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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Big-E

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Witchfinder General said:
Picked up Cinderella Man and Starship Troopers on Blu-Ray.

I hope they look and sound good.

Wait, Starship Troopers is out on Blu-Ray? I got to start keeping up with the times.
 

Xater

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I just bought the SPider-Man trilogy. The packaging is pretty sweet with the silver plastic spider on the black box but I don't like that the specs are glued to the box. A sleeve would have been better.
 
Xater said:
I just bought the SPider-Man trilogy. The packaging is pretty sweet with the silver plastic spider on the black box but I don't like that the specs are glued to the box. A sleeve would have been better.

How much was it ? My Media Markt wants 90 €, these bastards...
 

Xater

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Benjamin1981 said:
How much was it ? My Media Markt wants 90 €, these bastards...

64€. Thanks for telling me that it is Media Markt exclusive or I would have had to wait for who knows how long.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Onix said:
When are the other Gen 3 models coming out?

I'm looking for one that has Reon (with full noise reduction control) ... or better yet Realta ... along with 23.976 output for DVD (not the currently gimped 24Hz output)?

If the price is right, and I can get a good number of HD DVD's ... I'm in.

Robert at Value Electronics (an AVS regular) has already been shipping the A35 units. The A3s are due by the end of the month I believe.

The A35 comes with 2 movies in the box (300 and Bourne Identity), Robert throws in the HD DVD Digital Video Essentials calibration disc for free, another 2 HDScape movies of your choice, plus you get to pick from the new lineup of Toshiba 5 free movie deal.
 

NekoFever

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I'm sure this has been done to death, but I got Top Gun on HD DVD in the mail today. If that can have Dolby TrueHD, DTS-ES, and several Dolby Digital Plus tracks, why can't Transformers, Paramount? WHY!!??

Still...Kenny Loggins in TrueHD = win.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
NekoFever said:
I'm sure this has been done to death, but I got Top Gun on HD DVD in the mail today. If that can have Dolby TrueHD, DTS-ES, and several Dolby Digital Plus tracks, why can't Transformers, Paramount? WHY!!??

Still...Kenny Loggins in TrueHD = win.

Its not a matter of cant for their other releases. They just didnt. Paramount and Universal are transitioning from DD+ over to TrueHD, but its gonna take time.

We may get it later in a double dip, or they may not do it at all.
 

Oni Jazar

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I think HD DVD is going to get a sizable jump in the ratio tomorrow:

In the high-definition disc arena, "Knocked Up" bowed at No. 1 on the HD DVD chart in its first week out, while Warner's "300" regained the top spot on the Blu-ray Disc chart. "Knocked Up" is not available on Blu-ray.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11809095#post11809095

Comedy or not Knocked Up is just too big a day & date flick for it not to make a sizable dent.
 

Witchfinder General

punched Wheelchair Mike
Watched Cinderella Man. Picture quality was fairly decent although black levels weren't the greatest and some of the skin tones looked a bit weird. The audio (in uncompressed PCM at least), however was fantastic, especially during the fight scenes where it really felt you were part of the crowd.
 
Welcome your new overlord: The BD-100. Quad Layered 100gb Blu-ray Disc.

Hitachi has developed a prototype four layer Blu-Ray disc capable of holding 100GB of data.

While companies such as TDK and Panasonic have previously mooted 100GB discs, they have always needed a specially developed optical head in the player to read the disc.

Hitachi, however, claims to have used a standard Blu-Ray drive optical head that's only slightly modified to allow it to read and write data across the four 25GB layers. It's believed this will only require a firmware update to make existing drives compatible.

The company is apparently working now to stabilise signal quality before considering a commercial roll-out.

The hardware manufacturer is also researching an eight layer disc that can hold 200GB of data but has encountered problems with reflections decreasing signal strength across the eight layers, which it is working to rectify.

At the time of going to press there is no word on when the disc will be ready for commercial release.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/126871/hitachi-showcases-100gb-bluray-disc.html

The word is, Hitachi plans to roll these out in 2009, and possibly for consumer use. Earlier this year, they weren't able to overcome the problem of a hardware changes to existing drives, it appears now they have reduced the change to just a firmware update for the players. Let's see where this goes.
 

Xater

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Oni Jazar said:
I think HD DVD is going to get a sizable jump in the ratio tomorrow:



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11809095#post11809095

Comedy or not Knocked Up is just too big a day & date flick for it not to make a sizable dent.

It's funny how eProductwars doesn't reflect that AT ALL! Maybe the site can be laid to rest finally.

I know I might pick up Knocked Up when I buy my HD DVD player. BTW I got a response from Toshiba Germany and they have no idea when the new palyers will come out. How can companies work lik this, not knowing when they wil release their stuff in the next 4 weeks?
 

theBishop

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DarkJediKnight said:
Welcome your new overlord: The BD-100. Quad Layered 100gb Blu-ray Disc.



http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/126871/hitachi-showcases-100gb-bluray-disc.html

The word is, Hitachi plans to roll these out in 2009, and possibly for consumer use. Earlier this year, they weren't able to overcome the problem of a hardware changes to existing drives, it appears now they have reduced the change to just a firmware update for the players. Let's see where this goes.

its sad though. DVDR-DL are still pretty expensive, and SL BD-Rs are like $25. It'll be years before we can get a spindle of these things for under $200.
 

Oni Jazar

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VanMardigan said:
So what's your guess as far as ratio?

I'm thinking 57/43

I'd guess around there too. I'm wondering if Smallville and the We Are Marshall delays will cause BD to be slightly higher then it would have been if they were no shipping issues.
 

Costanza

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Just picked up Dawn of the Dead on BR, which was like my first purchase in like the last 2 or 3 months .

Next week is 28 Days/Weeks Later and possibly Twilight Zone depending on PQ rating.
 

DustinC

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I picked up Dawn and Dracula. I thought they both looked pretty damn good, Dawn especially. I'll have to wait a couple weeks for the other Anchor bay Horror stuff, but by then Robocop and the Fly will be out. My wallet hurts.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
These prices are inconsistent, im going to get weeds seasons 1 & 2 for 27 bucks each... while Robocop is 27 by itself.
A few good men, Underworld and Dawn of the Dead 19 bucks each, while 28 days later and weeks later 27(thanks fox!). Lionsgate and Sony are inconsistent in their own pricing, while FOX is just consistently overpriced, but thats nothing new.
 

Costanza

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captive said:
These prices are inconsistent, im going to get weeds seasons 1 & 2 for 27 bucks each... while Robocop is 27 by itself.
A few good men, Underworld and Dawn of the Dead 19 bucks each, while 28 days later and weeks later 27(thanks fox!). Lionsgate and Sony are inconsistent in their own pricing, while FOX is just consistently overpriced, but thats nothing new.
28 Days/Weeks will probably be 35 bucks at Best Buy :( *sigh*

I wish I could pricematch Amazon.
 
captive said:
These prices are inconsistent, im going to get weeds seasons 1 & 2 for 27 bucks each... while Robocop is 27 by itself.
A few good men, Underworld and Dawn of the Dead 19 bucks each, while 28 days later and weeks later 27(thanks fox!). Lionsgate and Sony are inconsistent in their own pricing, while FOX is just consistently overpriced, but thats nothing new.

Sony has one price for new releases (higher), and one price for catalog titles (lower).
 
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/High-Def_Disc_Rentals/Netflix/Report:_Netflix_Users_Favor_HD_DVD/1036

A new report indicates that although only a tiny percentage of Netflix users are high-def early adopters, among them HD DVD appears to be favored over Blu-ray by a factor of more than two-to-one.

According to data released by web metrics site Compete.com (see chart below), out of an average 14 million monthly visitors to Netflix from June-August of 2007, only 48,000 (0.3%) viewed the site's genre pages for either HD DVD or Blu-ray.

Curiously, although those who looked at Blu-ray titles outnumbered those looking at HD-DVD by a factor of 1.8 to 1, among those who set an high-def format as their preferred disc format, HD-DVD was chosen over Blu-ray by a factor of 2.4 to 1.

Based on these numbers, Compete says those who looked at the HD-DVD genre were 4.4 times more likely than Blu-ray browsers to actually set this as their preferred format.

The numbers would appear to contradict recent statements made by Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, who said in late August interview that customer demand for both formats at Netflix was "pretty evenly split."

Compete.com estimates US web traffic using a sample group of two million web users.

:D
 

Forsete

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So we can conclude that HD-DVD buyers are afraid of HD-DVD shaky future thus renting movies, opposed to BD owners which feel secure rather buying their movies as can be seen in the sales data? :D
 
Forsete said:
So we can conclude that HD-DVD buyers are afraid of HD-DVD shaky future thus renting movies, opposed to BD owners which feel secure rather buying their movies as can be seen in the sales data? :D

That's a bad analogy ;)
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
distantmantra said:
That could also be due to HD-DVD supporters boycotting Blockbuster Online...

Who knows, I really don't care.
That's actually a pretty good theory. Online BR renters can go with either Blockbuster or Netflix as the two major online movie rental sources, whereas all of the HD-DVD renters are necessarily being funneled through Netflix.
 

VanMardigan

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distantmantra said:
That could also be due to HD-DVD supporters boycotting Blockbuster Online...

Who knows, I really don't care.

Blockbuster Online never stopped offering HD DVD...........

human5892 said:
That's actually a pretty good theory. Online BR renters can go with either Blockbuster or Netflix as the two major online movie rental sources, whereas all of the HD-DVD renters are necessarily being funneled through Netflix.


WRONG!!
 

ManaByte

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VanMardigan said:
Blockbuster Online never stopped offering HD DVD...........




WRONG!!

Really? All I can find is Digital Video Essentials on HD-DVD on the site; nothing else.

EDIT: Nevermind. You can't search for anything. You have to select the movie and go to "all versions" tab. They are deliberately hiding HD-DVDs on the site.
 

VanMardigan

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ManaByte said:
Really? All I can find is Digital Video Essentials on HD-DVD on the site; nothing else.

EDIT: Nevermind. You can't search for anything. You have to select the movie and go to "all versions" tab. They are deliberately hiding HD-DVDs on the site.


Or you go to "collections", then HD DVD:

http://www.blockbuster.com/browse/collections/hdDvdPackage

They are not hiding it, the Blu Ray tab was a very recent addition, and finding a Blu Ray version takes the same effort otherwise (if you're using their search function)
 

VanMardigan

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human5892 said:
Their site doesn't make it very obvious that they still have HD-DVD. "Find Movies" has only a Blu Ray option.

They made it very clear in the statement about their Blu Ray stuff that they would still carry HD DVD online, and they do. New releases, catalog titles, it's all there. The ONLY thing that changed was they added a "Blu Ray tab" to the main navigation section. HD DVD is accessed the same way it always has been and the way you would've accessed Blu Ray before the addition.

I was a BB Online user BEFORE the whole Blu Ray payoff, and I can tell you that the HD DVD section has ALWAYS been accessed the same exact way it is now. I'm guessing part of the agreement with Sony was to add that extra tab at the the higher level of their (crappy) navigational menu.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
VanMardigan said:
They made it very clear in the statement about their Blu Ray stuff that they would still carry HD DVD online, and they do. New releases, catalog titles, it's all there. The ONLY thing that changed was they added a "Blu Ray tab" to the main navigation section. HD DVD is accessed the same way it always has been and the way you would've accessed Blu Ray before the addition.

I was a BB Online user BEFORE the whole Blu Ray payoff, and I can tell you that the HD DVD section has ALWAYS been accessed the same exact way it is now. I'm guessing part of the agreement with Sony was to add that extra tab at the the higher level of their (crappy) navigational menu.
Maybe so, but perhaps people not as close to the whole situation (such as myself) assume that the Blockbuster deal extends to online as well -- and the fact that HD DVD is not immediately visible there could confirm their error.

Whatever the case, it's an interesting situation to think about; clearly some factor or combination of factors is responsible for the disproportionately high ratio of HD DVD-to-Blu Ray rentals at Netflix, since in the time period citied in the report (June-August) that certainly wasn't the picture in retail sales.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
human5892 said:
Maybe so, but perhaps people not as close to the whole situation (such as myself) assume that the Blockbuster deal extends to online as well -- and the fact that HD DVD is not immediately visible there could confirm their error.

I'm not following, so they check online at BB, don't see HD DVD, don't bother to do what mana did, then go to Netflix, where NEITHER HD DVD nor Blu Ray is featured, but they CHECK there for HD DVD, and rent from there????

Both require the same effort to FIND the HD DVD titles.


Netflix is much better in that you can select either format and when you're renting, you don't have to go to "all editions" and select your format, it will automatically choose your high def format if its available for that title. But that's beside the point, since you're trying to explain how someone who has an HD DVD player would skip Blockbuster and go Netflix to skew numbers you don't think could happen naturally.

edit:

And if want to know why I think the ratio is that way for Netflix, I believe its because the Ps3 casual crowd (those who buy a one or two BR movies with their console but aren't big supporters) don't necessarily transfer into folks who go online and tailor their online accounts for high def media. Whereas an HD DVD supporter (having bought their player SPECIFICALLY for HD DVD) is more likely to actively search out for high def media, including incorporating it into their online movie rental service.

As far as Blockbuster, I'm pretty certain that the 2-1 sales ratio favoring BR that they cited for their payoff was composed of in-store rentals at the sites that carried both, where someone with a Ps3 looking to rent games will see Blu Ray movies and pick some up.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
VanMardigan said:
I'm not following, so they check online at BB, don't see HD DVD, don't bother to do what mana did, then go to Netflix, where NEITHER HD DVD nor Blu Ray is featured, but they CHECK there for HD DVD, and rent from there????

Both require the same effort to FIND the HD DVD titles.
I'm not imagining that scenario. I'm saying that perhaps there are a number of people like me who assumed that because of the Blockbuster/Blu Ray announcement, Blockbuster does not carry HD DVDs period. A cursory glance at the Blockbuster website would support this, if they wanted to double-check (which, again, is something that I did before my initial incorrect post). They'd then proceed to Netflix as the only other well-known online renting option and find the HD DVD collection there.

Your PS3 theory is a good one, too. I'm just putting out the possibility that perhaps some of the high HD DVD numbers on the Netflix side are from people who assumed that that was the only place they could go for their format. Especially when we're dealing with relatively small numbers of overall renters, even a handful of people under this misconception could make a significant difference in the end ratios.
 

Oni Jazar

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Pan's Labyrinth Blu-ray Announced

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=561

Posted October 4, 2007 by Josh

New Line Cinema New Line Home Entertainment has announced that they will bring the critically acclaimed film 'Pan's Labyrinth' to Blu-ray on December 26th. Video will be presented in 1.85:1 1080p, with Spanish 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio (with optional English subtitles). Extras include enhanced video commentary and everything from the 2-disc DVD release.

Following a bloody civil war, young Ofelia enters a world of unimaginable cruelty when she moves in with her new stepfather, a tyrannical military officer. Armed with only her imagination, Ofelia discovers a mysterious labyrinth and meets a faun who sets her on a path to saving herself and her ailing mother. But soon, the lines between fantasy and reality begin to blur, and before Ofelia can turn back, she finds herself at the center of a ferocious battle between good and evil.

Lots of movies coming out on the 26th.
 
I wonder who paid for the captive.com report? There may be valuable data missing that would also make the bigger picture clearer.

Or, perhaps this is a recent development.

Of, perhaps Netflix was paid off to make those statements about demand being equal.

I don't put a lot of weight on the report or any of my speculation above.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Or perhaps the "equal demand" line was just relative. When you rent millions of dvds, 32k vs. 16k is pretty darn irrelevant, wouldn't you say?

.3 percent? I don't think Netflix cares one way or another, and neither does Blockbuster. With those kind of numbers, they can easily continue to support HD DVD in their online service without breaking a sweat.
 
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