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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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I'll be in the US for a while, just sold my A2 to a friend yesterday and I'll pick up an XA2 once I get there. Will save over $500, gotta love the CAD :D
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
The Main Event said:
Will save over $500, gotta love the CAD :D

I keep hoping the exchange rate goes to hell again soon, because the massive influx of French Canadians shopping in this area over the past few months is making my life a living hell. :lol Not to pidgeonhole, but they're the rudest, most unpleasant people I've ever been in contact with.
 
Hotarubi said:
I keep hoping the exchange rate goes to hell again soon, because the massive influx of French Canadians shopping in this area over the past few months is making my life a living hell. :lol Not to pidgeonhole, but they're the rudest, most unpleasant people I've ever been in contact with.
pretty ridiculous to stereo type a entire group of people. With that said, the two french canadians I work with suck beyond belief.
 
Mustaphadamus said:
pretty ridiculous to stereo type a entire group of people. With that said, the two french canadians I work with suck beyond belief.

French Canadians in general are assholes! I was born in Montreal and lived there until I was 11. French Canadians also look down upon immigrants - because they choose to adopt English as their 2nd language and not French.

When I moved to Toronto, I noticed immediately how much nicer people were - from teachers, to students, to shopkeepers, etc...
 
I'm mostly French Canadian, so I'm not really surprised to hear those kind of stories :lol

Most typical Quebecer tourists will go into the US with an asshole attitude since they can't speak English properly. There's still people around here who still refuse to learn the language.

That said, I can speak with a proper American accent, so I guess I'm safe. I'll just be an asshole if there's a jerk telling me that I'm investing in a "dead" format :lol
 
DarkJediKnight said:
French Canadians in general are assholes! I was born in Montreal and lived there until I was 11. French Canadians also look down upon immigrants - because they choose to adopt English as their 2nd language and not French.

When I moved to Toronto, I noticed immediately how much nicer people were - from teachers, to students, to shopkeepers, etc...
that would explain a LOT because the ones I work with are such arrogant, and moronic a-holes. One is a closet racist and is always making these little off colored remarks about minorities.
 
The Main Event said:
I'm mostly French Canadian, so I'm not really surprised to hear those kind of stories :lol

Most typical Quebecer tourists will go into the US with an asshole attitude since they can't speak English properly. There's still people around here who still refuse to learn the language.

That said, I can speak with a proper American accent, so I guess I'm safe. I'll just be an asshole if there's a jerk telling me that I'm investing in a "dead" format :lol
you're investing in a dead format /taunt
 
Ok, time to get back to topic.

Just want to say I picked up the Host on Blu-ray yesterday and watched it on my projector. A really nice transfer. Soundwise, I'm F'ed! My receiver is still in transit for repairs, so I'm using a 2ch amp for now.
 
DarkJediKnight said:
Ok, time to get back to topic.

Just want to say I picked up the Host on Blu-ray yesterday and watched it on my projector. A really nice transfer. Soundwise, I'm F'ed! My receiver is still in transit for repairs, so I'm using a 2ch amp for now.

Once you get it back, I'd like to know if there's a big difference between the PCM and DTS-HD tracks.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
I'm still annoyed that no one is carrying the HD version of the Host in store, so by the time I tried getting it online from my usual place, they were out of stock. Now I'm waiting on it from Amazon along with Hot Fuzz, and their terrible shipping will probably take two weeks to get here.

The subtitles are standard issue, DJK, I hope and not hard-of-hearing style?
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
OH SNAP!

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=77639

Slated for a simultaneous release, Warner Home Video debuts brand-new DVD editions of "The Song Remains The Same", now for the first time with all 14 songs from the original concert. The DVD features newly remixed and remastered sound, 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound, and boasts more than 40 minutes of added bonus material, including never-before-released performance footage of "Over The Hills And Far Away" and "Celebration Day"; plus performances of "Misty Mountain Hop" and "The Ocean"; a rare 1976 BBC interview with Robert Plant and Jimmy Page; vintage TV footage from the Drake Hotel robbery during the New York concert stand; and a Cameron Crowe radio show. The discs will be available as follows:

* Deluxe Edition DVD
* Deluxe Edition HD DVD and Blu-ray
* Limited Collector's Edition – 2-disc set includes collectible vintage T-shirt with original album artwork design, soundtrack CD, lobby cards, reproductions of original premiere invites, tour schedule, and more

"We have revisited 'The Song Remains The Same'," says Jimmy Page, "and can now offer the complete set as played at Madison Square Garden. This differs substantially from the original soundtrack released in 1976, and highlights the technical prowess of Kevin Shirley, who worked with us on 'How The West Was Won'. When it comes to 'The Song Remains The Same', the expansion of the DVD and soundtrack are as good as it gets on the LED ZEPPELIN wish list."

"The Song Remains The Same" track listing:

Disc One:

01. Rock And Roll
02. Celebration Day
03. Black Dog (including Bring It On Home)*
04. Over The Hills*
05. Misty Mountain Hop*
06. Since I've Been Loving You*
07. No Quarter
08. The Song Remains The Same
09. Rain Song
10. The Ocean*

Disc Two:

01. Dazed And Confused
02. Stairway To Heaven
03. Moby Dick
04. Heartbreaker*
05. Whole Lotta Love
 
DarkJediKnight said:
French Canadians in general are assholes! I was born in Montreal and lived there until I was 11. French Canadians also look down upon immigrants - because they choose to adopt English as their 2nd language and not French.

When I moved to Toronto, I noticed immediately how much nicer people were - from teachers, to students, to shopkeepers, etc...

****, I don't find the people in Toronto to be all that great. Very cold city.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
The Main Event said:
Once you get it back, I'd like to know if there's a big difference between the PCM and DTS-HD tracks.

There should be. There isn't anything that will decode the fill DTs-ma, so it'll be 1.5mb DTS Vs PCM. PCM should be noticably better. I just love how there seems to be more dynamic range on uncompressed soundtracks. I can listen to them at a decent volume for the dialog and not be deafened by the soundtrack
 

Petrarca

Banned
SDCC 07: Sony Talks Blu-ray

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/808/808986p1.html

July 28, 2007 - The great thing about the San Diego Comic-Con is the incredible accessibility of any number of major players within the industry. So when we rolled up to Sony's booth and shook the hand of Rich Marty - Sony's VP of New Business Development - we got their official take on the next-gen format war directly from the source himself.

So why Blu-ray? For Marty, that seems to be an easy question.

"When you have six or seven of the eight major studios publishing on Blu-ray, the consumers obviously want the content. Especially with all of these blockbuster franchises - Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Pirates, Die Hard. It's so apparent in this fourth quarter just how much more availability there will be over the other formats. Obviously, Blu-ray is Sony, but it's also Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, Samsung…The consumers simply have a wider choice of both hardware and movies to choose from…"

And what does Marty see as the highlight of the Blu-ray collection thus far?

"Last year, we kicked it off with Black Hawk Down; then the next showcase piece was Casino Royal - still the number-one selling title - and then, of course, coming up in this next quarter is Spiderman 3 with an absolutely beautiful picture and all kinds of great extras. So it's safe to say that we'll have this whole breadth of great content available for everybody."

Our time on the floor is short, but Marty leaves us with his impression of just what makes next-gen so damn next-gen:

"The most important thing with next-gen is the picture. That's the reason why people are jumping into high-def. Then, coming into that, you build it up with all the extras you can. And BDJ - Java - allows you to do all kinds of great things, like BD Live and network connectivity. Potentially live events, downloadable trailers, commentaries, etc…We'll be building into that functionality in the beginning of next year."

But is he ready to declare Sony the winner? Like any prizefighter, he weaves politely around the question.

"It's a year into the format now, so we're really going to be expanding and testing all the levels to really give the consumer the best experience. It's about keeping it fresh and finding ways keep adding layers."

And that was our too-brief time. It wasn't much - to be honest - as company rhetoric is simply so thick and ever-present between the formats, but if the incredibly quick preview we saw of the Spiderman 3 Blu-ray DVD is any indication, the format is about to get it's next heavy-hitter.

oooooohhh, the beating is about to get brutal, Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, Ratatoullle....
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
Anyone see any of the "300" commercials. I gotten used to seeing them until just a few minutes ago, I was watching a program and then the commercial for "300" so i was ok another, but this commercial was only about the blu-ray version of "300" and it said that you can play it on your playstation 3.

I don't ever thought I'd see a HD-DVD or Blu-ray only commercial, especially if the movie was out on other formats.
 

Petrarca

Banned
neojubei said:
Anyone see any of the "300" commercials. I gotten used to seeing them until just a few minutes ago, I was watching a program and then the commercial for "300" so i was ok another, but this commercial was only about the blu-ray version of "300" and it said that you can play it on your playstation 3.

I don't ever thought I'd see a HD-DVD or Blu-ray only commercial, especially if the movie was out on other formats.


if that's the case, then BDA picked up the tab for the ads
 

djkimothy

Member
neojubei said:
Anyone see any of the "300" commercials. I gotten used to seeing them until just a few minutes ago, I was watching a program and then the commercial for "300" so i was ok another, but this commercial was only about the blu-ray version of "300" and it said that you can play it on your playstation 3.

I don't ever thought I'd see a HD-DVD or Blu-ray only commercial, especially if the movie was out on other formats.

BDA marketing > Toshiba's marketing. I have a feeling that there will eventually be HDDVD specific commercials for that title. Toshiba should be aggressive with the advertising campaign with the exclusive content. If not, they will magically shoot themselves in the foot by not advertising that fact.
 

Petrarca

Banned
djkimothy said:
BDA marketing > Toshiba's marketing. I have a feeling that there will eventually be HDDVD specific commercials for that title. Toshiba should be aggressive with the advertising campaign with the exclusive content. If not, they will magically shoot themselves in the foot by not advertising that fact.


BDA companies pooled money to promote the format, so whatever big movies come out, no matter from which studio, they can use that money. Each company in BDA board of members pay substantial fee to be in that group. In return they will get bigger royalty fee share. So Warner actually paid a lot of money to be in the BDA.

That's not the case with HD-DVD, Toshiba/MS/Universal are just companies with the same interest with no legal association. So far MS has been picking up the tab for ads, lowering 360 add-on, etc. Toshiba is already taking hit for each player they sold. So ads money is scarce for HD-DVD.

The thing is that MS is only half-heartedly supporting HD-DVD. Everyone knows what MS intention is, HD-download. MS only wants to prolong this war, without wanting anyone of them to succeed. If MS really supported HD-DVD 100%, they would've ended it by now by including HD-DVD with 360
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
neojubei said:
Anyone see any of the "300" commercials. I gotten used to seeing them until just a few minutes ago, I was watching a program and then the commercial for "300" so i was ok another, but this commercial was only about the blu-ray version of "300" and it said that you can play it on your playstation 3.

I don't ever thought I'd see a HD-DVD or Blu-ray only commercial, especially if the movie was out on other formats.
I havnt seen that one, I have seen "300 on DVD and Hi def tuesday" where it shows all three boxes for the movie, seen it several times today. they are whoring it out, as if it didnt already make a butt load of money. :lol
 

Petrarca

Banned
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/211486/

wow this is harsh

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The Beginning of the End for HD-DVD?

The high-def battle between Blu-ray and HD-DVD is no longer about the consumer, but about partnerships. If you thought the choice was up to you, think again. The Blu-ray camp is playing its cards right, winning another hand that will hurt the competition.

Digital Journal — The battle between high-definition DVD formats, Blu-ray and HD-DVD, has been heated for more than a year now. One camp publishes numbers saying players are selling well, then the other publishes a study saying more people prefer the way they do special features on a disc.

It's a confusing mess for the consumer, a frustrating process for anyone who thinks to themselves: Just get the whole thing over with already so the price can come down and I can get me a player.

Well, that could very well be happening but it might not be obvious to everyone yet. The Blu-ray team is the shark prowling the high-def waters, eating up everything just beneath the surface.

This week, retail giant Target announced it will only carry the Sony-backed Blu-ray format through the lucrative holiday shopping season, dealing a huge blow to Toshiba right between the HD-DVD players. Target is the second largest retailer in the United States.

Target released a statement saying they would carry Blu-ray stand-alone players exclusively "at least through the holiday season" and will add to the inventory of titles they carry for the player (they haven't totally killed HD-DVD - more on that in a minute). The deal will start in October and promote Sony's BDP-S300 player that sells for about $500.

Target is the second major retailer to go with the Blu-ray format, after Blockbuster announced its U.S. plans to do the same in June. Blockbuster said Blu-ray rentals are "significantly outpacing HD-DVD rentals."

A report published by Forbes says Target chose Blu-ray to help create resolution in the format war that has kept "confused consumers from rushing to buy new DVD players until they can determine which format will dominate the market."

HD-DVD stand-alone players will still be sold on Target's website, but in store the only HD-DVD player you will find will be the add-on for the Xbox 360. Anyone who wants choice needs both players in front of them, so HD-DVD will undeniably be hurt by Target's move, regardless if the players are still sold online.

Toshiba and the HD-DVD team were no doubt a little shaken by Target's announcement; as Ken Graffeo, Executive Vice President of HD Strategic Marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment, said in a statement:

Target will continue to carry the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive as well as HD DVD titles so we don't see much of a change in their plans to carry both formats. In fact, they continue to sell Toshiba HD DVD players on their web site. Sony appears to have bought an end cap, just as HD DVD has in retail stores such as BestBuy and Circuit City.

What's important is that stand alone HD-DVD players are still much more affordable than Blu-ray players, plus they offer a better experience - just compare titles appearing in both formats like "300" or "Blood Diamond." Ultimately consumers will be the ones that determine what format provides the greatest value.

The war between Blu-ray and HD-DVD is evolving into a battle that is being fought behind the scenes. The idea that the consumer will be the one to decide the winner of the format war is an illusion. Forget about features, price, technology — none of that matters anymore. It's now about smoke and mirrors.

The format war will be won by partnerships, because an HD-DVD player will not come out on top if nobody can find it. And Microsoft's Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on will not be the saving grace for the format. Consumers, Ma and Pa, will want a stand-alone player, not a gaming console.

The problem with the format war now, is that it is fighting on three fronts; in North America, in Europe and in Japan.

In North America, we hear about Blu-ray sales doing well; Digital Entertainment Group (a group that promotes both formats) says 1.5 million Blu-ray players have been sold in the U.S. (1.4 million of those players were PlayStation 3 consoles). HD-DVD, on the other hand, has only sold 300,000 HD-DVD players according to Digital Entertainment Group (and half of those are the external HD-DVD drive that comes with the Xbox 360). Sony's PS3 has been an enormous success for Blu-ray in North America.

But in Europe, the game is much different, as HD-DVD stand-alone players have outsold Blu-ray three-to-one according to Reuters.

And finally, the mess is made more confusing by executives who spin numbers to make them look like they are out ahead; take a look at how HD-DVD exec Ken Graffeo spins increased sales percentage to sound like Toshiba has sold more units in total than Blu-ray competitors. He notes how HD-DVD sales are up 37 per cent while Blu-ray is down 27 per cent. Of course he's paid to spin the numbers to sound great, but when you aren't working with real numbers of units shipped, a percentage increase or decrease means absolutely nothing. Total unit sales are all that matters.

And so we leave you, Mr. and Mrs. consumer in a tricky spot: The bad news is that it's still not quite over, and both Blu-ray and HD-DVD teams have so much money invested in winning that they will do whatever it takes to win — even if it means deceiving or confusing you to the point where you think you should be locked up in a padded room out of sheer frustration. Numbers are twisted almost everywhere they are reported and the talking heads from both sides spew more emissions than coal-fired plants.

But the good news is, perhaps we are all lucky Blu-ray is strong-arming the industry from behind the scenes. At least it will put an end to this battle and we can all pick up a Blu-ray player knowing it won't be obsolete in six months.

That is, until another format emerges
 
for those in the hd dvd camp, are you guys still buying hd dvd movies? Why if so and IF the format is truly dead as some suggest, what will you do with your hd dvd stock piles?
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
djkimothy said:
BDA marketing > Toshiba's marketing. I have a feeling that there will eventually be HDDVD specific commercials for that title. Toshiba should be aggressive with the advertising campaign with the exclusive content. If not, they will magically shoot themselves in the foot by not advertising that fact.

I actually saw a pretty cool ad for HD DVD last night @ the movies when I went to see Sunshine.

Mustaphadamus are you serious or just trolling/flame baiting? Anyways why would we stop buying movies? Great movies are beinged released week after week.
 

LM4sure

Banned
Ignatz Mouse said:
It's just the HD group's spin on it. The details remain the same-- only BD players + the 360 add-on in Target brick-and-mortar stores come Fall.

and there's your spin. shut up. hd-dvd 4 life!
 
Mustaphadamus said:
for those in the hd dvd camp, are you guys still buying hd dvd movies? Why if so and IF the format is truly dead as some suggest, what will you do with your hd dvd stock piles?
Watch them?

I doubt that once the format "dies", the format police will be coming to my house to confiscate all my discs. As long as you have working players, I'm not sure it's anything you'd have to lose sleep over.
 
neojubei said:
Anyone see any of the "300" commercials. I gotten used to seeing them until just a few minutes ago, I was watching a program and then the commercial for "300" so i was ok another, but this commercial was only about the blu-ray version of "300" and it said that you can play it on your playstation 3.

I don't ever thought I'd see a HD-DVD or Blu-ray only commercial, especially if the movie was out on other formats.

I saw the HD DVD version of that ad.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Mustaphadamus said:
for those in the hd dvd camp, are you guys still buying hd dvd movies? Why if so and IF the format is truly dead as some suggest, what will you do with your hd dvd stock piles?

We already went over this. HDDVD fans like to keep around obsolete hardware, rather then buying their content on the player that will obviously, and more then likely be the last one standing.

The ones that just buy universal, and can't wait for the blu-rays versions.. it's their choice, they obviously are huge fans of movies, or have a ton of money to throw around. The ones that buy all multi platform titles on HD-DVD, and have bother players, are hilarious, or just have money to throw around AND like to keep around an extra device in their home theater, for a small selection of movies. On the bright side, they don't have to worry about anyone borrowing their HD-DVD movies :lol
 
Shogmaster said:
Watch them?

I doubt that once the format "dies", the format police will be coming to my house to confiscate all my discs. As long as you have working players, I'm not sure it's anything you'd have to lose sleep over.

Man, I'm beginning to think Tablet PC is the only thing you've championed that's had staying power; and even that's the slightest pulse. :p

Anecdotal On: Odd I was looking at the Sunday ads today and noticed that HD-DVD movies were $5 more than the already overpriced Blu-Ray disks on average.

DROP PRICES! DROP!

After watching Spiderman 3 last night, I'm actually kind of interested to watch the BR disk on my PS3.
 
LM4sure said:
and there's your spin. shut up. hd-dvd 4 life!


Right, becuase Ken Graffeo, who likes to talk about tie ratios, standalones, and sales-increase percentages but likes to ignore Toshiba lowering it's sales projectiosn by 40+% and the 2-3:1 sales lead Blu-ray has in software for 6 months straight is the paragon of truth!
 
I wipe my own ass said:
So should I buy an HD-DVD player or a Blu-Ray player?

Unless you are a big cinephile and really have to have one now, I'd honestly wait it out until one format wins. I'm a Blu Ray guy myself, but this is what I've been telling my friends.
 

Petrarca

Banned
I wipe my own ass said:
So should I buy an HD-DVD player or a Blu-Ray player?

Do your own research. watch the market trend. See whose movies you like (Universal vs Disney+Fox+Sony+MGM+LionsGate)

then decide
 

el Diablo

Banned
neojubei said:
Anyone see any of the "300" commercials. I gotten used to seeing them until just a few minutes ago, I was watching a program and then the commercial for "300" so i was ok another, but this commercial was only about the blu-ray version of "300" and it said that you can play it on your playstation 3.

I don't ever thought I'd see a HD-DVD or Blu-ray only commercial, especially if the movie was out on other formats.

Posted the exact same thing back on Fri. :lol
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Kleegamefan said:


If it was just the original version, I'd probably pass. It's too bad they waited until that point in their careers to make a live video. They were quite wasted, and kind of phoning it in a bit.


Regardless, the full set-list has me intrigued ... as does the fact that Kevin Shirley is handling the remastering. I thought the DVDA of How The West Was Won was pretty good.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Petrarca said:
A report published by Forbes says Target chose Blu-ray to help create resolution in the format war that has kept "confused consumers from rushing to buy new DVD players until they can determine which format will dominate the market."]

Oh wow ... that's pretty bad if true.

Unlike the Blockbuster thing, Target is stating they are actively helping to end the format war.
 

YYZ

Junior Member
Hey guys I have a bunch of questions.

Which version of Planet Earth is better? The BBC one or the one narrated by Sigourney Weaver? Is it even possible to buy the American one? What special features are missing from the HD-DVD/BD releases versus the DVD box set?

Is there any chance of the Blu-Ray version of 300 receiving the same hi-def extras that the HD-DVD version has sometime in the future?
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Man, I'm beginning to think Tablet PC is the only thing you've championed that's had staying power; and even that's the slightest pulse. :p

Anecdotal On: Odd I was looking at the Sunday ads today and noticed that HD-DVD movies were $5 more than the already overpriced Blu-Ray disks on average.

DROP PRICES! DROP!

After watching Spiderman 3 last night, I'm actually kind of interested to watch the BR disk on my PS3.


Dude, I NEVER championed HD-DVD. I predicted grim non-interest for both BR and HD-DVD from the public plus Laser disc 2 status for both over and over in GAF. I happen to own some HD-DVDs since they offered the 360 add-on for $160 last year. I fully expect the standard to croak eventually.
 

Petrarca

Banned
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Tartan Video choses Blu-ray in a "no-brainer" decision
Black Book, Oldboy and Seventh Seal get BD release

30 July 2007 - Tartan Video has announced the release of its first high definition titles. Choosing the go with the Sony-backed Blu-ray format, it's releasing three classic movies.

Tartan Video’s owner Hamish McAlpine, says, "To go with Blu-ray was a no-brainer for Tartan. Not only is the format superior to HD-DVD, but also the fact that 7 out of 8 studios have chosen to release their films on Blu-ray means that this so-called ‘format war’ is over before it has really begun."

Particularly topical following the sad news of director Ingmar Bergman's death, one of the three films will be a special 50th Anniversary edition of existential gloom-fest The Seventh Seal.

Paul Verhoeven’s excellent world war II epic, Black Book, also sees a BD release as does cult revenge thriller, Oldboy which is also released by Tartan US. All three releases are worldwide Blu-ray premieres.
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
Shogmaster said:
Dude, I NEVER championed HD-DVD. I predicted grim non-interest for both BR and HD-DVD from the public plus Laser disc 2 status for both over and over in GAF. I happen to own some HD-DVDs since they offered the 360 add-on for $160 last year. I fully expect the standard to croak eventually.

Problems with LD is that it was nothing like VHS; completely incompatible formats.

The upside for BD/HD-DVD is that they have backwards compatibility. They upscale DVDs...

In a few years, when the prices are at commodity rates for BD, why wouldn't people pick up BD players that can play HD movies with more and better features, while improving their old movies? They buy a HDTV for a few hundred bucks, why wouldn't they lay down another 50-100 when the salespeople, confident in pushing HD at that point, tell them, to get full advantage of their new flat panel, they definetly want to get a HD player.

LD on the other hand... well, that was bulky as shit, and incompatible with VHS!
 

Wollan

Member
Paul Verhoeven's Black Book is excellent. Other WW2 movies focus on the tragedy while this one just has a incredible pace. Don't get me wrong, there's highly tragic events in this movie that get their fair share of screen time but the whole thing is kinda crazy. It's almost as if they tried to do each scene as fast as possible with great acting and it surprises you to the very end. Highly recommended.
 
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