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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
djkimothy said:
December doesn't look any better.

Transformers would be the only HDDVD release I would be interested. Not enough to get a player for. :/

And before October, there were no HD DVD releases in the past year you've been interested in? :\

Besides, once you get a player, you open yourself up to more possibilities. If you're just looking for reasons NOT to get an HD DVD player, you'll find a lot. But if you actually wanted to expand your HD movie library, HD DVD can do it starting at around $200.
 

thaivo

Member
Samsung Cancels BDP-2400 Blu-ray Player, Delays BD-UP5000 Dual-Format Player

Although they were among the most eagerly anticipated of the season, it seems two of Samsung's previously-announced next-gen players will not hit store shelves later this month as originally planned.
I guess this player won't be making the October 31st deadline, so it won't be sold at all. They're going to likely need to upgrade it to profile 1.1 in order to release it now.
 
That list is still incomplete though.

Hot Rod just got announced for Nov. 27th, and titles like The Kingdom, Balls of Fury, Stardust, and dual format releases like The Invasion from Warner should still be coming before the end of the year on top of unofficially announced catalog titles.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
That interest has to be weighed against supporting two formats indefinitely. I think dkj has weighed in on that front already.

Honestly, it's mind-boggling how much importance you guys selectively place on stuff. There is NO huge investment required here. Why not just get a cheap player and rent stuff on Netflix if there is so much feigned concern over the "indefinite" nature of support? You get access to better versions of many movies, exclusive titles by Universal, Paramount, and Dreamworks, and all at a very reasonable price. If you're scared about the format, then don't buy it or buy a cheap player and rent. Any other talk is just nonsense to try to rationalize why you can't see Transformers and a bunch of other movies in frickin high definition even though all you're missing is a $200 player to hook up to your current setup.

I can honestly understand someone who doesn't give a damn about HD DVD or doesn't have the funds, but if you don't fall into either camp, you're just making up excuses. I'm convinced that many folks even believe that they are personally prolonging the format war by getting an HD DVD player, as if the $150 million dollars Toshiba gave Paramount/Dreamworks is somehow going to be validated by ignatz mouse stubbornly refusing to expand his HD disc possibilites, or that Sony is suddenly going to drop Blu Ray support because djkimothy bought an HD DVD player and rented some movies he wanted to see in HD.

/rant
 
VanMardigan said:
I'd choose Curse of the Black Pearl since it's more of the type of movie you can pop in when you have guests over (plus I enjoyed it). I heard about the Prestige on HD DVD, and its one of the two movies I'd consider importing along with Apocalypto.

Not 100% sure but I'd double check the import version of Apocalypto. I think there are only Polish subtitles on it (unless it's been also released elsewhere).
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
I know this is OT, but has anyone seen the Pio Elite PDP - Pro FHD110?

I want a Kuro pretty badly, and Im hoping this thing really knocks it out of the park. 5K is a stiff asking price.. but if the black level is better than the 5080 (supposed to be), the contrast is better (supposed to be) and the color production is spot on (supposed to be).. I cant see not jumping all over this thing.. I just want some impressions.. and not AVS "We have fanboys for everything" style impressions.
 

djkimothy

Member
VanMardigan said:
And before October, there were no HD DVD releases in the past year you've been interested in? :\

Besides, once you get a player, you open yourself up to more possibilities. If you're just looking for reasons NOT to get an HD DVD player, you'll find a lot. But if you actually wanted to expand your HD movie library, HD DVD can do it starting at around $200.

Actually it $299! I still don't know why canadians pay so much for electronics!

Any HDDVD titles I'm interested in were neutral releases anyways. None of the exclusives really interest me prior to October. I've watched Shaun of the Dead and I wasn't really impressed.

Warner has made comments that they would release V, BB and Matrix for Blu-ray so I can wait for those.

Most films I'm interested in are available on Blu-ray, whether exclusively or not. Same can't be said for HDDVD in terms of films that I want. Disney/Buena Vista is really the studio that's swaying me since I'm such a Pixar fan. Aside from Cars and Incredibles...
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
The hell? Amazon is listing Evil Dead 2, DawnOTD and DayOTD as shipping oct 15th-19th for me?! They release Oct 2nd, what would the holdup be?
 
Dot50Cal said:
The hell? Amazon is listing Evil Dead 2, DawnOTD and DayOTD as shipping oct 15th-19th for me?! They release Oct 2nd, what would the holdup be?

They always do that. Your copy should ship on time today or tomorrow.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
djkimothy said:
Any HDDVD titles I'm interested in were neutral releases anyways. None of the exclusives really interest me prior to October. I've watched Shaun of the Dead and I wasn't really impressed.

Warner has made comments that they would release V, BB and Matrix for Blu-ray so I can wait for those.

Just cross the border and get an HD A2 :p
Still, if you can honestly tell me that nothing in the Universal catalog of movies released thus far and the rest of this year interests you (even if I have a hard time relating), and that Transformers is the only upcoming Paramount release you care about, and that you prefer to wait for the Warner pseudo-exclusives (and the current/future titles that have better features on HD DVD), then fine. Personal taste trumps all other factors, for sure.
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
The Main Event said:
They always do that. Your copy should ship on time today or tomorrow.

Ah, thanks. I was beginning to regret my first Amazon Bluray purchase in a while :D

I wish The Thing was on Bluray. I have no interest in a dedicated player and can't see myself buying the 360 add on for one movie :\ Any impressions on how it looks from users here?
 
Van, getting an HD-DVD for rental is a possibility, but given the stories I've heard here about how long it takes to get HD DVD releases by netflix, plus the fact that my local rental places are BluRay oriented (with a little HD DVD) and it looks less and less appealing.

Not that it isn't a possible scenario, it's just not there yet. Sorry. Getting closer with cheaper players, but not cheap enough and not enough movie availablity to rent just yet.
 

yacobod

Banned
usually when i preorder a new dvd, hd-dvd, bluray from amazon, it usually arrives on the same day of release, definately beats going to the store
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Van, getting an HD-DVD for rental is a possibility, but given the stories I've heard here about how long it takes to get HD DVD releases by netflix, plus the fact that my local rental places are BluRay oriented (with a little HD DVD) and it looks less and less appealing.

Yeah, it's pretty bad for BOTH formats, Blu Ray and HD DVD, on Netflix. But that's mostly on new releases and its not always the case. I was still able to get the Heroes Season One without a problem.

Besides, if I remember your preferences, you seem to prefer a lot of the catalog stuff from Uni like the Big Lebowski and stuff, right? Those won't give you any issues in terms of having them available on Netflix. Good luck getting Transformers though. :lol
 

djkimothy

Member
VanMardigan said:
Just cross the border and get an HD A2 :p
Still, if you can honestly tell me that nothing in the Universal catalog of movies released thus far and the rest of this year interests you (even if I have a hard time relating), and that Transformers is the only upcoming Paramount release you care about, and that you prefer to wait for the Warner pseudo-exclusives (and the current/future titles that have better features on HD DVD), then fine. Personal taste trumps all other factors, for sure.


Hahah, I'd probably get an HDDVD player from the states if I ever do get one.

The one thing that Universal has released that interests me is Sneakers.

OT: I'm pretty much boycotting Chapters here to get better price parity for books and shit. And I don't appear to be alone. Everyone is now shopping amazon.com instead of .ca.

usually when i preorder a new dvd, hd-dvd, bluray from amazon, it usually arrives on the same day of release, definately beats going to the store

Bah, I've had opposite experience with amazon.ca. :/
 

Xater

Member
BTW I want to know when those new Toshiba HD DVD Players will be released over here. At IFA they said October and nowhere I can find a date. Amazon.de has it but without a date and for too much money (409 although the price was supposed to be 349-399).
 
djkimothy said:
Bah, I've had opposite experience with amazon.ca. :/

Don't order from Amazon.ca! Especially with our 1:1 money right now, I usually get my movies that I pre-order within a week after its release (standard shipping) (if you don't mind waiting that long).

And better yet, no tax or import fees.
 

Google

Member
The Main Event said:
And better yet, no tax or import fees.

I just ordered $95 of books/DVDs from Amazon ($40 shipping - WTF!!?!?!) and it lists the delivery as mid Oct.

I'm not too concerned about that, but will I have to be paying import duties and taxes etc.

I'm in Vancouver...
 

djkimothy

Member
The Main Event said:
Don't order from Amazon.ca! Especially with our 1:1 money right now, I usually get my movies that I pre-order within a week after its release (standard shipping) (if you don't mind waiting that long).

And better yet, no tax or import fees.

Yah, ever since we've reached parity I've had enough with the Canadian arm. I'm getting all my books/cds/DVDs from there from the US site from now on. And I don't mind the wait as long as I don't have to pay the high canadian prices.
 
Google said:
I just ordered $95 of books/DVDs from Amazon ($40 shipping - WTF!!?!?!) and it lists the delivery as mid Oct.

I'm not too concerned about that, but will I have to be paying import duties and taxes etc.

I'm in Vancouver...

Even when you order from the Amazon.com website, if your address is Canadian, your stuff will be shipped from their Canadian warehouse (which I think is located in Vancouver if I'm not mistaken).

I've ordered $100+ of stuff a couple of times from them, never paid a dime for import duties and taxes (great way to avoid our 13.95% TX here in Quebec).
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
360: $449 (Elite, for no good reason)
TV: $5,000 (anything less would be uncivilized)
Couch: $7,500 (Brazilian Leather)
Remote $250 (trash the included remote and go for a Harmony)

It's true, Blu Ray is cheaper.
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
VanMardigan said:
360: $449 (Elite, for no good reason)
TV: $5,000 (anything less would be uncivilized)
Couch: $7,500 (Brazilian Leather)
Remote $250 (trash the included remote and go for a Harmony)

It's true, Blu Ray is cheaper.

:lol :lol
 
So I've decided that I'm skipping the entire HD-DVD/BluRay war and sticking with standard DVDs with a good upconverting player (Oppo DV-981HD).

Now the question is whether it even makes sense for me to purchase a 1080p capable set at all when I can get a nice, larger non-1080p set for the same price. I guess the only logic that I have is "future proofing", assuming that one day, 1080p will become standard.

Anyone using an upconverting DVD player with a 1080p set? How are the results?
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
CharlieDigital said:
So I've decided that I'm skipping the entire HD-DVD/BluRay war and sticking with standard DVDs with a good upconverting player (Oppo DV-981HD).

Now the question is whether it even makes sense for me to purchase a 1080p capable set at all when I can get a nice, larger non-1080p set for the same price. I guess the only logic that I have is "future proofing", assuming that one day, 1080p will become standard.

Anyone using an upconverting DVD player with a 1080p set? How are the results?
gtfo with that shit. HD or nothing!
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
CharlieDigital said:
So I've decided that I'm skipping the entire HD-DVD/BluRay war and sticking with standard DVDs with a good upconverting player (Oppo DV-981HD).

Now the question is whether it even makes sense for me to purchase a 1080p capable set at all when I can get a nice, larger non-1080p set for the same price. I guess the only logic that I have is "future proofing", assuming that one day, 1080p will become standard.

Anyone using an upconverting DVD player with a 1080p set? How are the results?

If you aren't at least going to go for HD satellite or HD cable or something...HD, I wouldn't bother with a HDTV for awhile. Well, till xmas anyways. Sale prices are sure to be crazy so, there you go.
 
Kintaro said:
If you aren't at least going to go for HD satellite or HD cable or something...HD, I wouldn't bother with a HDTV for awhile. Well, till xmas anyways. Sale prices are sure to be crazy so, there you go.

Well, I have an HDTV now with HD via Comcast. It looks great, but from what I understand it's not 1080p (broadcast HD is 1080i/720p, right?).

I just moved into a new house and I have a new room to furnish and a decent budget to work with. We need a new TV since the old TV (again, it's an HD set) is now in the basement.

My real question is whether I should bother with 1080p if I don't plan on getting an HD-DVD or BluRay player (variety of reasons like not wanting to replace DVD library, stupid format wars, no decided "winner", questions about format longevity).

1080p seems to add a premium to every component in the system from the monitor to the receiver and to the DVD player (even if I don't get a BluRay or HD-DVD player, I'd end up getting an upconverting DVD player).

My quandary is whether for a consumer like me - not interested in BR or HD-DVD - is 1080p something that I should get. Is there a movement to standardize broadcast HD to 1080p?
 

lupin23rd

Member
The Main Event said:
Even when you order from the Amazon.com website, if your address is Canadian, your stuff will be shipped from their Canadian warehouse (which I think is located in Vancouver if I'm not mistaken).

I've ordered $100+ of stuff a couple of times from them, never paid a dime for import duties and taxes (great way to avoid our 13.95% TX here in Quebec).

I ordered Blood Diamond BD from Amazon.com and I am in Vancouver as well.

I got an email midnight on the release date saying it was shipped, and I don't think I saw it until the next Friday...

Never again.
 

lachesis

Member
CharlieDigital said:
Well, I have an HDTV now with HD via Comcast. It looks great, but from what I understand it's not 1080p (broadcast HD is 1080i/720p, right?).

I just moved into a new house and I have a new room to furnish and a decent budget to work with. We need a new TV since the old TV (again, it's an HD set) is now in the basement.

My real question is whether I should bother with 1080p if I don't plan on getting an HD-DVD or BluRay player (variety of reasons like not wanting to replace DVD library, stupid format wars, no decided "winner", questions about format longevity).

1080p seems to add a premium to every component in the system from the monitor to the receiver and to the DVD player (even if I don't get a BluRay or HD-DVD player, I'd end up getting an upconverting DVD player).

My quandary is whether for a consumer like me - not interested in BR or HD-DVD - is 1080p something that I should get. Is there a movement to standardize broadcast HD to 1080p?

well, I'm actually on opposite end of you - that missing 1080p makes me feel missing out something - as I netflix lots of HD contents on Bluray and HD-DVD.

I understand your frustration w/ dual standard and all - but when you think of what they both perform: 1080p, and perhaps future video games - it might be worthy of getting 1080p to be ready in whatever case... if you can afford it, that is.
 

djkimothy

Member
VanMardigan said:
$179 for the HD DVD add-on, ~ $218 for the HD A2

Well, the cost of entry to HDDVD through the add-on is higher than that since you need a 360 (I don't have a 360 so obtaining an HDDVD player will cost more than just the add-on). So the A2 would be the cheaper route.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
CharlieDigital said:
Well, I have an HDTV now with HD via Comcast. It looks great, but from what I understand it's not 1080p (broadcast HD is 1080i/720p, right?).

I just moved into a new house and I have a new room to furnish and a decent budget to work with. We need a new TV since the old TV (again, it's an HD set) is now in the basement.

My real question is whether I should bother with 1080p if I don't plan on getting an HD-DVD or BluRay player (variety of reasons like not wanting to replace DVD library, stupid format wars, no decided "winner", questions about format longevity).

1080p seems to add a premium to every component in the system from the monitor to the receiver and to the DVD player (even if I don't get a BluRay or HD-DVD player, I'd end up getting an upconverting DVD player).

My quandary is whether for a consumer like me - not interested in BR or HD-DVD - is 1080p something that I should get. Is there a movement to standardize broadcast HD to 1080p?

Your 1080i broadcast would see an improvement if the TV has a good de-interlacer. I would go for it. 720p has always been a stop gap.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
CharlieDigital said:
I just moved into a new house and I have a new room to furnish and a decent budget to work with. We need a new TV since the old TV (again, it's an HD set) is now in the basement.

My real question is whether I should bother with 1080p if I don't plan on getting an HD-DVD or BluRay player (variety of reasons like not wanting to replace DVD library, stupid format wars, no decided "winner", questions about format longevity).

Since you have decent budget for about $100 more than the price of the Oppo give or take you can get an hd dvd player that will upconvert your DVDs. Secondly, you dont have to replace your dvd library. Thirdly you mention longevity, DVDs will not be around forever something will supplant it eventually whether that will be hd dvd, blu ray, digital downloads or an entirely new format I couldnt tell you. Finally to answer your question I'd go with 1080p set to futureproof as you say even if you plan on sticking it out with dvds for a while.
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
I don't get this whole "Upconversion" talk. The image is still shit. You have a 480i source, its not going to look any better because a box resized it to 1080p rather than your TV. Granted some TV's dont scale as well, but you are still looking at mud on the screen. Theres no magic that makes it look better, if anything it looks worse with the way upconverting boxes change the color accuracy. The only reason to use upconversion is because your TV does a piss poor job. Even then you probably have a placebo effect.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
StoOgE said:
I know this is OT, but has anyone seen the Pio Elite PDP - Pro FHD110?

I want a Kuro pretty badly, and Im hoping this thing really knocks it out of the park. 5K is a stiff asking price.. but if the black level is better than the 5080 (supposed to be), the contrast is better (supposed to be) and the color production is spot on (supposed to be).. I cant see not jumping all over this thing.. I just want some impressions.. and not AVS "We have fanboys for everything" style impressions.



In my opinion, the PRO 110FD is the best TV in the world....it should be the best of all KUROs....the 1080p models have the best contrast ratio and the 50-inchers have slightly better contrast than the 60 incher because there are more plasma cells per square inch on the 50s so you have a tighter group of 1920 x 1080 pixels there...and the ELITEs are the best of the best so the best Pioneer Plasma (Picture Quality-wise) is the 50-inch 1080p Elite TV.....ie, the Elite PRO 110FD

Regardless, my eyes tell me I have never seen a better picture PERIOD, this includes demos I have seen of Fujitsu AVIAMO 1080p panels, Runco panels.....but the #1 very best picture I have ever seen was the SIM2 HT5000 3-chip 1080p DLP front projector ($49K) in a light controlled home theater on a 120-inch Stewart Filmscreen GrayHawk screen........the picture quality of the Pio ELITE 110FD Blu Ray demo I saw was *AT LEAST* as good as that.....so good, you wanted to cry:lol




But you dont have to believe me, check out this review of the Elite 110FD from Home Theater mag and notice the very first line in the review says this in italics:

greatest flat-panel ever

Now
Let's start with the big one. The black level, as measured in our lab, is 0.004 foot-lamberts. For comparison, the best black level we've measured on a plasma previously was 0.012 ft-L, which was a Panasonic TH-42PX60U. The best black level on an LCD we've ever measured was 0.006 ft-L on the Sharp LC-52D92U. So that 0.004 ft-L is lower than any other flat panel we've ever measured. While excellent, it's still not black. As in, you can still see when the TV is on or tell the black letterbox bars from the dark room beyond. I know, I'm asking for a lot. I mean, you'd have to get a projector and a pretty big screen to reach a better black level (or, admittedly, a CRT). But as impressive as that measurement is, it isn't even the amazing part.

At 4,020:1, the PRO-110FD's full-on/full-off contrast ratio is so good, it is nearly double that of the next best flat panel. Read that again. Double. This isn't an incremental improvement, as we've seen with all flat panels over the past few years. This is a marked jump. And that's comparing it with the best of the rest. If you take the average contrast ratio of current flat panels, it's three or four times better. The irony is that plasmas aren't supposed to have a good full-on/full-off contrast ratio; it's in their very design not to. I'll come back to that, as this still isn't the amazing part.

Build Quality 96 (Excellent)

• Feels like a $6,000 product should
• Good luck finding burn-in

Value 91 (Good)
• It sure is crazy expensive
• But for this level of performance. . .

Features 98 (Excellent)
• 72-hertz mode is great
• Four HDMI inputs

Performance 98 (Excellent)
• You have to see it to believe it
• Near-perfect processing

Ergonomics 96 (Excellent)
• Backlit remote
• Direct input access

Overall 96 (Excellent)

It is, without a doubt, one of the greatest flat-screen TVs ever made. It really is that much better than everything else out there. How's that for hyperbole?

There *is* no better Flat Panel IMO:D
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's amazing how far flat panels have come in such a short amount of time. It seems like only yesterday that I was at CES 2000, trying to hold back tears of laughter looking at them. And now, I'm ready to buy one.
 

MadOdorMachine

No additional functions
CharlieDigital said:
So I've decided that I'm skipping the entire HD-DVD/BluRay war and sticking with standard DVDs with a good upconverting player (Oppo DV-981HD).

Now the question is whether it even makes sense for me to purchase a 1080p capable set at all when I can get a nice, larger non-1080p set for the same price. I guess the only logic that I have is "future proofing", assuming that one day, 1080p will become standard.

Anyone using an upconverting DVD player with a 1080p set? How are the results?
I've got the OPPO 971H and it has the best picture quality by far of any other DVD player I've tried. I have a 56" 720p Samsung DLP, so I needed a good scaler. The OPPO does and excellent job at scaling, but the image quality is entirely dependent on the DVD source. Obviously older single layer DVDs aren't going to look as good when upscaled as newer dual-layered, master from an HD source DVD. If your mind is made up on holding out, OPPO is the way to go.

There are some issues though. First off is audio syncing. About 2/3 of the movies I watch through the OPPO, the lip syncing gets off with the audio. It can be gixed during the film through the DVD hardware menu. Next is image quality. While the OPPO does a fantastic job, it's not HD and there are several movies I've watched where the blurriness bothered me. It wasn't unwatchable, it was just noticable which irritated me. Even the newest DVDs (007, Departed, 300, etc.) still do this. Well, I decided I wasn't going to watch Transformers like that. I've spent all this money on a home theater system and I want to have the best experience as possible. For a long time I was going to wait until the format wars were over to jump on the HD movie bandwagon. After the Paramount/Dreamworks deal, I'm beginning to think that either the wait will be a lot longer than I thought, or that the market will just support two formats like it's currently doing. When it's all said and done, the OPPO will just serve as a temporary fix for you. Think about that before you buy a new player, because there are HD-DVD players you can get that will probably be pretty comparable with upscaling. I'll try to get some pictures up later.

Edit - Here's some examples of the 360 HD-DVD player vs. the OPPO. This is a pretty accurate representation of the sharpness offered by HD imo. The blurriness isn't unbearable on the OPPO, but it's noticable. The OPPO does a better job at playing regular DVD's than the 360 or PS3 so I keep it hooked up. Aside from that, I've moved to HD formats.

King Kong OPPO 1

KongSD1.jpg


King Kong HD-DVD 1

KongHD1.jpg


King Kong OPPO 2

KongSD2.jpg


King Kong HD-DVD 2

KongHD2.jpg
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
TAJ said:
It's amazing how far flat panels have come in such a short amount of time. It seems like only yesterday that I was at CES 2000, trying to hold back tears of laughter looking at them. And now, I'm ready to buy one.

The great thing about the Kuro is that... it's finally at that level of no compromise. The only way it'd get better is if became bigger, or thinner...

and to be honest, that's pretty boring nowadays.


Still; for that kinda dosh, I'd prefer to buy a 1080p projector. I'm so damn tempted by the new Sony Amehyst; VPL-VW60. It's almost the perfect projector. The biggest problem with it though is that it still uses normal light bulbs. If laser light bulbs were backwards compatible, I'd be all over it in a heart beat... but still... waiting on that laser light stuff... which I'm fast believing is going the way of the FED.
 
http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/detail.php?p=42717&v=nbuunidvdhdd

Disc 1

* HD DVD - Side ARun Time: 1 Hours and 31 Minutes
* MPAA Rating: PG-13 (Crude and Sex-Related Humor, and for Language)
* Audio: Dolby True HD 5.1 Surround (English), Dolby Digital 5.1 (French), Dolby Digital
Plus 5.1 (English)
* Subtitles: English SDH, French
* Picture: Widescreen (1.85:1)
* Color

* Bonus: Deleted Scenes
* Alternate Ending
* Balls Out: The Making of Balls of Fury
* Under the Balls: The Life of a Ball Wrangler

* Standard Definition - Side BRun Time: 1 Hours and 31 Minutes
* MPAA Rating: PG-13 (Crude and Sex-Related Humor, and for Language)
* Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
* Color

* Bonus: Deleted Scenes
* Alternate Ending
* Balls Out: The Making of Balls of Fury
* Under the Balls: The Life of a Ball Wrangler
 

maharg

idspispopd
Dot50Cal said:
I don't get this whole "Upconversion" talk. The image is still shit. You have a 480i source, its not going to look any better because a box resized it to 1080p rather than your TV.

This has been said a couple of times, but DVDs aren't 480i. They can be, but it's pretty unlikely. Movies are encoded at 480p.
 

Heezzi

Banned
djkimothy said:
Well, the cost of entry to HDDVD through the add-on is higher than that since you need a 360 (I don't have a 360 so obtaining an HDDVD player will cost more than just the add-on). So the A2 would be the cheaper route.

You can use it with a PC.
 
VanMardigan said:
No HDi.....meh. I hate it when movies don't get the interactive extras, since having those HDi features makes it easy for subsequent viewings.

Looking at the extra features, I don't see how HDi could improve them on that release though.
 
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