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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Mrbob said:
The format war is still undecided...oh shit wait....

71:29 Blu-ray

YTD is 67:33
SI is 61:39

1. 300 BD 100.00
2. Wild Hogs BD 77.63
3. 300 HD 45.18
4. Vacancy BD 21.34
5. Disturbia 16.96
6. PE BD 15.22
7. The Lookout BD 12.29
8. TMNT BD 11.89
9. PE HD 10.95
10. Doctor Strange BD 10.77

xx Disturbia HD 7.88
xx TMNT HD 5.17
xx Hot Fuzz HD 5.10
xx Bourne Identity HD 4.51
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welcome to two pages ago!
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
jjasper said:
I guess I am wrong about Viacom, but I really think my how I met your mother dvd has Fox on it.
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grr.

Why cant networks just keep their own shows on their own channels so as not to confuse me.

anyway, Fox should release it on BRD so someone can enjoy the hilarity in HD.
 
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distantmantra

Member
Even though I'm a "blu dude," it saddens me to see Wild Hogs outselling the 300 HD-DVD...

StoOgE said:
anyway, Fox should release it on BRD so someone can enjoy the hilarity in HD.
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The "slaps" in HD would be awesome.

I'm actually surprised that Fox hasn't announced Firefly for Blu-ray. It's been running on Universal HD for quite some time now.
 
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chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
This coming week will be interesting sales wise...lots of HD-DVD releases vs no BD releases.

It could potentially be awesome. :D
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

Member
http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/4667/6/0

Hello,

No offense, but for those that don't know. Toshiba is pronounced "Toe-Sha-Baaa" Not "Toe-She-Baa". The Japanese really become offended when you can't pronounce their names. :)

First time poster, long time lurker. I just thought I would shed some light on the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format discussion. Currently I work for one of Toshiba's sister companies and let me tell you, they're not giving up on this fight. I've heard through the grapevine that Toshiba has pledged a 275 million dollar advertising campaign for these last few months of 2007. They're still conducting their talks and as of right now, they're in discussions with Warner Bros Inc. to release movies exclusively on the HD-DVD format.

They (Toshiba) purchased the company I'm employed by for 2.7 billion dollars and within 2 months of purchasing this company, they (Toshiba) was just awarded a 60 billion dollar contract. From a fiscal standpoint, Toshiba made over 57 billion in total profit in the first few months.

Granted, that doesn't really apply here. I guess what I'm trying to get at is the fact that Toshiba has money coming out of their ears right now and in a sense, they can bleed Sony for as long as they want. As most of you know, Sony has been operating in the red for quite some time now and it's not going to end any time soon. This is a company that does NOT believe in failure nor do they intend on conceding to Sony Corp.

Watch and see....
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Haha?
 
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jjasper

Member
Chemo said:
I think I'm about done reading "insider info." This is all bullshit until I see a press release.
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The only "insider info" worth reading about are from people who work in the retail chain and see release lists.
 
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Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
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Raistlin

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Groder Mullet said:
Considering Toshiba didn't even pull $57B in revenue last year, let along profit, this moron is either clueless or a lying sack of shit.

http://www.hoovers.com/toshiba/--ID__41888,ticker__TOSBF--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml
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I believe he is referring to some of the atomic powerplant contracts Toshiba/Westinghouse received recently (China I think?). They were for many billions iirc. However, they are likely spread out in payments, so wouldn't necessarily show up.


That said, Toshiba is a conglomerate, not unlike Mitsubishi. So that info you have may not ever be referring to the correct company. Regardless, due to the nature of the company ... it can't just randomly share money between its different parts. In other words, his references to atomic contracts are moot as far as HD DVD is concerned, since it is a separate company.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Crayon Shinchan said:
No more value judgements against others on how they choose to spend their moneys k?
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That's not why I got banned. But thanks for reminding me that I will, for the first time, activate the ignore feature. Congrats on being the very first.

And yeah, I KNOW you don't care. Obviously, neither do I. PM me if you have anything further to say to me.

1 "c" user down, two to go.

And did we seriously only now figure out that Toshiba had enough money to pay off Paramount, and that Microsoft has actually been telling the truth all along, in that they paid nothing?
 
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Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
VanMardigan said:
And did we seriously only now figure out that Toshiba had enough money to pay off Paramount, and that Microsoft has actually been telling the truth all along, in that they paid nothing?
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Toshiba is a conglomerate, it can't randomly take money from Westinghouse and give it to the company handling HD DVD. I honestly don't know how much Toshiba Electronics (whatever their official name is) has.

Regardless of how much, that doesn't mean MS didn't pay part or all of it anyway. Until more info comes to light, I'm going to assume Toshiba did it ... that said, I wouldn't be surprised if MS was involved either.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Besides Kevin Collins, Amir has also explicitly denied MS paying any money. They even asked him about the scenario talked about earlier in the thread with them handing money to the HD DVD group and that money being used for the payout, and he flatly denied that as well. This seems to be a Toshiba move, but believe what you will.


Question for Amir: Amir, do you categorically deny that Microsoft provided funding or some other incentive(s) (or promise of such funding or incentives)to an intermediary entity (or entities) which, in turn, provided incentives to Paramount in consideration of their going HD-DVD exclusive?


Amir Majidimehr: Yes, I am denying that too. We didn't pay them. We didn't pay anyone else to pay them. We didn't give them $50M worth of MS software either. Nor did we pave their parking lot for them for free. We didn't buy an apartment for their execs in Paris. Or pay to have a pool put in their house for free. Or send their kids to college. Or give them free employment at Microsoft. Anything else I missed?

Come on people. Don't you know that I anticipate folks being smart enough to ask me about every possibility before I made the first statement? I am confident of our stance and ethical conduct here or I would not risk my job under my real name to state such defentive answers.
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Christoff Yurievich

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distantmantra said:
I'm still stunned that the MSRP is only $40. I keep waiting for the price to jump.
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see, I posted this in the Blade Runner thread:
bune duggy said:
two coupon codes for this via the warner website. first is TVWS, which is 25% off but may not work anymore (it worked for me earlier today but supposedly has an expiration date of today) and second is WBWEL, which is 20% off. A bonus is that if you get your order over $60, you get free shipping. A second bonus is that you can pre-order all of the Kubrick stuff from that web site using these coupons as well.

http://whv.warnerbros.com/
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and I used the coupon
1 Blade Runner: Complete Collector's Edition (BD)
Blu-Ray
Price $22.46 (Savings $7.49)
ADVANCED ORDER
Estimated Street Date 12-18-2007
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plus ordered two other movies so I got free shipping. and yeah, I do think that's a great price to pay for a 5-blu-ray-disc set, especially one of a movie that I enjoy as much as that.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

Banned
Does it really matter who paid them, or even if they were paid?


So Van, why did you get banned? You were being a bit of a jerk, but nothing unlike other posters on both sides of this war at the time.
 
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Petrarca

Banned
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not fair
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Does it really matter who paid them, or even if they were paid?


So Van, why did you get banned? You were being a bit of a jerk, but nothing unlike other posters on both sides of this war at the time.
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Pro Sony/Pro BR admin. Stuff was getting heated (not really), and I was the HD DVD guy. This is the post that got me banned. Just look at what happened to mana with the tag and look at the tag thaivo has. :(

But anyway, it doesn't really matter who paid, except that the sour grape posters were pushing MS as the payer to push their "MS is out to sabotage HD disc" agenda. I'm actually surprised at how candid amir was, and agreed with him when he pointed out that the BR Insiders refused to answer questions about the incentives that are keeping Fox and Disney exclusive.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
iirc, Best Buy and Circuit City already have endcap agreements with HD DVD. They might have 1st dibs on an exclusivity agreement. As for retailers, after the BDA bought out Target, the next obvious choice is the mother ship herself: Wal-Mart.

I'm sure both sides are vigorously moving to secure shelf space there for software AND hardware.
 
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BoboBrazil

Member
I don't think Wal-Mart can be bought out. Maybe Fry's although that won't make that much of an impact...I just want this whole thing to be over soon...
 
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BoboBrazil

Member
Well if I get that I wanna get Flags of our Fathers and that at the same time...Lot of movies I need to get. Still haven't got Apocalypto or The Departed either...
 
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HocusPocus

Member
Cold-Steel said:
Toshiba is getting desperate, hopefully this means the Blu-ray Association fights fire with fire.
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You mean they are cutting tons of deals to get exclusive studio support now? That sounds very similar to another high definition format from the start.
 
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Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
VanMardigan said:
Pro Sony/Pro BR admin. Stuff was getting heated (not really), and I was the HD DVD guy. This is the post that got me banned. Just look at what happened to mana with the tag and look at the tag thaivo has. :(

But anyway, it doesn't really matter who paid, except that the sour grape posters were pushing MS as the payer to push their "MS is out to sabotage HD disc" agenda. I'm actually surprised at how candid amir was, and agreed with him when he pointed out that the BR Insiders refused to answer questions about the incentives that are keeping Fox and Disney exclusive.
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I don't know how that's the post that gets you banned... paramount/dreamworks been worthwhile without spielberg is a matter of opinion. On the other hand, questioning how Captive's dad spends his money and then making slights against his wealth because he doesn't buy both formats is pretty poor form I thought. Oh well, it doesn't matter anymore.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

Member
Just saw the Blades of Glory commercial on The CW.

"Available this Tuesday on DVD and HD DVD".

And similar to the Sony Blu-ray commercials, the HD DVD cover is sitting in front of the DVD version (if I saw that right).
 
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rc213

Member
The Main Event said:
Just saw the Blades of Glory commercial on The CW.

"Available this Tuesday on DVD and HD DVD".

And similar to the Sony Blu-ray commercials, the HD DVD cover is sitting in front of the DVD version (if I saw that right).
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Yup, Did you happen to catch it yesterday? It didn't mention HD DVD at all.
 
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bill0527

Member
BoboBrazil said:
Well if I get that I wanna get Flags of our Fathers and that at the same time...Lot of movies I need to get. Still haven't got Apocalypto or The Departed either...
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You better hurry. Flags of our Fathers is a Paramount release and they are not replenishing Blu-Ray stock. I bought it a couple of days ago off Amazon.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

Member
http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/08/ending-hdtv-dvd-war.html

It has been an amazing week in the world of High Definition media (HDM) on the Internet forums starting with the Paramount/Dreamworks HD-DVD exclusivity announcement. Fanboys or both red and blu persuasions have been working overdrive spinning the announcement this way and that, proclaiming that their side would be victorious. While some of the postings on sites have been amusing, some have been downright deceitful or libelous, uncalled for and beneath us as HT enthusiasts. To calls of payoffs, the Microsoft behind it all and wanting to rule the world, to Michael Bay being a savior to then being a villain to Steven Spielberg releasing only on BD and not HD, not ever and Sony being the root of all evil. People posting claiming big news which will end the war, only to disappear when nothing happens as they said it would. Ok, nevermind! All very sad really.

An example of how things can get out of hand is the announcement that Steve Nickerson a SVP at Warner Brothers was resigning. Given claims that WB was about to make some big announcement, the fanboys were all a twitter, claiming that this meant that WB was going BD exclusive as Mr. Nickerson was pro HD to no he was pro BD and this meant HD exclusivity. In reality, no one posting had a clue who Mr. Nickerson is and whether it meant anything. Maybe he just wanted to spend more time with his family? Guys, get a life! We will find out soon enough whether it means anything at all. Most likely, it does not.

The other main issue posted on the boards is how to end the war. Swanni has even chimed in on three ways that BD can win the war. Maybe so, but at this point, it seems to me that there is only one side that can end the war quickly, and that is HD not BD. The best that BD can hope is to win a war of attrition that will last a couple more years and hope to gain such an edge on software sales to force the hands of the HD exclusive or neutral studios to give up the ghost. On the other hand, HD has the combo and dual disc hand to play, one which BD has not. The combo disc is a flipper, having HD on one side and SD on the other. The dual disc does the same but does not require flipping the disc over. Some HD owners hate the idea of combos, mostly due to the added cost, making, in the case of WB, the BD discs being $5 cheaper than the combo, which in and of itself may explain some of the sales figures of 300 in favor of BD. I like them.

However, with Paramount now HD exclusive, it is possible that Universal, Paramount and Warners can get together and abandon DVD only releases for their films and release HD/DVD combos only. They would, of course, have to price them more like DVDs and give up their
insane HDM price points. I would suggest a $19.99 msrp. The almost immediate result will be sales of millions upon millions of HD DVD discs almost overnight. What will the Nielsen rankings look like then?

Consumers could buy the discs in confidence knowing that they will always have the DVD side. With numerous discs in the house, they would be more inclined to buy an HD player to take advantage of the much better picture and sound on the other side of the disc. With HD player approaching $199 and lower soon, HD players will reach the point of impulse buys, further fueling sales of the HD discs. The combos would also be travel friendly, as they will play on portable DVD player, laptops and car players as well. Combos are impossible for BD as the DVD Forum will not permit them. I just can't imagine families buying a BD for the house and a separate DVD of the same film for travel purposes. All of this, of course, hinges on the price of the discs. It would be impossible for Fox and Disney to resist entering such a market were it to come to pass. With Fox and Disney becoming neutral, the war would be as good as over.

I acknowledge that what I am proposing would be a bold move by the studios. However, if they want to end the war and do so quickly, it is the most logical alternative.
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