Also taking advantage of the digital environment, something magic can never do due to the paper game. Effects that persist beyond "in-play", creating temporary cards on the fly in game, true random effects (orson's dream promo).
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Hex MMOTCG Kickstarter by Cryptozoic Entertainment [Complete, ~$2.5 million funded]
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Also taking advantage of the digital environment, something magic can never do due to the paper game. Effects that persist beyond "in-play", creating temporary cards on the fly in game, true random effects (orson's dream promo).
Keysersoze
Banned
I thought the online version of magic did this stuff? am i mistaken?
e; ^^ this is also a pretty great thing.
Magic online is the exact same game, same cards, same rules as paper magic.
Magic Online can do some stuff better and quicker than in the paper game, but it doesn't use any effects that simply can't be done on a card. There aren't any cards that exist in Magic Online that aren't in the paper game.
In Hex, just as an example, if you give a card +1/+1 (which in Magic needs to be represented by physical counters) it can be a permanent effect for the rest of the game whether it goes to your graveyard, ends up in your hand, or gets shuffled into your library.
Keysersoze
Banned
Well you guys convinced me. backed it.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Delusibeta
Banned
Awesome, pity that it's not an actual demo.
Nice. Now we need to see some PVE video
Yeah, really hoping to see a few of those crazy looking cards in action. So much possibility with two separate sets, they can do ridiculous stuff in PvE, as is already evident by some of the cards. I'm excited to get a glimpse.
IllumiNate
Member
Why is it this game has so much more funding then SolForge ever got? Do people have more faith in these guys to create a compelling game? I backed Solforge and now kind of interested to see what this game has to offer. Anyone else here backed both games?
I backed both. This one definitely seems more interesting to me since you can act on opponent's turns, actually keep your hand on over multiple turns and isn't restricted by placing your guys in lanes.
I backed both as well. I put around the minimum in both to get beta access, with SolForge only needing $5, and Hex needing $10. I ended up going up to $20 for the Squire Tier in Hex because of the value, because SolForge was one of the first kickstarters I backed and I wasn't all that trusting of anyone on the site, and because these guys look like they'll actually release enough this year, rather than the paltry beta that SolForge delivered.
And SolForge has been bugging me more for it's slowness than for it's system. I think I'd actually prefer SolForge in the long run because Hex looks to have mana screw. But right now there are fewer cards in SolForge, I've had to sit with two crappy starter decks for over a year, when they added more cards to their beta (in the form of good starter decks) they told me to buy them or ignore them, I still can't play against other people, and it isn't much of a beta but instead a demo they've sat me with for about a year. There's even an entire card type they mention on their site that hasn't been implemented yet (beyond monsters and spells, they have a location type card).
SolForge will probably have more than enough depth for me when it finally releases. Interaction to me doesn't just mean being able to act on your opponent's turn. It's about causing interesting decisions to be made between you and your opponent. It's about casing a need for prediction and planning. Even Sirlin is finally releasing this. I mean, would you call Chess a low interaction game? SolForge at it's best is a lot like that to me.
Currently though, Hex and Hearthstone both look like they could beat it to final release. And while interested in all three I know I'm only going to pick one in the end, or maybe two as Hex seems the least tablet friendly currently.
Edit: The random article Sirlin wrote recently that I randomly mentioned: http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2013/5/7/asynchronous-games-and-codex.html
And SolForge has been bugging me more for it's slowness than for it's system. I think I'd actually prefer SolForge in the long run because Hex looks to have mana screw. But right now there are fewer cards in SolForge, I've had to sit with two crappy starter decks for over a year, when they added more cards to their beta (in the form of good starter decks) they told me to buy them or ignore them, I still can't play against other people, and it isn't much of a beta but instead a demo they've sat me with for about a year. There's even an entire card type they mention on their site that hasn't been implemented yet (beyond monsters and spells, they have a location type card).
SolForge will probably have more than enough depth for me when it finally releases. Interaction to me doesn't just mean being able to act on your opponent's turn. It's about causing interesting decisions to be made between you and your opponent. It's about casing a need for prediction and planning. Even Sirlin is finally releasing this. I mean, would you call Chess a low interaction game? SolForge at it's best is a lot like that to me.
Currently though, Hex and Hearthstone both look like they could beat it to final release. And while interested in all three I know I'm only going to pick one in the end, or maybe two as Hex seems the least tablet friendly currently.
Edit: The random article Sirlin wrote recently that I randomly mentioned: http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2013/5/7/asynchronous-games-and-codex.html
Minsc
Gold Member
The lanes are handled really well in SolForge, they incorporate many creature abilities in to being or not being in adjacent lanes, and you're committed to that lane after you play a creature in it unless it has the move ability, so I actually feel having the lanes adds a lot more to the combat than just a simple free for all, where you can choose at will what to block and not block. The lanes definitely make the combat element more interesting, due to them limiting your choices.
Also I enjoy that the creature's toughness does not reset each turn. I was actually hoping since Hex was going to be all digital they would employ that as well, I think it balances out creatures much better.
The no acting on opponent's turn is a minus, but not a huge one, since I feel SolForge is meant to be a fast paced game, and it does keep a much faster, more interesting pace for me that way. Having two main phases adds a lot, I think without that it'd be pretty boring. But since you can attack and then play cards, it brings a lot more choices to when to play stuff.
I don't find the drawing a new hand every turn in SolForge to be better or worse, just in line with keeping the pace faster. A 1 card draw phase would definitely slow the game down. So I think it's a smart decision, and makes it feel pretty distinct along with all the other differences.
I like that SolForge feels like it's own game, and does it well. Hopefully Hex succeeds in being a MtG clone, it is definitely a more ambitious goal because of the potential competition if MtG:Online ever updates itself to be more like the DotP release, and all the additional action phases definitely makes it more challenging to code/program AI i think.
Spiritreaver
Member
Gonna be backing this here soon before it's up. I've been dying for both a new MMO and a digital TCG to play.
izzie pls
I'm afraid it will become a money drain after launch. The worst thing about magic (or any TCG? I don't have enough experience) was to simply not have enough money to build your deck.
Sometimes you could trade away cards, you could be a little creative with less expensive cards, but there was always a point where it was like: "well, it would be awesome to have 4 of those cards and I simply can't".
Such a turn-off...
Sorry if it is an illegitiame rant for a game that isn't even open to beta yet.
Sometimes you could trade away cards, you could be a little creative with less expensive cards, but there was always a point where it was like: "well, it would be awesome to have 4 of those cards and I simply can't".
Such a turn-off...
Sorry if it is an illegitiame rant for a game that isn't even open to beta yet.
If I could get a GK, I'd immediately drop even more money on this game. Lack of a reasonably priced way of getting free drafts for life is preventing me from spending anything at this moment.
It will be a money drain, it's a TCG afterall and 99% of the people know this.
In HEX you can do PVE free
IllumiNate
Member
I'm in the same boat. I have yet to back, I'm hoping they add more GK or new tiers.
I'm sitting here reading and watching videos for this awesome game and I'm kind of upset that I backed Solforge for $120. I now feel as though it may have been a waste of money.
This is something that I've longed for, I am a competitive player who has played MTG for 15 years on and off. I got invited to Canadian nationals by placing in 3rd at my regionals event.
I have had long thoughts on where MTG has to go in the future if it is to survive. MTG currently relies on comic book stores and there MTGO network. The thing is that comic book stores are going the way of the dodo and soon only the big shops (Starcitygames) will survive.
If MTG wants to survive then they need to realize that TCG/CCG's are all going digital. MTGO in it's current state is a mess. MTGO version 4.0 has taken almost as long as Episode 3 to come out. Where 4.0 is now is not where the game should be going. If MTG does not push online as the forefront of there business strategy then I feel as though MTG will die within the next 3-5 years. With how long 4.0 has taken, I'm unsure of Wizards ability to create a compelling online interface to be able to remain relevant in the tcg space.
I'm a big fan of MTG and it's mechanics and I'm very excited to see that Hex is taking a lot of pages from Wizards book. I'm a little buzzed right now and I have a lot more rants about MTG and it's future, but for now I'll leave it at that.
The lack of real cards to hold affect me something, but in general, I agree.
Uuurgh, I'm in a hell of not donating at all, going for 20 bucks or going for 250 at once so I can draft for free forever.
Oh wait, now I've got it, the "free draft" ones are gone. Dang.
You guys do realize that they added a perk to every $250 tier, right? Every $250 tier that's not the Pro Player tier now gets the "one free draft per week" perk, but limited to only one year instead of for life. One year is still a long time and a lot of free packs for a money sink...
I want to do the Producer tier so bad. I remember starting Magic back in 1995. I played all the way up to 2003. I remember how much I hated not having 4 of every card ever made. I used to tell myself that if I ever became super wealthy that I would do it.
Well, I'm not super wealthy so attacking the 4 of every MTG card thing is a little ridiculous. But, I'm well off, so ten grand for 4 of every card for life sounds like a deal. This game also looks to have a lot of staying power, so it looks like I would more than get my money's worth eventually.
Although, if my wife found out I spent $10,000 on a game, she would have some choice words with me. It took a lot of talking for her to accept the fact that I'm going to build an enthusiast PC when Maxwell launches; I don't see how she will accept this. I'm almost tempted to go with the ol' "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission" route.
Well, I'm not super wealthy so attacking the 4 of every MTG card thing is a little ridiculous. But, I'm well off, so ten grand for 4 of every card for life sounds like a deal. This game also looks to have a lot of staying power, so it looks like I would more than get my money's worth eventually.
Although, if my wife found out I spent $10,000 on a game, she would have some choice words with me. It took a lot of talking for her to accept the fact that I'm going to build an enthusiast PC when Maxwell launches; I don't see how she will accept this. I'm almost tempted to go with the ol' "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission" route.
Minsc
Gold Member
Yup, that's why the Pro tier and Grand King tiers are so popular. Getting that money drain aspect out of the game (more or less) is an unbeatable deal, and gives you an opportunity to save a ton of money in the long run.
I feel PVE will also be a pretty bad money drain despite being free (that or you'll need to invest 100s of hours to get through later dungeons where the better cards are), the only difference is I think the PVE will be quickly disregarded by mostly everyone since it'll just be empty games against a AI one after another where you click little spots on a static map to advance from one battle to the next (and more importantly the cards aren't good for normal PvP games).
Well, the difference with Hex is that it's an MMO with an all-inclusive auction house and is promising lots of PvE content. What that means is that you'll be able to PvE and sell the stuff you earn in PvE on the auction house in order to purchase PvP cards and boosters.
Theoretically you won't have to spend a dime in order to stay current, it's more a matter of how much PvE you want to do in order to get the singles you need for PvP.
Yup, all of the rewards are the same across both Kickstarter and Paypal.
If you're well enough off that you can drop ten grand on a game and feel good about it then your wife doesn't really have any room to complain.
Those are my thoughts, anyway.
I don't know about that. The PvE cards look really interesting, and I love everything they've revealed about it so far (choices and special conditions set up in each encounter during a dungeon). I don't mind PvE in card games at all, and there's nothing wrong with a point-and-click adventure. Not to mention cooperative raids, something that I've always been interested in for TCGs, but also something that has never really had any infrastructure as far as rulesets are concerned.
If they do it right I think that it has a lot of potential to get people hooked, and they'll want to do it right, as it's the element of the game that will get people interested in giving the PvP side of things a shot. This is an MMO, after all, and I do think that while there is heavy PvP draw to many MMOs, PvE is definitely a very important part of the experience.
yo_soy_el_topo
Member
So when would beta access start if I bought the cheapest kickstarter package?
September
yo_soy_el_topo
Member
Thanks much! I already play magic the gathering online and want to try this out bad!
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I have a huge feeling that the last two days of this KS are gonna be insane. I feel like a lot of people want to donate, but are just waiting for GK or PP but once that option is exhausted, they will donate something right before it ends.
And I really feel like if they had created equally valuable lifetime bonuses to the other $250 tiers, this KS would be unstoppable. Imagine the Collector tier offering 30 or so alternate art of certain cards in each set for life or the Guild Leader tier offering 3 different codes for 5 packs per month (for a total of 15 packs) for life.
And I really feel like if they had created equally valuable lifetime bonuses to the other $250 tiers, this KS would be unstoppable. Imagine the Collector tier offering 30 or so alternate art of certain cards in each set for life or the Guild Leader tier offering 3 different codes for 5 packs per month (for a total of 15 packs) for life.
If CZE were really smart they'd just open "late bird" tiers for PP/GK at a slightly higher price.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
That too. Also, it's never too late for Add-Ons.
I'm hoping that happens. Still going to auto-refresh the page all day to try to pick one up. If it comes down to it, I'll start offering money to people to drop their GK. GK and Pro Tiers have a ton of value to them.
I dont know. If i've to choice between GK and 1 PP and 1 Collectior/DK, i'll probably choise the 250$ x 2 so i will have 2 draft.
The only Drafts that stack are ones with the "For Life" perk (PP and GK). The other $250 tiers with "For a Year" free drafts don't stack with "For Life". The only way to get around that would be to maintain them on separate accounts instead of merging.
Yup. For what it's worth, that's what I'll be doing with my GK and Collector. I'll only really use the collector to play the drafts, and just transfer the alternate art cards every year to my main account.
Same here. I voiced my opinion against the idea on the forums and the comment section on Kickstarter.
Seems that the card will not be included with the shirt, going by community reaction. People have been tossing around the idea of card sleeves instead, and I wouldn't have a problem with that option at all.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
And Cory Jones said that he feels the card idea may have been a bad one too, based on community feedback. It definitely looks like a card won't be tied down to the shirt.
http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=24138&p=225725&viewfull=1#post225725
Good thing too, because I probably would've ended up with four shirts that I'd never wear in order to get a playset.
Lol. Getting sleeves that have artwork matching the shirt would be a really cool idea though.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
No. I don't foresee any new stretch goals. I think there will be add-ons (the t-shirt is already confirmed as one) but the stretch goals are most likely finished at 1.5m. I think Cory Jones really wants to release the game before this year is over and new stretch goals could delay that.
It's also sold-out, which makes your decision easier! =P