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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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chinaismine
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Except that he's not denying that someone paid Paramount. He (along with the other Microsoft insiders on AVS) is saying that Microsoft didn't pay.jjasper said:
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
If you believe that guy, then you probably believe MS when they said there was nothing wrong with the X360 as well.
"Y'know. Things just break."
MS has the money and the interest. They don't necessarily have to pony up the whole 150 million, nor do they have to pay Paramount directly.
They simply put funds in the HD-DVD pool and mark them for 'corporate takeover' use, while suggesting to the HD-DVD group that they should consider money-hatting one of the neutrals.
Unless the mainstream media get hold of hard facts like they did with the X360 break down rates and start reporting on the issue, MS aren't going to admit diddly-squat. Trouble is, the hard facts in this case is going to be a little more tricky to get hold of.
Why wouldn't MS want to deny culpability in the matter? admission that money hats were passed around would weaken the marketing line the group has carefully prepared.
"Y'know. Things just break."
MS has the money and the interest. They don't necessarily have to pony up the whole 150 million, nor do they have to pay Paramount directly.
They simply put funds in the HD-DVD pool and mark them for 'corporate takeover' use, while suggesting to the HD-DVD group that they should consider money-hatting one of the neutrals.
Unless the mainstream media get hold of hard facts like they did with the X360 break down rates and start reporting on the issue, MS aren't going to admit diddly-squat. Trouble is, the hard facts in this case is going to be a little more tricky to get hold of.
Why wouldn't MS want to deny culpability in the matter? admission that money hats were passed around would weaken the marketing line the group has carefully prepared.
distantmantra
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Soooo... how 'bout them movies?
Just paid off my preorders for Black Book and Tekkonkinkreet on Blu-ray...
Just paid off my preorders for Black Book and Tekkonkinkreet on Blu-ray...
StoOgE said:
We will never know because what if MS funneled the money through the DVD forum or HD DVD group (or whatever it is called) and it is with all the other money they have invested in it.
The money came from somewhere but where else could it have come from? Does Toshiba or Universal have that kind of money to throw around? Even if Universal did would they give it to a competing company?
Like I said though at this point it doesn't matter, they can say they didn't for how ever long they want some people will and some won't believe them. I think you know who will be on which side.
what kind of spin is this? Availability of BD studio movies in Europe is nothing to do with replication costs. Its all to do with distribution rights outside of the US.
And who cares about actual pressing costs? Surely its only the cost to the studio that counts, and I thought the BDA were making sure they ate some of the cost so that the overall pressing costs for studios were roughly on par?
distantmantra
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Xater said:
Yeah, me too. I actually paid the rest of that off too. I took the piggy bank in my office to the local CoinStar machine and converted it into an Amazon e-certificate. Paid off my preorders for Tekkon Kinkreet, Black Book, Wings of Honneamise and Blade Runner.
distantmantra
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XMonkey said:
Domestic release on September 25th:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TGCR3S/?tag=neogaf0e-20
distantmantra
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StoOgE said:
I'm still stunned that the MSRP is only $40. I keep waiting for the price to jump.
distantmantra said:
Seeing this cover (I know nothing about the movie) I reminded me that today I had Paprika in my hands. Is it any good? (sam question for Tekkon)
I am also interested in how the Pan's Labaryth BD will turn out. (It's a german release so don't get your import hopes up. It will not have english subtitles).
distantmantra
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Xater said:
I loved Paprika and really enjoyed Tekkonkinkreet. They're both "out there" anime, so keep that in mind.
Ignatz Mouse
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The Blade Runner ultimate set was going to be a big purchase of mine, now I'm not sure if I'll wait or just get the regular release.
CrushDance
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Where can one get Blu-Ray anime(Especially Bleach) in Canada? I only like Bleach, Naruto(ew), One piece(funny). And they're all Shonen though so I'm not sure.
The Main Event said:
The reasons given by that post are BS. MS' main gripe against Blu-ray is their unwaivering support for BDJ. Which would put Java into virtually every living room if Blu-ray succeeds. Much more fearful is that if Blu-ray finds a home on PCs if it wins this format war (as DVD players have replaced CD players); then a large majority of PCs will have JRE installed to play Blu-rays. However, as far as this Paramont deal. There is no evidence of MS' involvement. More importantly, Toshiba is absolutely flush with money.
Toshiba just won a $9 billion deal to make nuclear reactors for the Chinese governent. They also made a billion dollar deal with the Kazakhstan's government for secure supply of Uranium (in exchange for 10% of their Toshiba-Westinghouse unit). On top that, their NAND business is growing rapidly; showing a good fight against Samsung's dominant NAND unit. As the main beneficiary of the 6C, and any HD-DVD deal, they are the likely key player in this deal.
distantmantra
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CrushDance said:
You can't. There aren't any shonen fighting anime or any TV series for that matter available on Blu-ray. So far, it's been theatrical movies only.
chinaismine
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With gross profits of over 14 billion dollars in 2006 Toshiba could easily afford a 150 million dollar payment.jjasper said:
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
chinaismine said:
Wow. Toshiba are richer than I thought.
If that's the case, those jerks need to just money hat everybody and make a united format.
CrushDance
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Thanks. I guess it'll be a while.distantmantra said:
Ignatz Mouse
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Crayon Shinchan said:
Amen. Sony will (eventually) fall in line with everybody else on board. Do it, Toshiba!
BTW, where does this info (surprising to me) leave those underdog-backers? MS and Toshiba are underdogs?
Crayon Shinchan
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Thiavo will be thiavo. Specious reasoning is a forte of his.
Alcibiades
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Universal, who is in charge of the HD DVD Promotion Group, already said that if Paramount and Dreamworks made any money or advertising deals, it wasn't with HD DVD group.
Most likely, Toshiba made some advertising deals with Dreamworks to use the Shrek and/or Transformers characters to sell players and maybe bought some discs to use for bundles or giveaways.
It's also possible Microsoft is providing tech support for Paramount, but they do this with all VC-1 supporting studios anyway...
The $150 million rumor is probably a combination of these things, although whatever contracts were signed were probably between Toshiba, Viacom (owner of Paramount and Dreamworks Pictures), and Dreamworks Animation (completely separate company).
Most likely, Toshiba made some advertising deals with Dreamworks to use the Shrek and/or Transformers characters to sell players and maybe bought some discs to use for bundles or giveaways.
It's also possible Microsoft is providing tech support for Paramount, but they do this with all VC-1 supporting studios anyway...
The $150 million rumor is probably a combination of these things, although whatever contracts were signed were probably between Toshiba, Viacom (owner of Paramount and Dreamworks Pictures), and Dreamworks Animation (completely separate company).
Wikipedia is your friend...StoOgE said:
Still, the contract is with Paramount. This doesn't force Viacom (or it's owner) to submit contents from their other companies exclusively to the HD-DVD format, but it might be much simplier that way...Wikipedia said:
Alcibiades
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no, Viacom split into 2 corporations a couple of years ago: Viacom & CBS Corp.StoOgE said:
CBS Corp. is "slow growth" tv networks like CBS, CW, and Showtime, etc...
Viacom is "fast growth" businesses like Paramount/Dreamworks, MTV, Nick, etc...
That said, CBS, IIRC uses some Paramount label to distribute their shows.
Look on the side of the box...jjasper said:
The format war is still undecided...oh shit wait....
71:29 Blu-ray
YTD is 67:33
SI is 61:39
1. 300 BD 100.00
2. Wild Hogs BD 77.63
3. 300 HD 45.18
4. Vacancy BD 21.34
5. Disturbia 16.96
6. PE BD 15.22
7. The Lookout BD 12.29
8. TMNT BD 11.89
9. PE HD 10.95
10. Doctor Strange BD 10.77
xx Disturbia HD 7.88
xx TMNT HD 5.17
xx Hot Fuzz HD 5.10
xx Bourne Identity HD 4.51
71:29 Blu-ray
YTD is 67:33
SI is 61:39
1. 300 BD 100.00
2. Wild Hogs BD 77.63
3. 300 HD 45.18
4. Vacancy BD 21.34
5. Disturbia 16.96
6. PE BD 15.22
7. The Lookout BD 12.29
8. TMNT BD 11.89
9. PE HD 10.95
10. Doctor Strange BD 10.77
xx Disturbia HD 7.88
xx TMNT HD 5.17
xx Hot Fuzz HD 5.10
xx Bourne Identity HD 4.51
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