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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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distantmantra
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jjasper said:
Not all machines have the e-cert option. Check out their website before you go to one.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
thaivo said:Or eat it...
I was going to post the same exact thing. I seriously doubt we'll see $250 blu ray players this holiday season not even on black friday.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Sony Europe just announced the BDP-s500. Gizmondo is reporting it will be 699 pounds ~$900. I know this the high end model but good luck finding those $250 dollar low end models.
Marty Chinn said:Pirates of the Carribbean misframed! Nobody cares?
Click for larger images.
DVD
Blu-Ray
Notice in the BR version you can see the ground when they're supposed to be high up.
I'm sorry, but are you sure the top image is sourced from a DVD? There is far too much detail in that 1080p image, even with the best upres'ing solutions available. Is the top image from a 1080i broadcast on TV?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
thaivo said:
You think $150 HD DVD players will be the MSRP? :lol
See you in November.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
The Main Event said:
That is hawt.
No sale without mini-series (i.e. prologue) in HD though.
Maxwell House
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The representative from Venturer said it would have an MSRP of $199 but would be available at retail for less than $150 this fall.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
thaivo said:Reading comprehension.... You may want to read my posts again, as I clearly mentioned a $199 MSRP, and a very possible $150 retail price. There's quite a difference between MSRP and retail price.
Ok... you really think you'll see a non-sale $150 HD-DVD player? :lol
My comprehansion is hindered by the preposterousness of your claim.
World according to thaivo: HD DVD can drop in price but not BluRay. Riiiiiight.
Awesome BSG box-- cut corners!
Hey, find me a quote where it's clear that $150 isn't an expected sale/deal price for the holidays.
The Main Event
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Crayon Shinchan said:
They believe it's also included.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
This is the closest I found doing a search for a $150 price. I wouldn't hold my breath, guys.
Besides, wasn't a $200 player supposed ot be enough to kill BluRay dead? Of course, so was a $300 player, and a $400 and player, and the initial $500 price... I see a pattern here! :lol
Besides, wasn't a $200 player supposed ot be enough to kill BluRay dead? Of course, so was a $300 player, and a $400 and player, and the initial $500 price... I see a pattern here! :lol
cnet said:
Maxwell House
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Why is it so hard to believe that we are going to see $150 HD-DVD players this fall? A representative from Venturer confirmed it.Ignatz Mouse said:Ok... you really think you'll see a non-sale $150 HD-DVD player? :lol
My comprehansion is hindered by the preposterousness of your claim.
World according to thaivo: HD DVD can drop in price but not BluRay. Riiiiiight.
Awesome BSG box-- cut corners!
Hey, find me a quote where it's clear that $150 isn't an expected sale/deal price for the holidays.
You can already get Toshiba HD-DVD players for $205 including shipping and 8 movies.
OokieSpookie
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The Main Event said:
I would think so, it would be silly not to.
Ignatz Mouse
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Maxwell House said:
Quote? One that isn't implying a sale price? Becuase that was what I was responing to, apples-to-apples, that I think we'll see a $250 deal for a cheap BD player by Black Friday. Or, if you like, a $300 MSRP. Fanboys want to compare deal pricing to MSRP.
Maxwell House
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I really doubt we are going to see a BD player for less than $350 this fall.Ignatz Mouse said:
And the $150 HD-DVD price would be its normal price at Wal-Mart, not a Black Friday sale only price.
MSRP is not retail price. $199.99 MSRP, $149.99 street price.
Ignatz Mouse said:
I'm not the only one.
http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/sub-150-hd-dvd-on-the-horizon.htmlOr the blu-colored koolaid you've been chugging. :lol You should really stop when your vision begins to blur..Ignatz Mouse said:
Ignatz's reading comprehension does not allow him to digest the concept of retail prices being lower than MSRP, as well as the difference between regular retail price and a Black Friday sale... :lolMaxwell House said:
Maxwell House
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I'd be completely surprised if we see any BD players for a regular price of less than $350 this fall. We might see one day black Friday type sales where you can get one for $300, but that's about it IMO.
What BD player would be at a price below $350 this fall? I have heard of no unit aiming to be at that price point. The Funai player, if it comes out this fall at all (which seems less and less likely as time goes on and no announcements have been made), is rumored to retail for $400. And really, that sounds more plausible as the other BD CE companies would be royally pissed off it it undercut their models too much.
The HD-DVD price is based on a real player coming out and announced. There are also 2 other Chinese manufactured HD-DVD players that should hit around the same time.
What BD player would be at a price below $350 this fall? I have heard of no unit aiming to be at that price point. The Funai player, if it comes out this fall at all (which seems less and less likely as time goes on and no announcements have been made), is rumored to retail for $400. And really, that sounds more plausible as the other BD CE companies would be royally pissed off it it undercut their models too much.
The HD-DVD price is based on a real player coming out and announced. There are also 2 other Chinese manufactured HD-DVD players that should hit around the same time.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
StoOgE said:
Not yet......*BUT*
SCEI says PS3 will get a dts HD Master Audio firmware update (2.0?)
dts-HD MA also has a dts core that is equal in bit rate (1.5mbps) to DD+ and actually sounds pretty great....
Ignatz Mouse
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I've got nothing to say but that I think you'll be surprised, and that player prices measured by same yardstick are going to be as narrow as $100 apart.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
The Main Event said:
That's hot. So either Uni flips before I get my projector, or I'll pick it up then. Maybe I'll wait for them to release all series in box sets first.
Maxwell House said:
I think you're being overly optamistic about the kind of discounts Wal-Mart is going to be offering on these players. Per their website, the Toshiba HD-A2 retails for it's MSRP of $299 and the Sony BDP-S300 is $488, saving you a big twelve bucks off the MSRP. I'm not sure why you'd expect Wal-Mart to offer the cheapest player on the market at an everyday price of 25% off just because that's how they retail most of their products. It doesn't need to be on sale to sell at that price.
If you want to find a discount, I'm guessing it'll be at Amazon, where they're currently selling the Toshiba HD-A2 for $254, or 15% off the MSRP. Using that as our guideline, I'd guess the best online sale price for a $200 HD-DVD player would be $170, with a corresponding budget BD player running the current HD-A2 sale price of $254.
FnordChan
Marty Chinn said:I wouldn't call these the back of stuntmens' heads....
I'm 95% certain that this is a hoax. The "DVD" version is way too high rez to be a an actually DVD. In fact, looking the finer details in the shots, the image quality is virtually identical except for a difference in color saturation. I could swear both of those came from the exact same source, but from a different player or TV, or that one is using component and other HDMI. Probably a software bug in someone's TV or BD player.
Regarding the CE companies, two things:
- With Toshiba bringing down prices so low, are they pretty much losing any profit on the units, and would there be people in the company who are not happy about having to (likely) lose money on hardware. I guess it HDDVD wins they will make a lot of cash from that but still...
- How will the consumer feel when they are told that if they want an HDDVD player, it's pretty much a Toshiba or some 3rd party el cheapo brand (eg. Venturer)? Say what you will for prices, if someone wants to pick up a Sony / Panasonic / Samsung / Sharp / Hitachi / Mitsubishi / etc... player, and they are told that they don't make HDDVD players, that someone might start to think twice.
- With Toshiba bringing down prices so low, are they pretty much losing any profit on the units, and would there be people in the company who are not happy about having to (likely) lose money on hardware. I guess it HDDVD wins they will make a lot of cash from that but still...
- How will the consumer feel when they are told that if they want an HDDVD player, it's pretty much a Toshiba or some 3rd party el cheapo brand (eg. Venturer)? Say what you will for prices, if someone wants to pick up a Sony / Panasonic / Samsung / Sharp / Hitachi / Mitsubishi / etc... player, and they are told that they don't make HDDVD players, that someone might start to think twice.
OokieSpookie
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HyperionX said:
I tend to agree that it is not legit, I will peek when I get home tonight but I think it would have been noticed long ago and a big deal would have been made right after release.
Re: Pirates issues...
I checked out the longgg AVS thread on it and it looks legit. Those "DVD" captures are just from an HD TV broadcast that uses the same cropping as the DVD of Pirates so maybe that's the confusion?
Either way, the Bluray does seem to exhibit some questionable cropping and Disney will hopefully issue a correction and replacement program.
I checked out the longgg AVS thread on it and it looks legit. Those "DVD" captures are just from an HD TV broadcast that uses the same cropping as the DVD of Pirates so maybe that's the confusion?
Either way, the Bluray does seem to exhibit some questionable cropping and Disney will hopefully issue a correction and replacement program.
Yeah yeah... I know its been said before over countless posts, but this format war is so %$*@&*# depressing! I was close to buying an HD-DVD player, but there are a number of titles I want that are only on Blu-ray as well.
I'm simply not willing to buy into both formats right now...
I really do hope this Christmas decides this be it by either cheap Chinese HD-DVD players, or overwhelming numbers of PS3's flooding the market.
HDi vs BD java
Extra storage vs Low cost
Draconian copy protection vs Managed copy
All these issues can go to hell... I just want a nice crisp picture and great sound!
I'm simply not willing to buy into both formats right now...
I really do hope this Christmas decides this be it by either cheap Chinese HD-DVD players, or overwhelming numbers of PS3's flooding the market.
HDi vs BD java
Extra storage vs Low cost
Draconian copy protection vs Managed copy
All these issues can go to hell... I just want a nice crisp picture and great sound!
The Main Event
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Fellow Canucks, $299.99 HD-A2 with 3 movies included at Future Shop.
Maxwell House
Member
It's not me being optimistic. People at Avsforum emailed Venturer and they said it will MSRP for $199.99 and be sold at retail for less than $150.FnordChan said:
The Main Event said:
The price for this set is going to be so high.
heavy liquid
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jet1911 said:The price for this set is going to be so high.
Same as Heroes, $99.98 MSRP. On sale at amazon for $69.95:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000V5IPA6/panandscathed-20
Yes, it also contains the 3 hour mini-series that started the show.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
McDragon said:
Not only is Samsung making those laptops, they're making a dual format player as well.
Toshiba
LG
Samsung
Onkyo
Integra
Venturer
RCA
have all made/will make HD DVD players.
I suppose the list will continue to grow. Isn't today the HD DVD conference at IFA?
Ignatz Mouse
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"People at AVSforum"
Besides, since when does Venturer set the Walmart price? Dubious source.
Besides, since when does Venturer set the Walmart price? Dubious source.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
gkrykewy said:
Now that you mention it, no, not really. It irks me that the HD DVD fanboys (and yes, using the term fanboys here) keep arguning the lowest-possible price for HD DVD and still cite the current MSRP for BluRay. I've been saying since forever in this thread that we'll see price drops on BluRay players, and so far, that's been happening.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Flo_Evans said:
Ok, so if you're right, then we have:
-Toshiba
-LG
-Samsung
-Venturer
And re-branded players for
-Onkyo/Integra
-RCA
-Microsoft
Happy now?
Kleegamefan said:
Yeah, but DTS core at 1.5mbps is not nearly as good as DD+ with the same. They are two completely different audio codecs. Its like saying "Well, this Mpeg1 encode is the same bitrate as the VC1 encode.. THEY ARE EQUAL!" DTS core is the same thing we've been getting in DVD's for years. Its really not HD at all. Its equivelent to DD5.1 480kbs.
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