VanMardigan said:
So, Onix:
-Having dvd and HD DVD on the same side is meh, and having flippers is retarded (so I guess it's a good thing/coincidence that Blu Ray doesn't offer either)
The concept is not retarded ... just the execution
I have no problem if they come up with a solution that actually has non-gimped versions of both formats on one disc, be that a flipper or on the same side (yeah, I'd prefer on same side ... but lack of art isn't a deal-breaker for me). In other words, it would need to be 4 layers total.
Basically, I want the DVD version and the HD DVD version to be equivalent to their standalone counterparts. I suppose I could live with the DVD version missing the extras ... but the problem is that most decent length movies utilizing high bitrates for video and audio are going to be bigger than a single layer DVD ... even before extras.
-TL51 shouldn't work on players out now, and if it does, Toshiba are liars. Plus, they segment the market, but that's ok for Blu Ray players out now that won't be able to play the special features on next year's disks. And all this based on assumptions about compatibility that haven't been verified, and on sales that represent the very small early adopter segment.
I've never been happy with the BD-J situation. In my opinion, the BD association should have mandated the Profile 2.0 HW spec from the get-go. That way, as the code evolves, owners would simply need to update the firmware.
That said, there is a big difference between early adopters missing out on extras, versus early adopters having movies that are unplayable.
-Space is irrelevant, it's all about bitrate.
They are tied together ... at least for full length material.
On the same token, you wouldn't trust Toshiba's players capabilities to consistently play at higher bitrates (that's without even knowing if and how capable they would be in that regard,
My point (and I thought I expressed it clearly) was that if the players are capable of it ... then I question how cost-efficient versus DVD they really are. Based on that, I'm simply questioning the theory that HD DVD HW is so much cheaper to manufacture. While Toshiba may be fine subsidizing players, other manufacturers aren't.
not to mention the fact that it won't affect you because you don't own a player)
I'm an audio/videophile. I try to keep up with all sorts of tech, many of which I will not end up owning ... either because I don't want it or simply can't afford it. Does that mean I can't discuss it?
Man, Toshiba's got a tough time on their hands trying to win you over. It makes sense to have some apprehension until things clear up, but wow, Fox/Disney will be convinced before you are, apparently. :lol
I have clearly stated that I'm of the 'one format future' mentality ... and that my reasoning is simply due to the distinct possibility that a lack of it may kill them both, or kill one but leave the other niche. Either situation is unacceptable to me.
If the roles were reversed (as far as market condition, sales, studio support, HW support, etc.), I would end up switching to to HD DVD ... regardless of my PS3 ownership.
