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[DarkJediKnight]

The majority of Blu-ray movies in 2007 are on BD50s.

 

[mrklaw]

Ken Graffeo talks bollocks?

HD DVD also has a much higher attach rate: 4 discs per player, 7 times that of BD.
According to GFK, for every 2 PS3s, 1 movie is sold, compared to HD DVD, where 4 movies are bought for every player.

OK, so if you include the PS3, the attach rate looks low for Bluray.

Says affordability is important. HD DVD has 70% of current standalone player sales.

what? Will you make your fucking mind up? At least don't use two different methods for measuring 'success' in the same damn press conference.





350 euro 1080p/24 HDDVD player with 5 free discs is tempting though. Must hold out until next year.....Don't want Heroes....already watching in HD on BBC.....

 

[Laurent]

The trick is to include Blu-ray when it advantage HD-DVD and not to include Blu-ray when it advantage HD-DVD...

There are more HD-DVD players sales in comparison to Blu-ray players sales (when you don't account PS3);
There are more HD-DVD titles per player in comparison with Blu-ray titles per player (when you take in account PS3).

 

[Xater]

The trick is to include Blu-ray when it advantage HD-DVD and not to include Blu-ray when it advantage HD-DVD...

There are more HD-DVD players out there (when you discount PS3);
There are more HD-DVD titles per player out these (when you account PS3).

That's some great spinning.

 

[thaivo]

The trick is to include PS3 when it advantage HD-DVD and not to include PS3 when it advantage HD-DVD...

There are more HD-DVD players sales in comparison to BD player sales (when you discount PS3);
There are more HD-DVD titles per player out these (when you account PS3).

Edit... is that what you meant to say? I find it funny that you have transposed the word Blu-Ray to PS3. It shows how much of BD's viability is associated with the PS3.

 

[theBishop]

How can the HD-DVD group claim their attach rate is 7 times Blu-Ray and then also completely ignore the existence of the PS3 when talking about hardware sales?

I want to see that math.

 

[thaivo]

what? Will you make your fucking mind up? At least don't use two different methods for measuring 'success' in the same damn press conference.

Yes, because success is always determined by one type of measure at a time. :lol

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Edit... is that what you meant to say? I find it funny that you have transposed the word Blu-Ray to PS3. It shows how much of BD's viability is associated with the PS3.

That's some great spinning.

 

[Laurent]

Edit... is that what you meant to say? I find it funny that you have transposed the word Blu-Ray to PS3. It shows how much of BD's viability is associated with the PS3.

Yeah that's what I mean to say. I'm just using english as my second language and busy at work, so an error like this was bound to slip out...

 

[theBishop]

Yes, because success is always determined by one type of measure at a time. :lol

Oh come the fuck on. These stats are beyond ridiculous.

 

[jjasper]

Toshiba and the HDDVD forum/group/whatever has been doing this all year. It is old news.

 

[thaivo]

How can the HD-DVD group claim their attach rate is 7 times Blu-Ray and then also completely ignore the existence of the PS3 when talking about hardware sales?

I want to see that math.

Well, they always preface things with "stand alone" and such... but by their math

2 PS3's = 1 BD sold
1 HD-DVD player = 4 HD DVD's Sold

That is a near 8:1 ratio.

 

[thaivo]

That's some great spinning.

Thanks. I guess from your perspective it is spinning. It's hard to argue that BD wouldn't be in dire straights without the PS3.

Yeah that's what I mean to say. I'm just using english as my second language and busy at work, so an error like this was bound to slip out...

I wasn't criticizing your English. I understood it fine. I just thought it was funny that you used Blu-Ray instead of PS3.

 

[theBishop]

Well, they always preface things with "stand alone" and such... but by their math

2 PS3's = 1 BD sold
1 HD-DVD player = 4 HD DVD's Sold

That is a near 8:1 ratio.

Except PS3 doesn't exist in HD-DVD land.

so its actually something like 16:1 in favor of Blu-Ray. And that's assuming equivalent standalone sales (which HD-DVD advocates deny). So it may be as high as 20:1.

Its totally bogus. The fact is the HD-DVD group has no way of knowing the attach-rate of BD to standalone BD players.

 

[VanMardigan]

So yeah, the HD DVD group has ALWAYS spun the Ps3 that way. It's not a standalone, and the attach rate is low on it. So they have to attack that angle. Because as we all know, Ps3 is single-handedly winning this format war for the BRD camp.

 

[theBishop]

So yeah, the HD DVD group has ALWAYS spun the Ps3 that way. It's not a standalone, and the attach rate is low on it. So they have to attack that angle. Because as we all know, Ps3 is single-handedly winning this format war for the BRD camp.

Studio support, hardware manufacturers, PC vendors, and technical superiority have nothing to do with it?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Assuming those numbers aren't tweaked too much, that means that 8 PS3 = one HD DVD or BluRay dedicated player.

So, with what, more than 10x the number of PS3s (and even more after this holiday) we can say that BluRay beats HD DVD in active players.

Cool, that's settled. And with the HD DVD group's own numbers.

 

[thaivo]

so its actually something like 16:1 in favor of Blu-Ray. And that's assuming equivalent standalone sales (which HD-DVD advocates deny). So it may be as high as 20:1.

Maybe you should send that ratio to BD group to use in their promotional materials.

Its totally bogus. The fact is the HD-DVD group has no way of knowing the attach-rate of BD to standalone BD players.

Seems they are pulling their numbers from publically available information.

Studio support, hardware manufacturers, PC vendors, and technical superiority have nothing to do with it?

Those are not non-factors, but they certainly haven't contributed as much as the sales PS3.

 

[theBishop]

Maybe you should send that ratio to BD group to use in their promotional materials.


Seems they are pulling their numbers from publically available information.

Or perhaps BD should simply ignore HD-DVD players priced below $300 in their stats. Just replace "standalone" from HDD stats with some snazzy term like "enthusiast", or maybe "full featured".

 

[VanMardigan]

Studio support, hardware manufacturers, PC vendors, and technical superiority have nothing to do with it?

No, not at this point. Look at the HD DVD vs. BR numbers last year, before Ps3 launched.

 

[Laurent]

I wasn't criticizing your English. I understood it fine. I just thought it was funny that you used Blu-Ray instead of PS3.

(You can see I rework my original statement.)

I was specifically talking about PS3. I am saying that HD-DVDbots are including PS3 systems into consideration ONLY when it advantage HD-DVD. They are taking the large numbers of PS3 sold into consideration to show that there is more HD-DVD titles per system, but when it's time to argue that HD-DVD systems are selling more, PS3 is automatically disqualified in their mind because it's a console... althought they probably are taking that HD-DVD upgrade for X360 into consideration.

This pitch works only if Blur-ray players sales are lower than HD-DVD, which the last time I've checked (I don't care that much about players sales so I could be wrong), but if Blu-ray players sales are on par or higher than HD-DVD players, then forget the whole thing...

 

[thaivo]

Or perhaps BD should simply ignore HD-DVD players priced below $300 in their stats. Just replace "standalone" from HDD stats with some snazzy term like "enthusiast", or maybe "full featured".

Counting only "full featured" players would then completely negate all BD player sales, except for the PS3. None of them will be "full featured," considering the new 1.1 and 2.0 BD specs. :lol

 

[theBishop]

No, not at this point. Look at the HD DVD vs. BR numbers last year, before Ps3 launched.

you mean back when the only player you could get was a $1300 Samsung unit that applied a Vasoline filter during playback?

 

[TheDuce22]

Can someone tell me what happened to LOST on Bluray. I refuse to buy it on DVD.

 

[theBishop]

Counting only "full featured" players would then completely negate all BD player sales, except for the PS3. None of them will be "full featured," considering the new 1.1 and 2.0 BD specs. :lol

I didn't say it would be honest. I thought that was clear.

 

[VanMardigan]

you mean back when the only player you could get was a $1300 Samsung unit that applied a Vasoline filter during playback?

How are the new standalones selling? I don't even mean to "diss" Blu Ray as a format, but if you don't think the Ps3 is what's driving the format AT THIS POINT, then you're delusional.

 

[thaivo]

I didn't say it would be honest. I thought that was clear.

I didn't say it was an honest accounting, but that your suggestion would lead to such results.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Top Sellers for the week:

Week ended Aug 26

1. 300 BD 100.00
2. 300 HD 74.72
3. Wild Hogs BD 48.05
4. Black Hawk Down BD 31.35
5. Perfect Stranger BD 25.60
6. Planet Earth BD 24.95
7. Casino Royale BD 22.18
8. Disturbia BD 16.02
9. Shooter BD 15.98
10. Planet Earth HD 15.80

xx House of Flying Daggers BD 15.48
xx Bourne Identity HD 14.70
xx Hot Fuzz 12.77
xx Shooter HD 11.54
xx Disturbia HD 8.90

 

[theBishop]

How are the new standalones selling? I don't even mean to "diss" Blu Ray as a format, but if you don't think the Ps3 is what's driving the format AT THIS POINT, then you're delusional.

Yeah, but that's the core dishonesty, isn't it?

How is PS3 any less legitimate than any other standalone player. When most enthusiast sources say its one of the best players available, what reason is there to discount it? The PS3 should be a consideration to anyone looking to play Blu-Ray movies, not just gamers.

 

[thaivo]

How are the new standalones selling? I don't even mean to "diss" Blu Ray as a format, but if you don't think the Ps3 is what's driving the format AT THIS POINT, then you're delusional.

There is a question to be made of the negative effect the PS3 is having on stand alone BD player sales. I imagine the sales numbers for stand alone BD players would actually be much improved if the PS3 never existed. Most people at this time would buy the PS3 over a stand alone by the value proposition alone. Those that are not, obviously are doing it because they don't want a videogame system as the center of their enterntainment center.

How is PS3 any less legitimate than any other standalone player. When most enthusiast sources say its one of the best players available, what reason is there to discount it? The PS3 should be a consideration to anyone looking to play Blu-Ray movies, not just gamers.

You have to admit though that there is a stigma associated with videogame systems in general. The only system that has been able to overcome that stigma is the Wii... and funny enough, it is a completely dedicated device, rather than a "Jack of all trades" like the PS3. When I hear complaints about the PS3's price, it is usually "$600 for a videogame system?!?"

 

[VanMardigan]

Yeah, but that's the core dishonesty, isn't it?

How is PS3 any less legitimate than any other standalone player. When most enthusiast sources say its one of the best players available, what reason is there to discount it? The PS3 should be a consideration to anyone looking to play Blu-Ray movies, not just gamers.

and now we've come full circle. Because in the original post of mine that you quoted, I never discounted Ps3, did I? I merely commented on why the HD DVD camp has been using the attach rate/standalone spin for ages.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Can someone tell me what happened to LOST on Bluray. I refuse to buy it on DVD.

I posted the latest news here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7638799&postcount=12766

 

[captive]

Pricing for TV on Blu ray and HD DVD pisses me off.

Heroes and Battlestar is bad enough ($60 MSRP on DVD vs. $100 MSRP on HD DVD), but LOST takes the cake at just over TWICE as expensive on Blu ray. $60 MSRP on DVD vs. $125 MSRP on Blu ray. Yes, it can be purchased at a discounted price, you'll still pay 2X as much as the regular DVD set.

In contrast, the MSRPs are the same for 300 and Pirates on both Blu ray and DVD (2 disc SE) and many other discs.

What do you expect?
You want expensive check out the original releases of the x-files on DVD, they were like 130 STREET price, not even MSRP.
Highlander and 24 both used to be 60-70+ for one season on DVD.

 

[captive]

Top Sellers for the week:

Week ended Aug 26

1. 300 BD 100.00
2. 300 HD 74.72
3. Wild Hogs BD 48.05
4. Black Hawk Down BD 31.35
5. Perfect Stranger BD 25.60
6. Planet Earth BD 24.95
7. Casino Royale BD 22.18
8. Disturbia BD 16.02
9. Shooter BD 15.98
10. Planet Earth HD 15.80

xx House of Flying Daggers BD 15.48
xx Bourne Identity HD 14.70
xx Hot Fuzz 12.77
xx Shooter HD 11.54
xx Disturbia HD 8.90

wtf?

 

[Suikoguy]

BDA should start doing the opposite with it's stats

Include the PS3 with Hardware Sales
Exclude the PS3 with Attach Rates

:lol

 

[VanMardigan]

BDA should start doing the opposite with it's stats

Include the PS3 with Hardware Sales
Exclude the PS3 with Attach Rates

:lol

They do the first one already. I'm not sure how they approach attach rates, though.

 

[heavy liquid]

What do you expect?
You want expensive check out the original releases of the x-files on DVD, they were like 130 STREET price, not even MSRP.
Highlander and 24 both used to be 60-70+ for one season on DVD.

I know, I bought the first four seasons of the X-Files back then. But you're misunderstanding my point.

I'm comparing the pricing of the movies vs. TV shows. Blu ray movies are about equally priced to their DVD counterparts (maybe a bit more in some cases), but TV shows are WAY more expensive -- 30% to 50% higher, which is bullshit.

 

[sakuragi]

Wow and here I thought Sony's and Microsoft's PR were masters at spinning news and here comes Toshiba and takes the whole fucking cake. :lol

 

[rc213]

Not sure what all the fuss is about. What did you expect them to say, "Look we have plenty of movies, We have hardware that is half the price of the competition but we are still getting our asses kicked by a game machine!". Of course they have to twist the numbers up a bit, Same could be said if the roles were reversed. It's also not like the people who are attending this shit don't know spin when they hear it and the general public won't be going around talking about the incredible attach rate of HD DVD/Blu-Ray.

:lol

 

[SRG01]

Top Sellers for the week:

Week ended Aug 26

1. 300 BD 100.00
2. 300 HD 74.72
3. Wild Hogs BD 48.05
4. Black Hawk Down BD 31.35
5. Perfect Stranger BD 25.60
6. Planet Earth BD 24.95
7. Casino Royale BD 22.18
8. Disturbia BD 16.02
9. Shooter BD 15.98
10. Planet Earth HD 15.80

xx House of Flying Daggers BD 15.48
xx Bourne Identity HD 14.70
xx Hot Fuzz 12.77
xx Shooter HD 11.54
xx Disturbia HD 8.90

It's a freakin' Blue ocean!

 

[sakuragi]

It's a freakin' Blue ocean!

But but...most of those BD movies were bought to be viewed via PS3s so they don't count :lol

 

[LM4sure]

hd-dvd is still cooler. i dont care what you say

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

But but...most of those BD movies were bought to be viewed via PS3s so they don't count :lol

Oh, the stigma! :lol

 

[Forsete]

Cooler? BLUE is cool, RED is hot.

So, WRONG silly HD-DVD supporter.

 

[SRG01]

But but...most of those BD movies were bought to be viewed via PS3s so they don't count :lol

:lol I'm this close to being in that statistic.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

hd-dvd is still cooler. i dont care what you say

Sounds a bit like faith to me.

Spoiler

ALL HAIL XENU!

 

[SRG01]

Cooler? BLUE is cool, RED is hot.

So, WRONG silly HD-DVD supporter.

Technically, blue light has a higher corresponding eV than red light. So blue is hotter. :lol

 

[mabuza]

dont worry hd-dvd boys, transformers will lead us to victory

 

[KZObsessed]

New Weekly numbers:

68:32 Week
67:33 Year
61:39 SI

Top Sellers for the week:

Week ended Aug 26

1. 300 BD 100.00
2. 300 HD 74.72
3. Wild Hogs BD 48.05
4. Black Hawk Down BD 31.35
5. Perfect Stranger BD 25.60
6. Planet Earth BD 24.95
7. Casino Royale BD 22.18
8. Disturbia BD 16.02
9. Shooter BD 15.98
10. Planet Earth HD 15.80

xx House of Flying Daggers BD 15.48
xx Bourne Identity HD 14.70
xx Hot Fuzz 12.77
xx Shooter HD 11.54
xx Disturbia HD 8.90

Awesome awesome.

Next week will be the telling figures tho. If HD-DVD cant outsell Blu-Ray with 5 exclusives, 1 of which is one of their biggest exclusives of the year and after the Paramount announcement, then Blu-Ray is unbeatable. 8)

Personally I expect HD-DVD to take next week slightly, but Blu-Ray will continue to dominate the weeks after. It'll just be a blip on th radar...

 

[thaivo]

Personally I expect HD-DVD to take next week slightly, but Blu-Ray will continue to dominate the weeks after. It'll just be a blip on th radar...

I don't really foresee HD DVD taking the week. The week it has the best chance would be the week Transformers comes out, or even perhaps the Bourne Ultimatum.