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[Mrbob]

:lol

Bob is a flip flopper,you should know this Chris.One min its maybe I'll buy a stand alone player cause its cheap and I want some of the movies that are on hd-dvd,next it's oh noes hd-dvd is already dead.

He does this with game systems and games.

Mmmmmm yeah I need my TV shows on the cheap! I can't go buy every single new gadget like you can cash chucker!

I just bought seasons 1 through 5 of The Shield on DVD for just over 100 bucks. Can I do that in hi def yet? No! I gotta go spend 100 bucks for one season of Heroes or Lost in HD! Whoever gets me cheap TV box sets wins!

I buy more TV box sets than movies.

The way things are going, soon enough I'll be able to get 12 to 15 free movies with the HD DVD 360 add on so I'll take the plunge.

 

[Matrix]

Mmmmmm yeah I need my TV shows on the cheap! I can't go buy every single new gadget like you can cash chucker!

I just bought seasons 1 through 5 of The Shield on DVD for just over 100 bucks. Can I do that in hi def yet? No! I gotta go spend 100 bucks for one season of Heroes or Lost in HD! Whoever gets me cheap TV box sets wins!

I buy more TV box sets than movies.

The way things are going, soon enough I'll be able to get 12 to 15 free movies with the HD DVD 360 add on so I'll take the plunge.

I spent $59 on Heroes hd dvd thru amazon.com

 

[The Main Event]

Mmmmmm yeah I need my TV shows on the cheap! I can't go buy every single new gadget like you can cash chucker!

I just bought seasons 1 through 5 of The Shield on DVD for just over 100 bucks. Can I do that in hi def yet? No! I gotta go spend 100 bucks for one season of Heroes or Lost in HD! Whoever gets me cheap TV box sets wins!

I buy more TV box sets than movies.

The way things are going, soon enough I'll be able to get 20 free movies with the HD DVD 360 add on so I'll take the plunge.

You would so LOVE the Heroes HD DVD box set.

 

[Raistlin]

Mmmmmm yeah I need my TV shows on the cheap! I can't go buy every single new gadget like you can cash chucker!

I just bought seasons 1 through 5 of The Shield on DVD for just over 100 bucks. Can I do that in hi def yet? No! I gotta go spend 100 bucks for one season of Heroes or Lost in HD! Whoever gets me cheap TV box sets wins!

I buy more TV box sets than movies.

While I get the point ... you're comparing the discounted internet price of the DVDs, versus the MSRP for the HD DVD / BD content.

 

[xS1TH L0RDx]

You would so LOVE the Heroes HD DVD box set.

Heroes is fucking amazing on hd-dvd

 

[Raistlin]

You would so LOVE the Heroes HD DVD box set.

So would I >_<




If a reputable company had (I suppose there is still time) shown off a combo player at CEDIA, meeting my requirements:

* 24fps for both formats
* Full interactive support for HD DVD, as well as profile 2.0 for BD
* Decoding for all codec
* Bitstream for codecs on disks not mastered in interactive mode (basically, most BD disks)
* SO HQV Reon ... including access to noise reduction options, etc (FUCK YOU ONKYO/INTEGRA).


... I'd be setting aside money for it now.



If they did the above, and also added the following:

* DNLA client streaming (including FLAC support, as well as internet radio, etc.)
* Media support via USB 2.0
* DVD-A and SACD support (might as well include HDCD too)
* SO HQV Realta
* Programmable via Ethernet and RS232


... I'd have it pre-ordered as soon as someone would accept my cash!




Throw in it being a 5-disc changer, and I'd pay OVER MSRP to get it as early as possible.



I think that's everything ...

 

[985boi]

I was so close to picking up the 360 hd-dvd add on today. I picked it up, almost got to the register and then I just turned around.

 

[HyperionX]

Kind of sad really when "it's the cheapest" is the main selling point for hd that comes to people's minds.

Anyway I would wait a little while longer until the specs are released for the films and base off of that.
No spin, no agenda just which ever has the best specs.

I've come to that conclusion quite recently too. DVD is the "cheapest" option, not HD-DVD. I suspect people are more attracted to Blu-ray because it is perceived to be the better of the two formats and they don't care about the price.

 

[neojubei]

I was so close to picking up the 360 hd-dvd add on today. I picked it up, almost got to the register and then I just turned around.

I almost did the same but on amazon.com.....damn heroes on hd-dvd.

 

[VanMardigan]

How the hell do you guys NOT pull the trigger???

I was thisclose to pulling the trigger on a Ps3 from Amazon, and that was $499. You guys get to shave $320 from that.........and you still can't do it. I'm too damn weak, I just know I'll break for one of the holiday bundles.

 

[Traumahound]

Battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD fizzles as consumers watch and wait

There's a format war going on, in case you've not turned on the TV, surfed the Internet, or stepped into a consumer electronics retailer for the past year and a half. But some news that has emerged from a couple of trade shows this week shows that the "war" is more like a slap-fight between a couple of preadolescent girls: it holds great significance to the parties involved and may be slightly entertaining to watch, but it does very little lasting damage.
...
From their peaks at the end of 2006, both formats have seen a rather precipitous sales decline. According to Sony, Blu-ray sold nearly 70,000 discs per week during the last weeks of 2006. But by mid-May, the last week for which Sony provided data, that had slipped to less than 35,000 per week. HD DVD saw a similar decline, but not as steep, going from around 43,000 discs to a bit more than 20,000. At one point towards the end of April, sales of Blu-ray and HD DVD discs were in a virtual dead heat.
...
Despite their best efforts, there is still a lot of uncertainty on the part of consumers, and right now, Blu-ray and HD DVD are fighting over a very small piece of the hardware pie. Sales of DVDs and DVD players still dwarf those of both next-gen formats combined: the DVD of Happy Feet sold over 4 million copies during the last week of March, which is almost twice as much as the total next-gen disc format sales since their launch over a year ago. It's a vicious cycle for the next-gen formats: sales won't grow significantly because of consumer uncertainty, that uncertainty won't lessen until there's a clear winner, and a clear winner won't emerge until sales of one format are significant enough to bury the other.

 

[djkimothy]

I was so close to picking up the 360 hd-dvd add on today. I picked it up, almost got to the register and then I just turned around.

What convinced you not to?

Battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD fizzles as consumers watch and wait
Originally Posted by Ars Tehnica

I wouldn't trust any comments Ars has on the HD wars.

 

[XMonkey]

I'm so tired of articles touting DVD sales in comparison to HDM sales. It's getting old.

 

[SRG01]

Battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD fizzles as consumers watch and wait

:lol Ars and its populace has been so pro-HDDVD in the last. It seems like they're backtracking now. :lol

edit: Er, I meant backpedalling.

 

[KachoMakura]

Anybody that states price is not a huge factor is kidding themselves. The PS3 has better specs than the 360 and the Wii and we all see how that's turning out. Of course price is not the only factor, but don't act like it's not an important one.

 

[Kolgar]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that people are oblivious to HD and will continue to show apathy because regular old DVD is "good enough" for them and they believe they simply have better ways to spend their money. Certainly, the average person isn't going to drop $300 (much less $500) on a new "DVD player" when they can pick up a $40 unit from Wal-Mart and they probably don't own an HDTV anyway.

Yes, I'm starting to believe DVD could be the format to carry us through until digital downloads take hold.

Then again, when I see HD discs on store shelves for $35, it's no wonder most are giving it a pass.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that people are oblivious to HD and will continue to show apathy because regular old DVD is "good enough" for them and they believe they simply have better ways to spend their money. Certainly, the average person isn't going to drop $300 (much less $500) on a new "DVD player" when they can pick up a $40 unit from Wal-Mart and they probably don't own an HDTV anyway.

Yes, I'm starting to believe DVD could be the format to carry us through until digital downloads take hold.

Then again, when I see HD discs on store shelves for $35, it's no wonder most are giving it a pass.

as an average person who already has a bunch of dvds.....I think like this post.

Been on the fence with this whole HD/bluray fiasco....and I am definitely not jumping on a boat until I know which boat will stay afloat.

but dvds will always keep pumping out regardless and it is really "good enough" for me and my current income.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I work in retail and most people are interested in blu-ray or hd-dvd, but they are waiting until a winner is decided and the price drops. More people seem to be interested in blu-ray than hd-dvd where I work... Then we have people that come in and think because they buy a hdtv it automatically makes everything high definition...Working in retail makes me realize that 75% of people that come in to buy hdtvs have no idea what they are doing...

 

[Raistlin]

Certainly, the average person isn't going to drop $300 (much less $500) on a new "DVD player" when they can pick up a $40 unit from Wal-Mart and they probably don't own an HDTV anyway.

wow ... really?


Obviously at best, the new formats can only track with HDTV sales.

 

[Kolgar]

Received my HD-A2 from Amazon today. Setup was surprisingly, stupidly hard, as I had to burn an ISO image to a CD-ROM and update my firmware that way as the ethernet port wasn't finding the server.

(Well, my firmware didn't *have* to be updated, but as someone who geeks out over these kinds of things, of course I needed to do it.)

So it took me 15 minutes and one try and I was rolling.

The setup menus look pretty dated and I was a little apprehensive at first, but once we put in our first movie (my girlfriend got us "Black Snake Moan" from Netflix), all my fears were put to rest.

I haven't read any reviews of the movie or its PQ/AQ, but damn, this looked nice. The picture was absolutely rock solid and crystal clear on my 61" Samsung HLS DLP... simply beautiful. And that, not menu screens, is what I bought the thing for.

A solid player it is, and I'm glad to now own a dedicated HD DVD player in addition to my 360 add-on and PS3.

But Krazy Ken, if you're out there somewhere, I give you extra style points tonight for making your PS3 the sexiest consumer-electronics device ever created, hehehe.

 

[Kolgar]

wow ... really?

Obviously at best, the new formats can only track with HDTV sales.

Thanks for the kudos, but that little bit was secondary to my point ("at best," ahem), which is that DVD is plainly "good enough" for most people. Which appears to be the case, as most people I try and introduce to HD DVD and Blu-ray simply look at me like I am crazy for spending what is to them ludicrous amounts of money on something that looks only marginally better in their eyes.

The few friends I do know who have purchased HDTVs smile at me like proud parents when they tell me how great their SD-DVDs look on their hot new flat screens... and one or two of them have gotten downright hostile when I've suggested that they look into one of the newer formats to really make their TVs shine.

Now THAT makes me say "wow"...

 

[Brofist]

This thread moves in such a cyclical pattern. New HDDVD supporter comes in like a bat out of hell, get squashed by the "blu team", then resorts to the "well the average person doesn't want HD formats anyway" rhetoric.

 

[Kolgar]

This thread moves in such a cyclical pattern. New HDDVD supporter comes in like a bat out of hell, get squashed by the "blu team", then resorts to the "well the average person doesn't want HD formats anyway" rhetoric.

Either I am a prophet or some of you guys are all too predictable.

I saw a post like this coming a mile away.

Thanks for letting yourself down, and in the process, contributing to the cyclical pattern. Step 4: Random guy makes non-productive comment about cyclical pattern of thread. Lather, rinse, repeat.

All right, boys! Let's take it from the top!

 

[Brofist]

Either I am a prophet or some of you guys are all too predictable.

I saw a post like this coming a mile away.

Thanks for letting yourself down, and in the process, contributing to the cyclical pattern. Step 4: Random guy makes non-productive comment about cyclical pattern of thread. Lather, rinse, repeat.

All right, boys! Let's take it from the top!

predictable response to a predictable post I guess

Non productive? :lol Cause pointing out something that has been posted maybe 1000 times in this topic is very productive.

BTW I suggest your next course of action is to mention how video download services are going to take over physical media. That one has only been posted 800 times in this topic.

 

[Kolgar]

predictable response to a predictable post I guess

Non productive? :lol Cause pointing out something that has been posted maybe 1000 times in this topic is very productive.

BTW I suggest your next course of action is to mention how video download services are going to take over physical media. That one has only been posted 800 times in this topic.

LOL, how many times are you going to edit your post before you run out of fabulous zingers for me? Come on, one more please? :lol

 

[ThirstyFly]

So I've had Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl for a while now and I haven't watched it yet other than a few minutes here and there to wow at the PQ, so after first seeing that cropping issue a few pages back a few days ago I took a look at it again yesterday.

Some of the cropping is terrible. Just take a look at the shot where Norrington first arrives at the blacksmith's shop after Jack & Will's sword fight. His head and face are very obviously cropped out of the picture. I checked my DVD copy and not only does he have his full head on screen, but there's even some head room above.

Why is this not a bigger issue with people considering it's one of the token BD titles? I really hope Disney addresses this and offers a replacement program, or at least a correctly framed version in the box set.

Is this a problem with Pirates 2 as well, or just Black Pearl?

 

[KachoMakura]

:lol One only has to look at Movies On-Demand, Steam and other forms of digital distribution to know that it's the wave of the future. Look at how MP3s despite being inferior quality to CDs took off. As bandwidth increases so will digital distribution. People want convenience. Some of you are so blinded by bias that your arguments lack common sense.

 

[XMonkey]

:lol One only has to look at Movies On-Demand, Steam and other forms of digital distribution to know that it's the wave of the future. Look at how MP3s despite being inferior quality to CDs took off. As bandwidth increases so will digital distribution. People want convenience. Some of you are so blinded by bias that your arguments lack common sense.

:lol..... :lol

 

[SRG01]

:lol One only has to look at Movies On-Demand, Steam and other forms of digital distribution to know that it's the wave of the future. Look at how MP3s despite being inferior quality to CDs took off. As bandwidth increases so will digital distribution. People want convenience. Some of you are so blinded by bias that your arguments lack common sense.

:lol You.... are aware that broadband in North America really sucks, right?

MP3 adoption took off once it took less than five minutes to get a song.

 

[KachoMakura]

Hey I thought I might give him what he wants. Cycle complete?

 

[TAJ]

The setup menus look pretty dated and I was a little apprehensive at first, but once we put in our first movie (my girlfriend got us "Black Snake Moan" from Netflix), all my fears were put to rest.

I haven't read any reviews of the movie or its PQ/AQ, but damn, this looked nice. The picture was absolutely rock solid and crystal clear on my 61" Samsung HLS DLP... simply beautiful. And that, not menu screens, is what I bought the thing for.

I've heard Black Snake Moan looks pretty good, but put Hot Fuzz in your queue. It'll melt your brain.

 

[KachoMakura]

:lol You.... are aware that broadband in North America really sucks, right?

MP3 adoption took off once it took less than five minutes to get a song.

And how long is that for a whole album? An hour? It currently takes less time than that to download a movie. And as bandwidth increases it'll be even quicker.

 

[bishoptl]

:lol One only has to look at Movies On-Demand, Steam and other forms of digital distribution to know that it's the wave of the future. Look at how MP3s despite being inferior quality to CDs took off. As bandwidth increases so will digital distribution. People want convenience. Some of you are so blinded by bias that your arguments lack common sense.

oboy :lol

 

[TAJ]

Then HD media is doomed. Or at least put on hold until 2009 or whenever the FCC pulls the plug on SD.

The changeover isn't going to have the slightest bit of effect. It only impacts people who don't have cable OR satellite, and those people aren't going to buy HD media because they're really fucking poor.

 

[Vic]

:lol You.... are aware that broadband in North America really sucks, right?

We were using 56k just a couple of years ago... who know how it will be in the next 5 years.

 

[OokieSpookie]

:lol One only has to look at Movies On-Demand, Steam and other forms of digital distribution to know that it's the wave of the future. Look at how MP3s despite being inferior quality to CDs took off. As bandwidth increases so will digital distribution. People want convenience. Some of you are so blinded by bias that your arguments lack common sense.

I had something really long and drawn out to reply to this but honestly it is easier just to sum it all up with : :lol

 

[985boi]

What convinced you not to?

-I can't rely on the 360. If it craps out again then I don't want to have a hd-dvd drive sitting around for a month just collecting dust.

-I'm not into buying and collecting movies that much. I get all of my movies through Netflix.

-Not really interested in going back and watching movies that I have already watched just because it's been reissued in HD.

 

[SRG01]

We were using 56k just a couple of years ago... who know how it will be in the next 5 years.

Oh, please you didn't just say that.

If you know anything about the whole telecom mess in the 90s, you wouldn't bring that point up.

 

[Mrbob]

God I hate double dipping within six months.

Will this be out on HD DVD on Nov 27 too?

Fing Universal. Why wasn't this out on day one? Bah.

http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_9156.html

Disc 1: Main Feature

* Anamorphic Widescreen Presentation
* English, French and Spanish DD5.1 EX Surround
* English SDH, French and Spanish subtitles
* Feature Commentary with Simon Pegg & Edgar Wright
* Feature Commentary with The Sandford Police Service - Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Jim Broadbent, Rafe Spall, Kevin Eldon & Olivia Colman
* Feature Commentary with The Sandford Village People - Kenneth Cranham, Timothy Dalton, Paul Freeman & Edward Woodwar
* Feature Commentary with The Real Fuzz - Any Leafe & Nick Eckland
* Feature Commentary with Edgar Wright & Guest
* Outtakes
* Storyboards
* Fuzz-O-Meter (Trivia Track)
* Inadmissible: Deleted Scenes
* Fuzz-O-Meter
* Danny's Notebook
* Hot Funk
* Theatrical Trailer
* UK TV Spot 1
* UK TV Spot 2
* Director's Cut Trailer


Disc 2: Extra Features

* We Made Hot Fuzz
* Art Department
* Friends & Family
* Cranks, Cranes & Controlled Chaos
* Here Come the Fuzz
* Return to Sandford
* Edgar & Simon's Flip Chart
* Simon Muggs
* Sergeant Fisher's Perfect Sunday
* Plot Holes
* Special Effects: Before & After
* Video Blogs
* Poster Gallery
* Photo Gallery
* AM Blam: Making 'Dead Right'
* Dead Right (1993)
* Edgar Wright Director's Commentary on Dead Right
* Simon Pegg and Nick Frost Commentary on Dead Right


Disc 3: Extra Features

* The Extended Fuzzball Rally
* Video Blogs

 

[SRG01]

The image isn't working, Bob.

 

[KachoMakura]

The people that are laughing do realize that not only Apple but MS have launched Movie download services? And that Sony is rushing to join in aswell? We're already seeing games being fully downloadable on PSN. Why is it so hard to believe that movies will follow suit?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

The people that are laughing do realize that not only Apple but MS have launched Movie download services? And that Sony is rushing to join in aswell? We're already seeing games being fully downloadable on PSN. Why is it so hard to believe that movies will follow suit?

You're pretty dedicated to your lols aren't you? Or did you actually convince yourself of what you're saying?

 

[TAJ]

The people that are laughing do realize that not only Apple but MS have launched Movie download services? And that Sony is rushing to join in aswell? We're already seeing games being fully downloadable on PSN. Why is it so hard to believe that movies will follow suit?

Almost the whole point of the new disc formats is to fully exploit the A/V potential of HDTVs. Those download services are not even close to competitive on that front.
The other point of the new disc formats is better supplements, and that's really not a priority for DD.

 

[KachoMakura]

You're pretty dedicated to your lols aren't you? Or did you actually convince yourself of what you're saying?

So you don't believe that digital distribution is the future? I'm dumbfounded over here.

 

[KachoMakura]

Almost the whole point of the new disc formats is to fully exploit the A/V potential of HDTVs. Those download services are not even close to competitive on that front.
The other point of the new disc formats is better supplements, and that's really not a priority for DD.

I didn't say that would replace them, but I wouldn't be surprise if it becomes the new "dvd" of the future. A more mainstream format.

 

[Cold-Steel]

I didn't say that would replace them, but I wouldn't be surprise if it becomes the new "dvd" of the future. A more mainstream format.

Hahahahahahahahaha :lol :lol

Wow, I can't wait for gumdrop chairs and rainbows to start popping up any moment now.

 

[OokieSpookie]

The people that are laughing do realize that not only Apple but MS have launched Movie download services? And that Sony is rushing to join in aswell? We're already seeing games being fully downloadable on PSN. Why is it so hard to believe that movies will follow suit?

Because down loadable movies have been around for a while now.
The ONLY reason that LEGAL mp3s are where they are is because of portable MP3 players.
That is it, that is really the only reason the sales are what they are.
VOD services are nice, but there is still that need for something physical which is why cd sales are still doing rather well.
VOD also lacks extras and other material right now for the sake of speed and space and that is something that will still happen not to mention that VOD movies are not exactly portable.
The more Blu Ray and for that matter even Hd-dvd drives you see in laptops and whatnot will make that a factor since I can take my disk and watch it anywhere I want to.
I can also take it to my friends house, I can take it to my grannies house which if you think that the DRM on VOD will allow you to do not only are you cracked but you are straight up delusional.

 

[KachoMakura]

Because down loadable movies have been around for a while now.

There hasn't been a major service that has pushed downloadable movies nor have the downloadable services already available been of high quality or released the latest movies. And at the moment most peoples PCs are hooked up to a PC monitor not the TV. Xbox 360, Apple TV and PS3 correct this as they are hooked directly to your TV where people would want to watch a movie.

The ONLY reason that LEGAL mp3s are where they are is because of portable MP3 players. That is it, that is really the only reason the sales are what they are

Xbox 360, PS3, Apple TV.

VOD services are nice, but there is still that need for something physical which is why cd sales are still doing rather well.

CD sales are on the decline and have been for several years now. Most people that buy CDs just rip MP3s from them anyway for their PC and/or mp3 player.

VOD also lacks extras and other material right now for the sake of speed and space and that is something that will still happen not to mention that VOD movies are not exactly portable.

Why can't there be extras? If someone has the space and the extra time it would take to download them why wouldn't they be offered? And VOD is already portable on the iPod with iTunes.

The more Blu Ray and for that matter even Hd-dvd drives you see in laptops and whatnot will make that a factor since I can take my disk and watch it anywhere I want to.

A digital collection is much more portable and convenient than lugging around hundreds of CDs or DVDs.

I can also take it to my friends house, I can take it to my grannies house which if you think that the DRM on VOD will allow you to do not only are you cracked but you are straight up delusional.

You can and will be able to do this with VOD just like with MP3s. If worse comes to worse they could make a docking station for you to put your PVP on that will play it on any TV similar to iPod docking stations.

 

[XMonkey]

I honestly thought you were joking when you brought up the digital distribution stuff. Seems I was wrong...

 

[KachoMakura]

I was somewhat, but the fact that you guys can't wrap your heads around a very simple concept is puzzling me. I mean some of you think DD will never become a reality. WOW. :lol