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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
DarkJediKnight said:
A bit off topic but SAY HALLO TO MY NOT SO LITT'O FRIEND!

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Onkyo 805 THX Ultra receiver. I decided I wanted to go the HDMI 1.3 route as I wanted to be able to pass DTS MA bitsteam from the new 3rd gen players coming (PS3 is included as well since it's 1.3).

Once my Marantz is fixed and returted to me, it goes for sale. I'm gonna take a slight hit on overall quality, but the new DSPs in the Onkyo are top notch and should balance it all out.

:D :D :D :D
I think your really going to like it, i love my 705.
Though i paid half that for my 705.
 
I went to Niagra Falls last night and went to the US with a few of my friends. I visited a Circuit City, saw it, tried it out and bought it. $899+tax. Had to pay duty and taxes at the border as well. But man is this thing heavy! 50+lbs.

Sounds monsterous. I can tell it doesn't have the liquidy sensability to the sound as my Marantz did for music, but this is a step up for movies.

THX Ultra 2 Cinema mode rocks my place to the ground. I watched Batman Begins on HD DVD and the Tumbler scene blocked a few arteries in my 155lbs self. It takes 5.1 True HD and turns it into an awesome sounding 7.1 thanks to Ultra Cinema.
 
VanMardigan said:
Is that how much you payed for it?

That's not my pic. I had that saved on harddrive. I'll post pics of my room sometime. It's still undergoing room treatment for acoustic softening and paint in places.

You guys want to see a sick setup, take a look at Home Theater Spot's reviewer, Chad Varnadore's.

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/137125/

His setup is my inspiration since his room is so small, like mine.
 

thaivo

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Nice haul DJK.. wish I had a sound system of note. I think I'll likely watch all of my HD films again once I can convince the wife that we need a better sound system. It'll give all my films a new lease on life (especially the action films).

Looks like I missed a few interesting news items (i.e., Chinese HD DVD player, Bill Hunt eating crow), just came back from the Grand Canyon. Does Planet Earth have a disc / episode dedicated to the Grand Canyon? I might purchase it just for the memmories alone. :D
 

jjasper

Member
thaivo said:
Looks like I missed a few interesting news items (i.e., Chinese HD DVD player, Bill Hunt eating crow), just came back from the Grand Canyon. Does Planet Earth have a disc / episode dedicated to the Grand Canyon? I might purchase it just for the memmories alone. :D

I think it is in an episode (I haven't watched them in some time), but you should have Planet Earth anyway.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
thaivo said:
Nice haul DJK.. wish I had a sound system of note. I think I'll likely watch all of my HD films again once I can convince the wife that we need a better sound system. It'll give all my films a new lease on life (especially the action films).

Looks like I missed a few interesting news items (i.e., Chinese HD DVD player, Bill Hunt eating crow), just came back from the Grand Canyon. Does Planet Earth have a disc / episode dedicated to the Grand Canyon? I might purchase it just for the memmories alone. :D

If you want a very good sound system for a small price (relatively speaking).

Do the following:

1) HK 247 reciever (400 bucks) with lossless audio as an option.
2) SVS sound SBS5.1 (or 7.1) sound system with a PB-NSD12 Sub (1000-1200 dollars)

Basically the same price most people pay for your HDTV and you will have a really kickin sound system.

I have a much more "high end" system in my HT room, and I can tell you that the new setup in my living room since I got the lossless audio added really gives it a run for its money.. and at a total price at about a third of what I paid for the other set up..
 
I'm jealous of y'all's sound systems. I have basic surround, not even a subwoofer, and it's all 5 years old or more. For what I paid and how nice it is, I am very happy, but it's nothing compared to the setup I read about hear.
 

thaivo

Member
jjasper said:
I think it is in an episode (I haven't watched them in some time), but you should have Planet Earth anyway.

Yeah, I've been on an off on my desire for the title. When I rent them from BB Online, they are really amazing, and everyone that has seen it has their breath taken away. However, it is $70 bucks, which is out of my present price range for impulse buys.

StoOgE said:
If you want a very good sound system for a small price (relatively speaking).

1) HK 247 reciever (400 bucks) with lossless audio as an option.
2) SVS sound SBS5.1 (or 7.1) sound system with a PB-NSD12 Sub (1000-1200 dollars)..

Thanks for the advice. I probably won't be upgrading until next year, but will do some research based on the above. I've heard that the better sound is something that moves HDM well above DVD, I just haven't experienced it as of yet, not even at CC or BB.
 

thaivo

Member
Not exactly on topic, but

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=899840
"Sony kills another proprietary format. RIP ATRAC.

http://esupport.sony.com/EN/news/article215
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It seems like they made a lot of the same mistakes with Blu-Ray as they did with ATRAC....

August 30, 2007

Subject: Future of CONNECT Music Service

To Our Valued Sony CONNECT Music Customers:

Today Sony announced its intent to move to a Windows Media Technology platform for Walkman® products in the United States, Canada and Europe. We strongly believe that the decision to embrace a more open platform for these devices will enable us to provide you with a better overall experience. As a result of this change, we will be phasing out the CONNECT™ Music Service based on Sony's ATRAC audio format in North America and Europe. Specific timing will vary by region depending on market demand, but will not be before March 2008.

We are fully committed to helping you through this important transition away from the CONNECT Music Service and providing you with the best possible guidance on how to successfully transfer your music library to an MP3 or Windows Media-compatible format, should you wish to do so. We recommend that you use any outstanding promotional codes, account credits or gift certificates available in your music account prior to March 2008, but even after the store closes you will continue to be able to play, manage, and transfer the music in your SonicStage library and on your existing ATRAC devices. If you obtain a new device, all of Sony’s new Walkman music and video players will support MP3 or Windows Media Audio format.

In the coming months we will keep you informed of the status of the CONNECT Music Service phase out in your region. Periodic updates will be posted on the CONNECT music store and on the Sony Electronics customer service site.

Please note that the CONNECT e-book service for the Reader in the U.S. will not be affected.

Thank you for your business and for your continued support as we work to complete this transition with as little disruption to you as possible.

Sincerely,

Sony CONNECT Music Team"
 

Oni Jazar

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BDA Press Conference was just helt @ IFA (Europe).

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65741

Nothing crazy just a few things:

HITACHI will make a significant Blu-ray announcement that will be unveiled at their press conference tomorrow.

Acer joined the BDA

China Huala Group have joined the BDA

1.3 million units of the PS3 sold in Europe

"National Treasure" is coming out on BD. It will be the first Disney BD-Live title.

Warner Bros still commited to Blu-ray. WB in Q4 2007: more titles in Q4 than in Q1, Q2, and Q3 combined!

The Harry Potter movies are coming to BD in Q4.

Intersting Q&A:
Question to Warners: which format (HD or BD) is doing better in terms of sales?
Answer: Overall, BD is outselling HD DVD, fairly consistent with the rest of the market.

Question to Fox: how many of the 29 FOX titles will include BD+ copy protection?
Answer: No number. BD+ is an important development for FOX. No further comment.


Question to BDA (overall): what about Paramount? What will win them back?

(They look a bit anxious).

Answer: Paramount had the opportinity to evaluate the same numbers we've seen today. So we should ask them, not the BDA.

Question to Warners: TotalHD concept, can you tell us what's happening with that?
Answer: They still think it's a viable idea in a two-format world. Something they're still looking at and working on. It's still alive.


Question to BDA: HD DVD are going to push the point that HD DVD is more affordable tomorrow at their press conference. Could the BDA address that disadvantage? What about future hardware BD pricing?
Answer: They don't think pricing is the single factor. It's the overall package. Recording is not provided by HD DVD. Prices will fall. It will take care of itself over time.

Question to BDA: piracy implications of opening the BD authoring centre in China?
Answer: (Nobody wants to answer this one - they're passing the mic around). "No comment".

Another exec comes to the rescue and takes the mic: Watermark and BD+ mean that there will be "no impact" on the protection of BD content.

Question to BDA: is the BDA aware that perfect dupes of BD movies are circulating? Do they plan to stop it?
Answer: They're aware. AACS is renewable so the leak can be stopped. BD+ is another powerful tool (although it's not been used yet).

Question to BDA: it's about Paramount/Dreamworks. People speculated that Paramount were given 'sweeteners''. The person asking wants a Yes or No answer from all of the studios - have you been 'sweetened' to stick exclusively with Blu-ray?
Answer: Nobody wants to answer this.

The FOX exec is given the mic: "We were given very good content protection" (smiles).

(They continue passing the mic around).

Question to BDA: The guy who originally asked the question wants a definite confirmation that NO studio has received any sweetener to stay with Blu-ray.

Answer from Buena Vista: "That's not what I said. I said no comment".


Question to BDA: Was Paramount a surprise? Will they hurt HD in general because of going HD DVD exclusive?
Answer: Clear 2-to-1 advantage in the market in favour of BD. Retailers choosing BD - these are very clear statements. Paramount said HD DVD is cheaper - but the entry of 2nd gen BD models makes the gap smaller. Yes, it came as a surprise to them. Fox exec says Paramount doesn't matter too much, because there are still lots of big box office movies on BD.

Question to Fox: When are BD Live players coming out?
Answer: That's one for the manufacturers to answer.

Question to Disney: The BD-Java set top game on Pirates of the Caribbean isn't working on my machine! Are you satisfied?
Answer: there were some early issues, but as far as they're aware, the fixes have been made.
 
Oni Jazar said:
Warner Bros still commited to Blu-ray. WB in Q4 2007: more titles in Q4 than in Q1, Q2, and Q3 combined!

The Harry Potter movies are coming to BD in Q4.

Intersting Q&A:

Bu Bu Bu.....Warner to Hd am confirmed amirite???

Harry Potter? Bu bu bu ... a web page listed it only for Hd...it was writing on the wall amirite??


:lol
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
Oni Jazar said:
BDA Press Conference was just helt @ IFA (Europe).

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65741

Nothing crazy just a few things:

Acer joined the BDA

China Huala Group have joined the BDA

1.3 million units of the PS3 sold in Europe

"National Treasure" is coming out on BD. It will be the first Disney BD-Live title.

Warner Bros still commited to Blu-ray. WB in Q4 2007: more titles in Q4 than in Q1, Q2, and Q3 combined!

The Harry Potter movies are coming to BD in Q4.

Intersting Q&A:

That Q&A was hilarious. And the descriptions were too.

*no one wants to answer... passes around*

The execs look like they've been lined up to be shot :p
 

Flo_Evans

Member
DarkJediKnight said:
A bit off topic but SAY HALLO TO MY NOT SO LITT'O FRIEND!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bluesmoke79/2006_0702Image0005.jpg

Onkyo 805 THX Ultra receiver. I decided I wanted to go the HDMI 1.3 route as I wanted to be able to pass DTS MA bitsteam from the new 3rd gen players coming (PS3 is included as well since it's 1.3).

Once my Marantz is fixed and returted to me, it goes for sale. I'm gonna take a slight hit on overall quality, but the new DSPs in the Onkyo are top notch and should balance it all out.

:D :D :D :D

hubba hubba! what model marantz are you selling?
 
VanMardigan said:
I got that email from Sony Connect this morning. I thought it was funny how they moved to WMA. MS and Sony in bed? :lol

Eh it is better for DRM purposes than most others, and most mp3 players already support it.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
Forgot one thing re:IFA conference...

HITACHI will make a significant Blu-ray announcement that will be unveiled at their press conference tomorrow.

I added it to the other post as well.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
Fox Specs Die Hard and Fantastic Four

Fox Home Entertainment has released the official specs for 'Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer', 'Live Free or Die Hard' (Unrated), and 'Diehard Trilogy' Blu-ray releases. 'Fantastic Four' will get AVC 1080p video and DTS-HD MA audio on a BD-50, and is set to be released on October 2nd in North America and October 9th internationally. All four 'Die Hard' movies will see similar treatment, and are scheduled for a November 20th release in North America and October 28th internationally.

Extras for 'Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer' will include deleted scenes, a full length making-of documentary, multiple behind-the-scenes featurettes, and commentaries. Exclusive to the Blu-ray will be the BD-J multiplayer strategy game "Who Dares Defy Galactus?" and the trivia game "Saving The World One Question At A Time".

Extras for 'Live Free or Die Hard' will include a music video, a making-of documentary, commentaries, and the Blu-ray exclusive multi-level strategy game "Black Hat Intercept!" (with an appearance by Kevin Smith).

Extras for the 'Die Hard Trilogy' will include deleted scenes, featurettes, commentaries, visual effects breakdowns, alternate endings, side-by-side comparisons and much more.
 

thaivo

Member
OokieSpookie said:
"Not exactly on topic but I feel the need to throw in any fud and crap that slants badly against Sony"
:lol The only relevance is that it is the death of just another a Sony proprietary media.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Good news overall for Blu Ray. When is the HD DVD conference?

Anyway, as far as HD DVD in Europe, I was able to gather:

-70/30 software split
-HD DVD hardware seems to have made a comeback starting in Dec 06 and continuing through June (the dates on the chart)
-HD DVD made a comeback in Germany and apparently there's a split market there now.

I wonder if hardware price drops have helped HD DVD over there. It's definitely not as bleak as forsete has been saying, and certainly still open to a momentum change. Japan, however, seems to be another story.
 

jjasper

Member
captive said:
My wallet just screamed ouch.

I wish they would stagger the releases. Have some stupid promtion or something where they release every one for a week leading up to the Live Free or Die Hard.

28x4=$112 (aka too much to spend on 1 day for movies)
 
Good news about Harry Potter. I guess that means WB is going nowhere and I can relax a little on my spending.

The Fantastic Four extras remind me why I don't care for the interactive extras all that much. DH Trilogy sounds cool, even if I think DH2 sucks.
 

Ryu1999

Member
VanMardigan said:
Good news overall for Blu Ray. When is the HD DVD conference?

Anyway, as far as HD DVD in Europe, I was able to gather:

-70/30 software split
-HD DVD hardware seems to have made a comeback starting in Dec 06 and continuing through June (the dates on the chart)
-HD DVD made a comeback in Germany and apparently there's a split market there now.

I wonder if hardware price drops have helped HD DVD over there. It's definitely not as bleak as forsete has been saying, and certainly still open to a momentum change. Japan, however, seems to be another story.

That's kind of strange considering the PS3 wasn't released until March 2007, but i guess if you're only counting "standalone" players...
 

thaivo

Member
Live Blog Transcript

17:04: David Walstra, Director Sony Home Entertainment Europe, takes the stand. Discusses HDTV uptake in Western Europe. Sales, he says, have gone through the roof, but viewers find that HD content is not readily available. This is a great opportunity to provide consumers with HD content.

Sales figures for HD DVD and BD standalone players (no games consoles) are shown. HD DVD appears to have made something of a comeback lately.

A pie chart is shown comparing BD and HD DVD installed base, this time including games consoles. According to the chart, BD has 94% of the market.

17:08 1.3 million units of the PS3 sold in Europe. David says that this is an essential move.

17:09 David mentions BD's great support from consumer electronics companies. He mentions that these companies provide HDTVs as well as BD players. He specifically mentions HITACHI, who promise a significant Blu-ray announcement that will be unveiled at their press conference tomorrow.

17:10 BD and the IT industry. The top 4, apparently, are HP, Dell, ACER, and Lenovo. ACER is significant, because they've just joined the BDA. These 4 companies have about 50% of the computing/IT market.

17:11 China specifically mentioned. The China Huala Group have joined the BDA. CHLF and China Film Group will team up to offer Blu-ray Disc Authoring for the Chinese market. Export possibilities briefly touched on.

17:12 Japan: BD has a 90%+ share for both hardware and movies.

17:13 USA. The $500 BD player - the BDP-S300 - has helped things.

17:14 Disc sales. BD movie sales in the US market, year to date, has 66.3% of the market.

17:14 And in Europe: software sales have 70% of the High Def Optical Disc market.

17:15 Eagle Rock, Tartan, Entertainment In Video, Momentum, 2Entertain (format neutral), and more, are publishing on Blu-ray Disc.

17:16: Discusses content providers in the rest of Europe.

17:20: Here's Stephen Foulser! He's the VP Marketing & Business Development at Walt Disney Home Entertainment.

Disney has believed in BD from the outset and they are pleased with the progress. Dual layer 50gb offers Disney 'endless' interactive features.

Success already had with the 30 titles launched across Europe.

17:22 Sleeping Beauty is coming out on Blu-ray. Box art of the DVD shown. Disney releases of Platinum titles are only made when Disney feels the format is worthy. Release: next Autumn.

"National Treasure" is coming out on BD. It will be the first BD-Live title.

"Finding Nemo" and "Chronicles of Narnia" will both feature Full PiP bonus features.

17:24 Danny Kaye from Fox/MGM takes the stage.

"Fox continues to be exclusively committed to the number 1 selling HD packaged media format."

Ten day and date BD/DVD new releases, 19 "must have" BD titles from the catalog, and Fox's first-ever TV on BD, Prison Break.

Today some dates are being announced: "Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer" will be a BD50 with AVC/MPEG4 Compression. It's about time!

"Die Hard 4" is BD50, AVC too. Good thing what with all those action scenes...

17:27 A video begins, it's a Fox promo reel. It's really badly standards-converted, ironically enough! "Seamless Interactivity" mentioned as one of the key points, but no surprise titles appear to be being shown.

17:29: Monica Juniel from Warner Home Video Europe.

The best selling WB titles on BD: Blood Diamond, Superman Returns, Flags of our Fathers, The Departed.

WB in Q4 2007: more titles in Q4 than in Q1, Q2, and Q3 combined!

"300" is mentioned. It's already out in America though, and in 3 European territories. This one is expected to rake in the megabucks (megaeuros?)

"Ocean's Thirteen" will be released together with the other "Ocean's" movies in Q4.

The Harry Potter movies are coming to BD in Q4.

Other titles are coming out too. "Blade Runner" and "Eyes Wide Shut" look like two of the best ones. (Here's hoping "Eyes" is region free like the rest of Warners' titles, so that Americans can watch the uncensored version!)

"Polar Express" and "Happy Feet" coming to BD.

17:33 Don Eklund, Executive VP Advanced Technologies within Sony Pictures, takes the stage.

17:33 Film clips. The director of Casino Royale loves how it looks on BD. "It's something I never expected. I'm a huge fan of it".

Eli Roth has popped up on screen. "You get the closest experience to watching the movie in the cinema. The picture is so sharp! ... It looks so beautiful on Blu-ray. It's so satisfying to me as a director that the film is gonna live on in High def and that's how people are gonna see it."

Ray Harryhausen is endorsing the BD release of one of his movies. He's happy that it's being colourised for BD release!

17:36 The director of "RV" (forget his name) is telling us why BD's storage capacity is an amazing experience.

17:36 Eklund apologises for the fact that the clips were played in Standard Def. We forgive you.

17:37 Over half a million BD discs have been sold across Europe. They say it has 70% of the software market. Casino Royale is the best selling title.

Spider-Man box set discussed. They're really excited about the release of it. Coming to Europe in October. Two discs are included, due to the huge number of features.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Three versions on a BD50 thanks to seamless branching. They've worked with Steven Spielberg to make a definitive version.

"The Tudors" Complete Season 1, successful US TV series. Coming to BD.

17:41: Sony working with retailers to promote BD and HD. A Sainsbury's promotion is shown, which tells shoppers, "Your PS3 can play Blu-ray movies!" Tie-in promotions with BRAVIA, VAIO brands planned.

17:42: Thilo Roehrig from Sony Germany comes to talk about the German BD Promotions Group. It's there to serve consumers, retailers, and us, the press. Aw.

17:43: Official kick-off of the Blu-ray Group Deutschland is at IFA, this year.

Sales figures shown. Blu-ray has actually lost ground compared to HD DVD in Germany - this are more evenly split now. (Figures will be added later).

17:46: BD Deutschland plans to target Journalists, Retail, then Consumers. They "want to persuade us that Blu-ray is the better format, the format from the future".

17:49: Launch of www.blu-ray-deutschland.de as a promotional tool.

17:50: The executives line up on stage for Q&A Time. DVD Times goes down. Uh oh.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
That's kind of strange considering the PS3 wasn't released until March 2007, but i guess if you're only counting "standalone" players...

Yeah, they have a standalone chart on the link. If you count Ps3, it's like 9 to 1 in favor of BD.
 

Forsete

Member
VanMardigan said:
I wonder if hardware price drops have helped HD DVD over there. It's definitely not as bleak as forsete has been saying, and certainly still open to a momentum change. Japan, however, seems to be another story.

Well I can only speak for my own country. Discshop has two HD-DVD titles on its top 20, and NetOnNet does not even carry HD-DVD players.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
ManaByte said:
...

WHAT?????????????

Normally I would be outraged as well... but its Ray Harryhausen :lol

All of his models where made in color. It wasn't an artistic decision to shoot B&W, it was all they had at the time :D

harryhausenpic.jpg
 
Pirates of the Carribbean misframed! Nobody cares?

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Notice in the BR version you can see the ground when they're supposed to be high up.
 
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