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[lupin23rd]

Oh wait, that's a Japanese HD-DVD presentation?

Oxymoron?

 

[Raistlin]

Robert at AVS mentioned another firmware update for the XA2. It really does seem like you're expecting too much from the low priced players.

Actually, I was hoping for a new high-end model that fixed some of the issues present in the XA2. Instead, the new ones are all based on what many would deem a broken player. >_<

Why are you worried about dvd upscaling if your Ps3 can do that? Or if it can't do it as well, why was that not a stumbling block for you when you bought it, but it is one now?

My PS3 purchase wasn't based on DVD playing ability ... especially considering I bought it before upscaling even existed on the platform (ie. launch).

For someone with your tastes, it seems like the XA2 is the way to go. But Toshiba can't win with you. If they had announced an XA3 at $599-$699, you wouldn't buy it cause it was too expensive, but the models that you would buy are missing the high end features you want.

If it appears the war is going to go on for quite a long time (I guess we'll see after Christmas?) ... price isn't really the issue here. As for Toshiba not getting it right, I guess you may be correct. It isn't just the extras ... some of the fundamentals (and with the G3 players, several fundamentals) aren't even there.

It seems like the conundrum Sony is facing on the gaming side. If they cut features to bring the price down, folks will get mad, but at the current price point, people (including me) are whining about the price.

As I said, price isn't necessarily the issue. Sure, I'd rather pay less ... but I'm willing to part with a reasonable amount of cash if the player does what I want.

Then again, I'm not sure why you assume that most of those issues can't be patched. You seem to have faith that the Ps3 will be patched to cover all the new BR specs, and Toshiba has been VERY good about firmware updates, including on gen 1 players.

It matters what model you are referring to. The XA2 may be patcheable for 23.976Hz DVD output. However, things like CUE can't be corrected in firmware. Its an inherent issue of the MPEG decoder. For the XA2 though, it is unlikely it will get many more patched ... so its a bit of a wait and see.

For the G3 players, the broken deinterlacing is something that can't be fixed. Basically, its sounds like they're poo ... unless you have a 24Hz TV right now, and don't give a shit about DVD.

PS3 ... I'm not assuming anything as far as updates. There are some that I think will come, but nothing is guaranteed. Regardless, its still the best for the price IMO. The image quality is great.

 

[Warm Machine]

I'd get all the movies on that Universal screen cap if the transfers are excellent.

 

[M3wThr33]

On a side note, what's the ratio between DVD+R and DVD-R?
I usually just buy +R because I had better burn success with this one brand.

 

[Stinkles]

Actually, I was hoping for a new high-end model that fixed some of the issues present in the XA2. Instead, the new ones are all based on what many would deem a broken player. >_<
.

LOL, you wouldn't buy an HD DVD player on a dare!

Was that a rhetorical statement?

 

[Raistlin]

LOL, you wouldn't buy an HD DVD player on a dare!

Was that a rhetorical statement?

Why do you say that?


I've been staunchly in the one-format-future group. However, I'm not stupid. If the writing ends up being on the wall that they'll both hang around (and HD DVD continues to have some exclusives) ... I'm not going to just sit around.


While I'm tempted to get an XA2 while still available, I think I'll wait until a quality universal comes out.

We'll have a better view of the landscape post-Christmas IMO.

 

[maharg]

Given an HD-DVD or Bluray player and a 720p120Hz tv, will the player output at 720p24? There's a lot of talk about 1080p24, but nothing seems to say whether or not 720p24 is output by any devices. Is it just taken for granted? Model dependent? Nonexistent?

 

[Stinkles]

We'll have a better view of the landscape post-Christmas IMO.

I guarantee it will still be a clusterfuck next Xmas.

Anyway, do what I do. Support movies, not formats. You will spend $300 on garbage this year easy - just get the HD DVD player with the free movies of your choice and support content - no matter which format wins, you'll have a superb collection of beautifully reproduced films.

You literally can't lose. That's cheaper than buying the movies alone.

 

[Raistlin]

Given an HD-DVD or Bluray player and a 720p120Hz tv, will the player output at 720p24? There's a lot of talk about 1080p24, but nothing seems to say whether or not 720p24 is output by any devices. Is it just taken for granted? Model dependent? Nonexistent?

I believe it is the last ... as I'm not aware of 720p24 being a spec any TV supports.


The question is, does your TV accept 1080p24?

 

[CajoleJuice]

No, it isn't. But this shit is sooooooooo good. Just pick a side and jump in, or get both like I did. If you pick one format and it loses, by the time it happens you'll be able to buy the other player for dirt cheap.

I probably would've gotten the 360 HD-DVD add-on by now if I had an HDTV.

 

[Raistlin]

I guarantee it will still be a clusterfuck next Xmas.

Probably. It's possible some megatons could happen though. Who knows.

Anyway, do what I do. Support movies, not formats.

I always have ... and that's why I've been part of the one-format brigade. IMO, it makes the likelyhood of HD media success MUCH higher. I choose BluRay for that reason. It appeared (and still does) to have the best chance of success.

If however, a stalemate appears to be the reality ... I'm not going to simply 'go without'.

You will spend $300 on garbage this year easy - just get the HD DVD player with the free movies of your choice and support content - no matter which format wins, you'll have a superb collection of beautifully reproduced films.

You literally can't lose. That's cheaper than buying the movies alone.

Believe me ... I'm pretty tempted to just purchase one of the lower units. However, I'm an A/Vphile ... so I'd rather pay the extra cash to get a unit that meets my specs

 

[Stinkles]

My PS3 is my most flexible and fastest booting HD player. But My XA2 and my Pioneer Blu Ray both have nicer image quality. Audio is a wash.

Embrace the dark side.

 

[Raistlin]

My PS3 is my most flexible and fastest booting HD player. But My XA2 and my Pioneer Blu Ray both have nicer image quality. Audio is a wash.

Embrace the dark side.

Out of curiosity, what do you find better about the Pioneer? I've read mixed impressions when comparing them.

 

[Stinkles]

Out of curiosity, what do you find better about the Pioneer? I've read mixed impressions when comparing them.

At this point, it's subjective. I just like the way it looks on screen. I like that it boots faster than the old one, and I like the audio options (RCA) I have.


I would like the networking stuff if I used it, but ah don't.

Somebody comes up with a way to get the PS3 working with my Tivo Series 3 wins a special prize.

 

[maharg]

I believe it is the last ... as I'm not aware of 720p24 being a spec any TV supports.


The question is, does your TV accept 1080p24?

And then downconvert it?

Hm. The manual is ambiguous on that question, giving that it's a shared manual for a 1080p model as well. (Mine is LG 42LB4D, 42LB5D is the same but 1080p but without 120Hz)

I just tried having my mythbox output at 1920x1080 and it seemed to reject it and move back down to 1366x768. I guess that's the answer.

 

[Raistlin]

And then downconvert it?

Hm. The manual is ambiguous on that question, giving that it's a shared manual for a 1080p model as well. (Mine is LG 42LB4D, 42LB5D is the same but 1080p but without 120Hz)

I just tried having my mythbox output at 1920x1080 and it seemed to reject it and move back down to 1366x768. I guess that's the answer.

I know plenty of current non-1080p HDTV's will accept 1080p and downconvert ... but not sure about 1080p24

 

[Argyle]

I know plenty of current non-1080p HDTV's will accept 1080p and downconvert ... but not sure about 1080p24

I have a projector (Panasonic AX-100) that is 720p but will take a 1080p24 signal. I don't know how many TVs will take it but it's possible...as you pointed out, there's no standard for 720p24...

 

[Dot50Cal]

Finished watching Evil Dead 2 and Dawn of the Dead. I have to say I was a bit disappointed with Evil Dead 2, it was often times out of focus and not very sharp. Though it is an upgrade over the dvd (that really goes without saying). I cant say I was too surprised, the movie was fairly low budget.

Dawn on the other hand blew me away. Really great looking, almost always in focus and crisp. Very awesome! I have yet to check out Day of the Dead but if Dawn is any indication I don't think there is anything to worry about!

 

[Captain N]

I can see Transformers taking the week of October 16th. Nothing that big comes out this Tuesday and I don't see The Invisible taking that spot. I highly doubt that Knocked up and Evan Almighty will be taking the number 1 spot from Transformers.

Anyone else think it's a smart move for them to release this movie two weeks before Spider-Man 3? I'm pretty sure it's the whole reason they are releasing it so early.

 

[djkimothy]

Blu-ray super drive replacement program from FastMac for Apple laptops.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/05/fastmac/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

FastMac has introduced its 2x Blu-ray Disc “SuperDrive.” The drive is a slimline, slot-loading model designed to serve as a replacement to the internal optical drive included on slot-loading Mac laptops and desktops. It costs $999.95.

The drive is compatible with the following Mac models: iBook G4, iMac G5, iMac Intel, MacBook Pro 17-inch, Mac mini, PowerBook G3 “Pismo”, PowerBook G4 “Titanium” and PowerBook G4 “Aluminum.”

The device is aimed at users who need to store huge amounts of data on removable discs. The drive can write up to 50GB of data on a single dual-layer Blu-Ray Disc. It’s also compatible with all CD and DVD media, and operates as an 8x DVD+/-RW drive. It can write 2x BD-RE and 2x BD-R media.

 

[Chiggs]

I cannot believe how well the PS3 upscales DVD's. I was watching To Live and Die in LA last night on my new PS3, and wow...

 

[djkimothy]

I cannot believe how well the PS3 upscales DVD's. I was watching To Live and Die in LA last night on my new PS3, and wow...

Same here. It's a good transition until HD becomes mainstream. Hopefully Blu-ray.

Lost season 1 looks pretty good and the LOTR, Matrix and Star Wars films all look 'adequate' in upscaled form.

 

[VanMardigan]

It's tough for me to watch dvds on my 57" DLP unless I have to. I rather watch them on my 30" CRT (on which everything looks fantastic).

Even BR exclusive movies I'd rather wait to see if I get a Ps3 this year rather than rent the dvd. Now that I know even old catalog titles like Goodfellas and Trading Places look miles better on HD, its tough for me to settle for dvd.

That's why I feel I have to go format neutral. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how someone used to the fantastic IQ of HD discs would settle on watching Transformers on dvd. Its inconceivable unless you just lack the funds. I've said this a million times, but if there was a Blu Ray player in the same pricepoints as the HD DVD's like the A30 and A3, I'd jump on it like a crackhead on crack. I'm just so in love with HD media at this point.

 

[Days like these...]

I can see Transformers taking the week of October 16th. Nothing that big comes out this Tuesday and I don't see The Invisible taking that spot. I highly doubt that Knocked up and Evan Almighty will be taking the number 1 spot from Transformers.

Anyone else think it's a smart move for them to release this movie two weeks before Spider-Man 3? I'm pretty sure it's the whole reason they are releasing it so early.

I'm not so sure it would make much of a difference it's not like people are going to buy Spiderman instead of Transformers or vice versa as they are both mutually exclusive. I'll tell you what is not a smart move Warner releasing The Reaping the same day Transformers is released. I'm really looking forward to The Reaping to bad its gonna get lost in Transformers hype.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

Even though the Reaping was a terrible movie, I'd probably support it before Transformers simply because Warner took a chance with that rockin' artwork.

 

[Days like these...]

Even though the Reaping was a terrible movie, I'd probably support it before Transformers simply because Warner took a chance with that rockin' artwork.

Terrible? I didnt get a chance to see it. I'm still buying it along with Transformers. Is The Reaping as bad as 1408?

 

[Captain N]

I'm not so sure it would make much of a difference it's not like people are going to buy Spiderman instead of Transformers or vice versa as they are both mutually exclusive. I'll tell you what is not a smart move Warner releasing The Reaping the same day Transformers is released. I'm really looking forward to The Reaping to bad its gonna get lost in Transformers hype.

Well I guess I kind of meant the reason they are releasing it on dvd as well before it comes before Spider-Man 3 comes out.

Anyone think we'll ever see a movie come out on Blu Ray or HD DVD before the dvd release?

 

[captive]

Oh man i just caught the end of Revenge of the Sith on HBO HD, god i had seriously forgotten how horrible of an actor whoever it was that played Anikin, fuckin stab me in the eye now.
Those movies could have been so much more.


Also i saw an ad for 28 weeks later, FOX didnt even say "on dvd and hi def" or "blu-ray" didnt even have the blu-ray logo at the end.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Also i saw an ad for 28 weeks later, FOX didnt even say "on dvd and hi def" or "blu-ray" didnt even have the blu-ray logo at the end.

I've seen multiple Fantastic Four ads and haven't seen them mention or show blu-ray once.

I did see a Disney specific Blu-ray ad showing Pirates 3, Cars, and Ratatouille.

 

[mollipen]

Anyway, do what I do. Support movies, not formats. You will spend $300 on garbage this year easy - just get the HD DVD player with the free movies of your choice and support content - no matter which format wins, you'll have a superb collection of beautifully reproduced films.

But if everybody supports both formats, then neither will ever win, and I simply cannot be one of the people who believe that a two-format future can be good, or even work, in any way, shape, or form. There are some HD-DVDs that I would absolutely love to have (well, once I get my HDTV), but I absolutely refuse to get an HD-DVD player unless it is the format that "wins," since I already have a PS3 and thus I'm in the Blu-ray camp.

I think that if you do support movies, in this case, you HAVE to support one format or the other. Consumers needs to pick a side, and through that, the companies need to see which side gets the most consumer support. Make a decision, and cut the losses early (early in terms of the overall timeframe of HD media). If everybody (consumer wise) goes format neutral, I just can't see how it's going to make things better in the future instead of worse.

I know, DVD+R/DVD-R or whatever example somebody might want to bring up, but that isn't a comparison that can be made.

 

[The Main Event]

Amazon, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, Target in Top 5

OCT. 5 | Best Buy has emerged as the leading retailer of Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD titles by a wide margin, easily topping DVD-dominant Wal-Mart, according to the NPD Group.

Wal-Mart carries a third-place share of the high-definition software market, followed by Circuit City and Target. Amazon.com sits in second.

NPD declined to report specific unit sales shares for each of the retailers but noted that Best Buy is far in front. Amazon.com and the rest are mostly clustered together for the second through fifth spots.

Best Buy’s fanboy and fangirl consumer base, coupled with its commitment to customer service, has boosted the chain’s high-def performance, said Brian Lucas, spokesman for the chain.

“We generally have an audience that loves movies, where they are not casual fans, and these people are likely to have a great home theater experience,” said Lucas. “As one of the market leaders in HDTV sales, our customers tend to understand high-def more than the average consumer.”

Lucas noted that Best Buy’s ‘blue-shirt’ staff regularly talk to customers about the incompatibility between Blu-ray and HD DVD, and he said that honesty has encouraged consumer interest in high-def.

Similarly, Amazon.com management chalks up its high-def market strength to its informational approach to merchandising.

“There has been much written in recent days about customer confusion surrounding high-definition,” Amazon.com spokeswoman Tammy Hovey said. “In order to address this need and ensure that our customers can make the best educated buying decisions, we’ve recently opened the Hi-Def 101 Customer Knowledge Center. Hi-Def 101 is a one-stop education and shopping destination that allows visitors to explore a comprehensive lineup of high-def categories, including HDTVs, movie players, game systems, PC options, accessories and movies, while getting the facts on how to ‘high-def’ their homes.”

Also, since the launch of Blu-ray and HD DVD last year, Best Buy has steadily opened up more shelf space to high-def. With its virtual shelves, Amazon.com boasts one of the most extensive selections of Blu-ray and HD DVD, as well.

Both Best Buy and Amazon.com also have frequently rolled out high-def promotions, further underscoring their Blu-ray and HD DVD offerings. Best Buy shoppers can score nine free HD DVDs with purchase of the $399 Toshiba player. At Amazon.com, customers can now get seven HD DVDs and seven Blu-ray titles for free with purchase of certain accompanying players.

 

[Captain N]

what's everyone picking up this week? October 9th

I want pretty much everything this weekend.

Buy List

Reign Over Me
Surf's Up
Evan Almighty (Combo)

Christmas List

RoboCop
Edward Scissorhands
28 Days Later
28 Weeks Later
The Fly
From Hell

I might pick up a fourth one and if I do..it'll likely be Edward Scissorhands if I do get another one.

 

[VanMardigan]

I'll pick up Evan Almighty. I went with my wife, my nephew, and my brother and we all enjoyed it.

 

[lupin23rd]

This week I'll be picking up 28 Weeks Later, and MAYBE 28 Days Later to go along with it.

I think next week will be Troy as it still isn't out here in Canada to my knowledge.

 

[maharg]

But if everybody supports both formats, then neither will ever win, and I simply cannot be one of the people who believe that a two-format future can be good, or even work, in any way, shape, or form. There are some HD-DVDs that I would absolutely love to have (well, once I get my HDTV), but I absolutely refuse to get an HD-DVD player unless it is the format that "wins," since I already have a PS3 and thus I'm in the Blu-ray camp.

I think that if you do support movies, in this case, you HAVE to support one format or the other. Consumers needs to pick a side, and through that, the companies need to see which side gets the most consumer support. Make a decision, and cut the losses early (early in terms of the overall timeframe of HD media). If everybody (consumer wise) goes format neutral, I just can't see how it's going to make things better in the future instead of worse.

I know, DVD+R/DVD-R or whatever example somebody might want to bring up, but that isn't a comparison that can be made.

Meh, there's already a hybrid player for $800. It's a shitty player, for sure, but it demonstrates the possibility. If this endures, it's only a matter of time before hybrids become the norm.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Meh, there's already a hybrid player for $800. It's a shitty player, for sure, but it demonstrates the possibility. If this endures, it's only a matter of time before hybrids become the norm.

If by "the norm" you mean, "horribly niche as it more or less is now" then maybe, but the mass public will not adopt to a dual HDM format.

 

[VanMardigan]

If by "the norm" you mean, "horribly niche as it more or less is now" then maybe, but the mass public will not adopt to a dual HDM format.

Keep telling yourself that if that's what it takes for you to rationalize not going dual format. I don't see why dual format players can't take off. They're horribly expensive right now, but the audience just isn't there for them anyway at this point. They'll mature the same way standalones have, just on a slower curve.

Honestly now I don't see why all the doom and gloom by the BD folks. I haven't seen an HD DVD fan bemoaning the supposed impending doom of HD media. If HD discs go the way of the dodo, it'll be for a ton of reasons, two formats being one of them. And if so, the studios and CE manufacturers themselves will be to blame. As a consumer, I'm getting falling hardware prices and more and more titles. I'm not sure where you guys expected this market to be at this point, but as a consumer, I'm happy with software availability and the only thing I'm upset about is the price of BD hardware.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Finished watching Evil Dead 2 and Dawn of the Dead. I have to say I was a bit disappointed with Evil Dead 2, it was often times out of focus and not very sharp. Though it is an upgrade over the dvd (that really goes without saying). I cant say I was too surprised, the movie was fairly low budget.

Dawn on the other hand blew me away. Really great looking, almost always in focus and crisp. Very awesome! I have yet to check out Day of the Dead but if Dawn is any indication I don't think there is anything to worry about!

The Dawn Blu-Ray is good? I've been meaning to make this my first Blu-Ray purchase, but I have been very cautious about lower-priority films and their transfers to HD.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Keep telling yourself that if that's what it takes for you to rationalize not going dual format. I don't see why dual format players can't take off. They're horribly expensive right now, but the audience just isn't there for them anyway at this point. They'll mature the same way standalones have, just on a slower curve.

Honestly now I don't see why all the doom and gloom by the BD folks. I haven't seen an HD DVD fan bemoaning the supposed impending doom of HD media. If HD discs go the way of the dodo, it'll be for a ton of reasons, two formats being one of them. And if so, the studios and CE manufacturers themselves will be to blame. As a consumer, I'm getting falling hardware prices and more and more titles. I'm not sure where you guys expected this market to be at this point, but as a consumer, I'm happy with software availability and the only thing I'm upset about is the price of BD hardware.

Agree to disagree but I think it's you who is rationalizing that a dual HD market can succeed by backing the one that is straggling behind. People don't care about HDM and unless there is a unified message of "buy this, it's the next DVD", it will always be niche and it will be lucky if it reaches Laserdisc niche. The sales numbers are pathetic and the real sad thing is that they haven't been growing. If it doesn't change by 08 then you may see what we all saw with UMD.

 

[VanMardigan]

Agree to disagree but I think it's you who is rationalizing that a dual HD market can succeed by backing the one that is straggling behind.

I chose to back HD DVD because its the only affordable avenue right now. Don't blame me if Sony and all their CE support can't push the price barrier down while Toshiba can bring HD DVD down to a level where I didn't have to juggle around my personal finances to enjoy HD content. And once here, I found a format with complete specs, next generation IQ/AQ, next generation extras, and next generation interactivity. Excuse me if I don't feel like waiting for the Blu Ray companies to get their act together.

People don't care about HDM and unless there is a unified message of "buy this, it's the next DVD", it will always be niche and it will be lucky if it reaches Laserdisc niche.

Both formats will sell more discs and hardware units than Laserdisc. Dvd? I don't think they ever had a chance, and it's not just because of two formats.

The sales numbers are pathetic and the real sad thing is that they haven't been growing. If it doesn't change by 08 then you may see what we all saw with UMD.

And you'll have nobody but Sony and Toshiba to blame. They're the greedy idiots that couldn't reach a compromise. They're the competitors that forced movie studios to pick a side while they hatched their incompatible formats.

I won't play those games, I just want HD media. If it means having two players until the dual format players come down in price, then so be it. Neither you nor I can decide this retarded format war so we might as well maximize our investment in all that expensive AV equipment by being format neutral and enjoying the releases that we DO get regardless of studio, regardless of format. Let Sony and Toshiba bleed money and hopefully this stupid mistake won't be committed again.

It's still early too, and if they were smart they'd do what I said last page:

That Sony and Toshiba should just re-brand both formats into one (Blu HD?) and sell dual format players under that banner.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

The ironic thing about your position is that you back HD-DVD like you've invested tens of thousands into the format.

 

[captive]

Man someone is knee deep in the cool-aid, i just threw up a little in my mouth reading that crap.

 

[mollipen]

Meh, there's already a hybrid player for $800. It's a shitty player, for sure, but it demonstrates the possibility. If this endures, it's only a matter of time before hybrids become the norm.

The problem is, a hybrid player works great for the people who own it, not so great for anybody who owns a Blu-ray or HD-DVD player. If both formats were to sell about evenly, then you'd have a situation where companies can just continue to support only one side or the other, and consumers are forced to either pick up a hybrid or pick up machines for both.

I think that if we want movies on HD disc (in one or both formats) to at all reach a level of serious market penetration, and not just be a niche product like LD was, then it has to be like DVD: one format, when you buy a disc you know it'll work in ANY player, end of story. Unless 100% of players that are sold on the market are hybrids, then things are going to be an absolute mess for consumers unless one of the two formats bows out.

 

[SRG01]

My God, it's heating up again! Quick, someone get the popcorn for bish.

 

[Days like these...]

Man someone is knee deep in the cool-aid, i just threw up a little in my mouth reading that crap.

Superb counter point to Van's poisition I must say. Bravo old chap.

 

[Costanza]

The Dawn Blu-Ray is good? I've been meaning to make this my first Blu-Ray purchase, but I have been very cautious about lower-priority films and their transfers to HD.

Just watched it. Looks fantastic for a 30 year old movie and is definitely worth a purchase. I think I'm gonna pick up Day today.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

I chose to back HD DVD because its the only affordable avenue right now. Don't blame me if Sony and all their CE support can't push the price barrier down while Toshiba can bring HD DVD down to a level where I didn't have to juggle around my personal finances to enjoy HD content. And once here, I found a format with complete specs, next generation IQ/AQ, next generation extras, and next generation interactivity. Excuse me if I don't feel like waiting for the Blu Ray companies to get their act together.



Both formats will sell more discs and hardware units than Laserdisc. Dvd? I don't think they ever had a chance, and it's not just because of two formats.



And you'll have nobody but Sony and Toshiba to blame. They're the greedy idiots that couldn't reach a compromise. They're the competitors that forced movie studios to pick a side while they hatched their incompatible formats.

I won't play those games, I just want HD media. If it means having two players until the dual format players come down in price, then so be it. Neither you nor I can decide this retarded format war so we might as well maximize our investment in all that expensive AV equipment by being format neutral and enjoying the releases that we DO get regardless of studio, regardless of format. Let Sony and Toshiba bleed money and hopefully this stupid mistake won't be committed again.

It's still early too, and if they were smart they'd do what I said last page:

That Sony and Toshiba should just re-brand both formats into one (Blu HD?) and sell dual format players under that banner.

This post probably makes to much sense.

 

[Captain N]

I plan on picking up a computer with a Blu Ray Drive in it and was wondering if anyone had any luck playing HD DVDs with the 360 Add on drive for the PC. I heard you can actually use it.

 

[captive]

Superb counter point to Van's poisition I must say. Bravo old chap.

the counter points have already been made, only van seems to think we live in fantasy land where everyone is going to buy more expensive dual format players and just be happy with two formats. Sorry, Its. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Arent there some PS3 threads in the gaming sections for yout o be trolling?

PS he cant read my posts so why am i even going to bother to counterpoint? /eyeroll

 

[VanMardigan]

I plan on picking up a computer with a Blu Ray Drive in it and was wondering if anyone had any luck playing HD DVDs with the 360 Add on drive for the PC. I heard you can actually use it.

My pc isn't robust enough to handle it, but here's a page that talks about it. Seems absurdly easy to do.