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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Oni Jazar

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maynerd said:
What the hell?

I thought some other site said it was awsome!? LAME!

If you read the review it seems like Peter was dissapointed on the color scheme that they used. I think it's something that if you didn't know about it before hand it wouldn't bother you. That's probably why the other review was so positive. The details are there and the image does look 3D, but the color is not the cinematographer Dean Cundey approved scheme.
 

mollipen

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VanMardigan said:
That movie was a total disappointment, and I don't see how it can benefit from HD anyway. Probably the least HD worthy movie out of all the hits this year.

Are you kidding? The movie had a huge jump in visual quality over the TV series, and will no doubt look much better in HD. Even animation that seems simply and not overly complex can see huge benefits from the jump, in everything from far better line detail to greatly improved color clarity.

I remember when anime first started coming out on DVD, the difference between those releases and the VHS versions were jaw dropping. So far, I've been seeing the same differences in anime with DVD versus HD.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
VanMardigan said:
That movie was a total disappointment, and I don't see how it can benefit from HD anyway. Probably the least HD worthy movie out of all the hits this year.
Whatdog.gif?

I could easily see the clarity and smoothness of the Simpsons in the theater, it looks amazing, i except nothing less for the blu-ray release.
 

mollipen

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captive said:
Whatdog.gif?

I could easily see the clarity and smoothness of the Simpsons in the theater, it looks amazing, i except nothing less for the blu-ray release.

And thus you explain this confusing situation.
 
maynerd said:
What the hell?

I thought some other site said it was awsome!? LAME!

The low score more has to do with the colour timing which did not deserve such a low score!.

The Blu-Ray version is not using the John Carpenter/Cundey approved transfer where the night scenes are mostly Blu-ish where this release is white. As Halloween was shot in California they gave the Blu-ish colour to make it look more like a mid-west town.

Cant post imageshack pics so here is the thread.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=19292

The BRD version still looks fab. Mine on day one!!!! followed by the eventual double dip.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
That's a shame about Haloween. The bluish tint definitely looks better to me, and it's something I associate with that movie. It almost looks like something you could fix with some twiddling with TV color controls though... BD version does look a bit bluish in itself.

VanMardigan said:
I know CGI and anime does, I'm not so sure about something like the Simpsons. We'll see. And yeah, Knocked Up didn't look that good, but I'm not sure why that matters in this case.
Watch Simpsons movie trailer in 480p vs. 720p or 1080p. *Huge* difference. In fact, I think animation (both 2D and 3D) benefits from HD more than anything else.
 

VanMardigan

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Marconelly said:
Watch Simpsons movie trailer in 480p vs. 720p or 1080p. *Huge* difference. In fact, I think animation (both 2D and 3D) benefits from HD more than anything else.

They're still on xblm right? I'll try that. I wasn't very impressed at the theaters with the quality of the image, but we'll see. For the record, I own Happy Feet and Freedom, so I KNOW animation can benefit from HD, I was questioning this title in particular.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
VanMardigan said:
They're still on xblm right? I'll try that. I wasn't very impressed at the theaters with the quality of the image, but we'll see. For the record, I own Happy Feet and Freedom, so I KNOW animation can benefit from HD, I was questioning this title in particular.
I don't know how good quality is the XBLM footage. I got that trailer back then from I think Yahoo movies (their transfers are always the best) or Apple (their transfers often have crushed blacks but are otherwise good)
 
Van, don't bother talking down BD exclusives as if hey don't matter, especially when a ton of movies don't *need* HD, but do basically look better. There were tons of talk about titles like 40YOV, Knocked Up, and other movies that don't need HD and there wasn't a chorus of "who cares" about those. Let the Simpsons fans have Pretty-HD-Simpsons and stop trying to talk down the quality of the movie or whether it needs HD or not.

That kind of talk ought to be off-limits, as we're all pro-HD over SD here, right?
 

VanMardigan

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Ignatz Mouse said:
That kind of talk ought to be off-limits, as we're all pro-HD over SD here, right?

Only if you're trying to make this a BD vs. HD DVD situation, which it is not. There's been plenty of talk about the movies you mentioned, and how comedies like Knocked Up weren't going to benefit much from HD. And that movie got low scores for PQ, iirc. That sort of stuff is discussed here all the time, and I don't mind the people that disagree and think that the Simpsons stands to benefit greatly from HD.

As long as its not taken as format war stupidity (and I see some here want to take that angle), it's fine to discuss those merits.


don't bother talking down BD exclusives as if hey don't matter

This, specifically, shows a pathetic attempt to turn my argument into a format war one. I honestly wish you WOULD keep me on ignore, since you can't keep format war talk out of every single discussion.
 

Raistlin

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Crayon Shinchan said:
It's a level of elitism I've rarely seen, much less experienced.

While plenty of reviewers are over-anal ... I can respect a reviewer who is stating their opinion based on "filmmaker's intent".


The review was updated to include:

Since I originally posted this review, many readers have asked how I could possibly rate the video on this disc so poorly when others have reported strong results for this disc's video. To be clear, setting aside the color timing issues mentioned above, this is a generally strong transfer, and if you're not sensitive to the issues inherent in preserving a director's intentions, you're not likely to take issue with the video on this disc. As a longtime fan of 'Halloween,' however -- and as someone who feels strongly that the filmmaker's intentions should always be sacrosanct -- I take particular issue with the decision to yet again utilize a compromised master for this release. If you don't happen to share this same sensitivity, you're likely to find the picture quality on this disc perfectly acceptable and even quite superior for an almost thirty year-old indie film.)

... as well as a link to comparison pics.


When taken in that context, I can live with his impressions.
 
It's a matter of context. Generally, in *this* thread, people aren't dismissive of big blockbusters based on whether or not they need HD. Feel free to find counterexamples, there might be a couple. But even if putting down a BD release isn't your motivation (didn't say it was), I suggest you don't do it anyway, becuase it's a slippery slope to invite others to do the same, and that would be even lamer than this thread has been.

Material that's natively in SD being the only exception I can think of.
 

Raistlin

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NekoFever said:
That's annoying, considering the DVD I have of the movie looks awesome (constant 10Mbps as well). They better not fuck up Dawn of the Dead.

Which version do you have that is 10Mbps? I assume the DiviMax edition?


If so, this is less gimped from a color-scheme sandpoint, and offers much better detail.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
On the topic of color timing, the new Dracula Blu-Ray also has a drastically different look versus the DVD, but it matches the transfer on Criterion's laserdisc, which was approved by Coppola and Michael Ballhaus. So in this instance, while it may be contrary to what most people expect the film to look, it is much closer to the filmmakers' original intent.

Unfortunately, the clarity and definition of the picture is said to be only a slight step beyond the Superbit DVD.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Onix said:
Which version do you have that is 10Mbps? I assume the DiviMax edition?


If so, this is less gimped from a color-scheme sandpoint, and offers much better detail.

Yeah, the daylight shots aren't nearly as badly timed as the DiviMax DVD, (pretty damned close, actually) but I just can't bring myself to buy this. I can't believe that this happened when they took so much shit over the DiviMax.
I fear for the high-def releases of the older 007 movies. The ultimate edition DVDs had some seriously fucked up color timing. It's like the people at Lowry Digital have never heard of Technicolor before.
 
Darobga said:
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EDIT: I think it works on HD DVD players too if you want to go that route..Dont think they have gen3 players though.


I can't seem to find the PS3 on their website...

I was so close to buying it, too.
 

VanMardigan

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shantyman said:
Van Mardigan, why do you not properly quote people? (i.e. use bold instead of quote)

That was an edit. It's easier for me to just bold after cutting/pasting if I'm editing than cut/paste, then quote wrap, then manually add name. And I rather edit than make a separate post...........I spam this thread enough as it is. :lol

Edit: see example below

I can't seem to find the PS3 on their website...

It was the 80GB, and it was there when he linked it. Right now the best deal is at Amazon (with the 7 free movies), and after that Ebay has the 20GB units for about $400 and the 60GB for about $50 more.
 

Chemo

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VanMardigan said:
This, specifically, shows a pathetic attempt to turn my argument into a format war one. I honestly wish you WOULD keep me on ignore, since you can't keep format war talk out of every single discussion.
This shit is hilarious, because had the film been an HD DVD exclusive he just wouldn't have mentioned it, regardless of how he felt about the film. Pretending that an animated feature would receive no benefit from high def is a joke, and a very poorly masked attempt at trolling a major Blu-ray exclusive. The responses he wanted were format war responses, and once he got them he could immediately take the high ground and pretend that it's not where he was coming from and that, in turn, the Blu-ray supporters that went "WTF" at his comments were needlessly attacking him for something innocent.

It's already been established that animation benefits greatly from high def. Try again.
 

Google

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Guys,

Here's a dumbass question.

I have a fairly old skool rear projection, 1080i TV.

It doesnt have HDMI, and it doesnt project in 720p...

When I'm using my PS3 as a Blu Ray player, am I seeing a 1080i picture through component, or am I just getting an SD picture?

I bought Planet Earth, and while it does look great, I still have that nagging feeling...
 

Oni Jazar

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Google said:
Guys,

Here's a dumbass question.

I have a fairly old skool rear projection, 1080i TV.

It doesnt have HDMI, and it doesnt project in 720p...

When I'm using my PS3 as a Blu Ray player, am I seeing a 1080i picture through component, or am I just getting an SD picture?

I bought Planet Earth, and while it does look great, I still have that nagging feeling...

If the PS3 is set to display 1080i on the XMB System Settings then it will be 1080i. Change it to 480i and play Planet Earth again to see if there is a difference in quality...
 
^i think a firmware update fixed that downgrade problem


can't wait for Halloween. The only copy i ever had was the VHS. Bracke's issue was with the color timing....the sharpness and clarity is still there :D
 

Google

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Oni Jazar said:
If the PS3 is set to display 1080i on the XMB System Settings then it will be 1080i. Change it to 480i and play Planet Earth again to see if there is a difference in quality...

No, its definately set - I just remember hearing/reading/listening to some folk stating that the PS3 only up-converts via HDMI.

Am I totally wrong?

Also, I just ordered Layer Cake, Black Hawk Down and Letters from Iwo Jima...

Is Iwo Jima hard to find or something - I've never, ever seen it in Canada.
 

VanMardigan

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Google said:
No, its definately set - I just remember hearing/reading/listening to some folk stating that the PS3 only up-converts via HDMI.

You don't upconvert a BR movie, it's already in high definition. Dvd's on the other hand, you need HDMI.
 

Google

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VanMardigan said:
You don't upconvert a BR movie, it's already in high definition. Dvd's on the other hand, you need HDMI.

So - lets be totally layman here.

If I set my PS3 to display in 480i, 480p and 1080i, via component, I will see my Blu Rays in 1080, but my DVDs in 480p?
 

ManaByte

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That's cool and all, but Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows will sure look funny siting next to that.

I'm so glad that Warner is releasing the films separately.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
my opinion: if southpark looks substantially better in hd, everything will.

simpsons might be simple looking, but better color and sharpness help everything
 
Well, I always bookend my stuff anyway, so I won't keep the movie cases inside of Hogwarts and so when the 6th and 7th are released it won't be a problem. I'm getting all 5 movies anyway; I wonder if you'd be spending more or less buying them individually, or the same.

edit: just realized the discs come in smaller containers within the set... meh.
 
brandonh83 said:
Well, I always bookend my stuff anyway, so I won't keep the movie cases inside of Hogwarts and so when the 6th and 7th are released it won't be a problem. I'm getting all 5 movies anyway; I wonder if you'd be spending more or less buying them individually, or the same.

Do we know if the movies inside the box come in actual BR/HD-DVD cases?
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I think that news is entirely possible,
But i'm not getting my hopes up

There are a couple of things that lend this some credibility,
Foremost being the fact this was only milked for a couple of days..

But it also has a ton going against it (new poster, VERY specific)

At this point i'm not sure what it would mean, obviously a huge blow against the HD-DVD camp, and if Paramount did not make it's bullheaded move, that would be it (game, set, match)

But, since they did...

Onix said:
Woah .... wait a second ... any chance this isn't a coincidence?

http://n4g.com/gaming/News-70273.aspx


0_o


Now THAT would be really fucked up.

That would explain how the leak was so damn specific
But, what does it really have to do with gaming?
 

Raistlin

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Suikoguy said:
I think that news is entirely possible,
But i'm not getting my hopes up

There are a couple of things that lend this some credibility,
Foremost being the fact this was only milked for a couple of days..

Agree.

But it also has a ton going against it (new poster, VERY specific)

Agree also.

Then again, he may actually work for Sony or Panasonic ... and this was purposfully slipped to make sure everyone is paying attention to the news?

At this point i'm not sure what it would mean, obviously a huge blow against the HD-DVD camp, and if Paramount did not make it's bullheaded move, that would be it (game, set, match)

But, since they did...

While true ... I think most people would take Warner/New Line over Paramount/Dreamworks ... by a lot ... and that includes HD DVD owners. So it still would be a pretty significant blow, though as you said ... maybe not a death knell (at least not immediately)

That would explain how the leak was so damn specific
But, what does it really have to do with gaming?

Attack of the Show is not a gaming-only show ... which is why it seems plausible. If the big news item was gaming-specific, wouldn't they have picked one of the gaming shows to announce it?

Attack of the Show is exactly the show I would expect something like this to be discussed.
 
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