chance. I honestly don't think Blizz All-Stars will ever compare in popularity to LoL or DotA 2 and that battle was definitely Blizzard's to lose.
I am too. It makes learning Hex very easy for me and I'll honestly be at somewhat an advantage with my Magic experience compared to new players (or even TCG players who have played other TCGs but never Magic).
One of the most obvious and uninspired attempts at trying to replicate "firststrike" while not copying it word for word.
piratepwnsninja
Member
I do wonder if somewhere in WotC they are scrambling to try to do something.
I might be having a brain fart, but I'm now trying to think of a different way of saying First Strike while still having the keyword be clear and concise.
Also, I decided to go into this with my 1 GK and 3x Collector. I figure Spectral Lotuses will be great for any deck in PvE and should sell for a decent amount. Alternate art pvp cards sound nice and I can give away some extras to friends or sell them for a good amount.
The giant signs flashing LOOK AT ALL THIS VALUE are too much for me to resist.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I think they would be idiots to not see it. It's a very obvious evolution of the TCG. The only thing that probably held WotC back is that they would be taking a risk of gambling the success of the paper card game for the success of the digital card game - also, Magic would have to be retooled to truly take advantage of a digital space and the value of Magic could be reset if they totally phased out the paper cards. There's no doubt that it would be a huge risk for WotC, but they were at the prime position to do it and to, in all likelihood, be successful at it.
Hmmm...
Well, I like First Hit more than Swift Strike personally. You're not really gonna get too original with it. It's just that swift is more of an uncommon word that it seems like CZE was looking in a thesaurus to replicate First Strike's meaning. =P
They haven't scrambled to do anything in ten years, why would they start now? Besides, paper magic just turned digital isn't that interesting. Taking the foundations of it and adding in the benefits of digital is, and WOTC wouldn't dare touch that boundary.
Anything would have worked better than "Swiftstrike", but again, we all instantly know what swiftstrike means.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
WotC could have also just copied Magic straight up (including the terminology), retooled it to take advantage of the digital space, and create a new IP to go with this while maintaining Magic: The Gathering as its own paper TCG and the new IP as the "Magic of the digital world."
One thing I wouldn't have trusted WotC to get right that CZE looks like it will is the MMO aspect. I think that's a very important but overlooked aspect of a digital TCG because MMOs breed community, which is the single most important thing about a TCG.
Anything? Really?
I propose Headmost Bash then! =P