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[Cheebs]

So I just won Weeds S1&2 on ebay for $50 and it should be here by the end of the week. Having never seen an episode I only bid becuase I had an extra $57.29 in my paypal account (which was also my max bid). What's the show like? I heard it was good but I really know next to nothing about it.

Weeds is my favorite show on TV right now. HILARIOUS.

Watch this clip from it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FWzOQTFwRBE

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Thing is, I *really* don't care who wins. I only bought into BluRay becuase it looked like a relative lock, and the PS3 made it a value choice. I'd gladly start my HDM collection over if it meant all studios on one format.

 

[Oni Jazar]

I find the "I don't care who wins

Spoiler

as long as its bluray

guys" hilarious. I want HD DVD to win. Why? cause I own a player at least I'm not feigning like I don't really care. having said that if Blu Ray wins will I jump in? No question.

Why do you find that so hard to believe? I hate having to argue with fellow HD movie lovers. It's nice when someone comes in here lauding DVD or digital downloads we all come together to bash him out of the thread. The HD DVD player prices are peanuts to me and I'd gladly jump on that if it won.

 

[StoOgE]

when did this thread turn into a BRD fanboy moaning fest...

WAAAHH why wont HDDVD go away.. WAAAAHH

 

[Oni Jazar]

when did this thread turn into a BRD fanboy moaning fest...

WAAAHH why wont HDDVD go away.. WAAAAHH

I'd say it's a valid question since HD DVD has been shut out of disc sales every week of the year. It will probably get the week of Transformers and if it's lucky the week after that but then it'll be back to a Blu-ray year.

 

[StoOgE]

I'd say it's a valid question since HD DVD has been shut out of disc sales every week of the year. It will probably get the week of Transformers and if it's lucky the week after that but then it'll be back to a Blu-ray year.

yeah, and before that BRD was getting shut out of disc sales every week. The difference in sales numbers is about 10K a week on a week when BRD absolutely "dominates" HDDVD. Ya'll act like BRD is outselling HDDVD by 100K a day or something.

This is business, one group isnt going to commit sepeku to make you feel better about your purchase.

Maybe I should go into the gaming forum and post about how the PS3 should close up shop because its keeping HD games on the 360 from reaching their true potential. See how far that gets me.

 

[Days like these...]

yeah, and before that BRD was getting shut out of disc sales every week. The difference in sales numbers is about 10K a week on a week when BRD absolutely "dominates" HDDVD. Ya'll act like BRD is outselling HDDVD by 100K a day or something.

This is business, one group isnt going to commit sepeku to make you feel better about your purchase.

Maybe I should go into the gaming forum and post about how the PS3 should close up shop because its keeping HD games on the 360 from reaching their true potential. See how far that gets me.

In before 2 totally different situations apples to oranges you can't compare the two

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

In before truth?

Hey, if there could be a one-console future that had as open a licensing scheme as DVD has had, I'd be all for it. The business model didn't evolve that way, and we as game fans have had to go without or purchanse multiple platforms for decades now. You want that to spread to other media? Really?

It's already annoying in the music world. DO you know people who bought a WMA players *and* an iPod so they could buy music online from any service? No? Then why do you think people should do the same thing for movies?

 

[StoOgE]

In before truth?

Hey, if there could be a one-console future that had as open a licensing scheme as DVD has had, I'd be all for it. The business model didn't evolve that way, and we as game fans have had to go without or purchanse multiple platforms for decades now. You want that to spread to other media? Really?

It's already annoying in the music world. DO you know people who bought a WMA players *and* an iPod so they could buy music online from any service? No? Then why do you think people should do the same thing for movies?

I agree. Why dont you write the BDA and ask them to stop making movies so HDDVD can win. 1 format future.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I agree. Why dont you write the BDA and ask them to stop making movies so HDDVD can win. 1 format future.

If I thought it would make a difference, I would.

One reason why I think BD has had the advantage is that Sony is closely tied to the format *and* is a content provider. That makes then intrinsicly more stubborn than even Universal.

 

[StoOgE]

If I thought it would make a difference, I would.

One reason why I think BD has had the advantage is that Sony is closely tied to the format *and* is a content provider. That makes then intrinsicly more stubborn than even Universal.

this is true. BRD would have to be completely and totally dead before columbia would ever release anything on HDDVD. Universal, being the head of the HDDVD promotions group is obviously a strong backer of HDDVD.. but ultimitely they would be much more willing to leave the HDDVD group than Sony ever would to leave BRD.

Ultimitely it doesnt matter, all the sour graps in the world isnt going to make HDDVD go away. They have a 40% marketshare, and two major studios exclusive.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to be on the sour grapes bandwagon, I took issue with Days' statement about people who want one format.

I'm past my initial ire about Paramount, now I'm just waiting. Yes, I realize that Universal will be hard to move.

 

[ghostmind]

I'm in the camp of not caring who "wins" and who goes away - either format is viable and I am willing to invest in either, but I'm not going to play this game any longer until this stupidity is over. My HDTV has an excellent scaler, so I may be losing some resolution, but it's not that bad... fuck this war.

 

[Days like these...]

In before truth?

Hey, if there could be a one-console future that had as open a licensing scheme as DVD has had, I'd be all for it. The business model didn't evolve that way, and we as game fans have had to go without or purchanse multiple platforms for decades now. You want that to spread to other media? Really?

It's already annoying in the music world. DO you know people who bought a WMA players *and* an iPod so they could buy music online from any service? No? Then why do you think people should do the same thing for movies?

I'm not saying you should support 2 different HD formats unless of course you want to. I do find the arguement a little odd to want one side (hd dvd) to capitulate for the good of blah... blah... blah... one format future. Then turn around and say it's (2 formats) ok in gaming cause well... it's always been like that? Doesn't seem like a very good reason to me at all. I was just touching on stooge's point about the ps3 closing shop. Anyways I'm not stirring up this shitstorm again just clarifying my point.

 

[Stinkles]

when did this thread turn into a BRD fanboy moaning fest...

WAAAHH why wont HDDVD go away.. WAAAAHH

You read the thread title right (sans mod changes)?

This thread is not called, "Intelligent HD Format discussion,"

and there hasn't been any either.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'm not saying two or more formats is OK in gaming. I'm saying that it is what it is, and I don't want that to happen with HD media too.

The major distinction on the Console side is the control of content. There's no governing body that says what can and cannot be released on DVD. If that were true on the console side, then a one-console standard would make sense. I'm theoretically pro one-console world, and always have been (or alternately, publishers publishing for all formats, no exclusives even on first party stuff). Same is true for HD media. If there were no exlcusives, I would not care one whit if there was one format or 10-- as long as I could pick any one and get my movies.

I'm the guy who, in my Usenet days, applauded when Sony, via internal politics, ended up releasing a first-party game (Wipeout) on competing consoles. I owned only a PS at the time. I liked that more people would have access to one of the best games of that generation.

In the pre-NES days, before the (awful) console business model we know today got on its feet, Atari actually published its top games for competing consoles and computers. They created the Atarisoft label, and they put their games out on Coleocovision, Intellivision, Apple II, Commodore 64, etc. Other console makers did this as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atarisoft

I really wish that could happen again. But it won't. I certainly hope that the balkanization of the console market doesn't become the model for HD media. It will forever remain niche if that happens.

Believe it or not, not everyone is invested in system wars for the benefit of some corporation they hold loyal to.

 

[VanMardigan]

I think the more people go neutral, the better off this thread will be.

 

[captive]

So I just won Weeds S1&2 on ebay for $50 and it should be here by the end of the week. Having never seen an episode I only bid becuase I had an extra $57.29 in my paypal account (which was also my max bid). What's the show like? I heard it was good but I really know next to nothing about it.

You could have gotten them both brand new on Amazon for 47 dollars... Season 1 is 19 and season 2 is 27.

im probably going to buy them.

 

[captive]

and there hasn't been any either.

Yes there has.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Stinkles is just doing his "I'm better than all of this, and you" routine that he pops in with every few months.

 

[Stinkles]

Stinkles is just doing his "I'm better than all of this, and you" routine that he pops in with every few months.

Only because I am better than all of this and you.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Thanks for letting us know!

 

[StoOgE]

Only because I am better than all of this and you.

stop posting in this thread and start porting Halo 2 maps.

My monies, please take them.

 

[Wulfer]

If I thought it would make a difference, I would.

One reason why I think BD has had the advantage is that Sony is closely tied to the format *and* is a content provider. That makes then intrinsicly more stubborn than even Universal.

So, let's get this straight you’re in Blu-ray’s camp because Sony owns its own studio (and added MGM to its growing catalog last gen) correct? WoW I don’t want to here any of you ever speak down about Paramount ever again! You’ll talk bad about a studio that takes payment to change sides but, if one studio (Sony here) buys other studios to force the Media medium market into their chosen format, that’s ok right. WoW what irony we have in this thread! Truly amazing…. Afterall, no studio has ever wanted to control the other studios! Bite your tongue at such a thought, I mean the movie industry would just implode with such thinking.

 

[captive]

It takes real skill to extrapolate and generalize one blu-ray supporters comments about movie studios to all blu-ray supporters.
Today we salute you Wulfer, real man of genius, without you Van would have to feign more outrage at blu-ray supporters.

 

[Forsete]

So what movies are coming out on BD this month? Studio listing would be nice since it tells me if the movies are import friendly or not.

 

[ManaByte]

So what movies are coming out on BD this month? Studio listing would be nice since it tells me if the movies are import friendly or not.

October 09, 2007

* 28 Days Later (Blu-ray)
* 28 Weeks Later (Blu-ray)
* Edward Scissorhands (Blu-ray)
* Evan Almighty (HD DVD)
* The Fly (1986) (Blu-ray)
* From Hell (Blu-ray)
* Nature's Journey (Blu-ray)
* Reign Over Me (Blu-ray)
* RoboCop (Blu-ray)
* Surf's Up (Blu-ray)
* Twilight Zone: The Movie (Blu-ray)
* Twilight Zone: The Movie (HD DVD)

October 16, 2007

* AC/DC: Live at Donington (Blu-ray)
* Hollow Man (Director's Cut) (Blu-ray)
* The Invisible (Blu-ray)
* Masters of Horror: Season One - Vol. One (Blu-ray)
* Masters of Horror: Season One - Volume Two (Blu-ray)
* A Mighty Heart (HD DVD)
* The Reaping (Blu-ray)
* The Reaping (HD DVD)
* Return to House on Haunted Hill (Blu-ray)
* Return to House on Haunted Hill (HD DVD)
* Transformers (HD DVD)

October 23, 2007

* 2001: A Space Odyssey (Blu-ray)
* 2001: A Space Odyssey (HD DVD)
* Carlito's Way (HD DVD)
* Carlito's Way: Rise to Power (HD DVD)
* A Clockwork Orange (Blu-ray)
* A Clockwork Orange (HD DVD)
* The Company (2007) (Blu-ray)
* Eyes Wide Shut (Blu-ray)
* Eyes Wide Shut (HD DVD)
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition (Blu-ray)
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition (HD DVD)
* The Hills Have Eyes 2 (2007) (Blu-ray)
* Home of the Brave (Blu-ray)
* Hostel (Director's Cut) (Blu-ray)
* Hostel: Part II (Blu-ray)
* Inside Man (HD DVD)
* The Jack Ryan Collection (HD DVD)
* Keali'i Reichel - Live in Concert (HD DVD)
* King of New York (Blu-ray)
* Meet the Robinsons (Blu-ray)
* Motorhead: Stage Fright (HD DVD)
* Mr. Brooks (Blu-ray)
* Scary Movie (Blu-ray)
* Seed of Chucky (HD DVD)
* The Shining (1980) (Blu-ray)
* The Shining (1980) (HD DVD)
* The Sopranos: Season Six, Part Two (Blu-ray)
* The Sopranos: Season Six, Part Two (HD DVD)

 

[Costanza]

Anyone know where I can import the Spiderman set from? Dvdcrave is sold out.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The only complaint you heard from me about Paramount was being angry that it was (IMHO) a short-sighted solution, and lamenting that it prolonged the war. I've never argued for moral high ground among corporations here. I understood that it meant money to them.

I'm not all that excited that Sown owns both content and format (effectively). I'd just as soon have it be some other party. But my support has always gone not to some idealist notion of who *should* win, but rather who I think *will* win. Sony had itself, and also the notoriously stubborn Fox and Disney, so I figured they had it-- HD-DVD had (at the time) only Universal as exclusive.

All you holdouts from the Gaming System Wars have a hard time understanding or believing that. This is not the same thing.

 

[ManaByte]

I'm not saying two or more formats is OK in gaming. I'm saying that it is what it is, and I don't want that to happen with HD media too.

The major distinction on the Console side is the control of content. There's no governing body that says what can and cannot be released on DVD. If that were true on the console side, then a one-console standard would make sense. I'm theoretically pro one-console world, and always have been (or alternately, publishers publishing for all formats, no exclusives even on first party stuff). Same is true for HD media. If there were no exlcusives, I would not care one whit if there was one format or 10-- as long as I could pick any one and get my movies.

I'm the guy who, in my Usenet days, applauded when Sony, via internal politics, ended up releasing a first-party game (Wipeout) on competing consoles. I owned only a PS at the time. I liked that more people would have access to one of the best games of that generation.

In the pre-NES days, before the (awful) console business model we know today got on its feet, Atari actually published its top games for competing consoles and computers. They created the Atarisoft label, and they put their games out on Coleocovision, Intellivision, Apple II, Commodore 64, etc. Other console makers did this as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atarisoft

I really wish that could happen again. But it won't. I certainly hope that the balkanization of the console market doesn't become the model for HD media. It will forever remain niche if that happens.

Believe it or not, not everyone is invested in system wars for the benefit of some corporation they hold loyal to.

You can't fucking be serious? Really? You want the 1980-1984 console business model to return? Helloooooo...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

Unlike Nintendo, Sega, Sony, or Microsoft in later decades, the hardware manufacturers had lost the exclusive control of their platform’s supply of games. With it they had lost the ability to make sure that the toy stores were never overloaded with products.

Yes, the pre-crash business model was SO much better than what we have now. [/sarcasm] [/rolleyes]

 

[Costanza]

hmm, ships on the 15th and even with priority shipping its still cheaper than amazon US

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000TYV3C6/

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Mana, I was there, I know. But mature buying and publishing practices would solve that today. Y'know, like not making more copies of a game than you have systems in circulation, that sort of thing.

Also, I realize that it's not anywhere close to possible with the way that the business has evolved. However, that time was also an unparalleled era of creativity and cariety (given technical constraints) in console gaming.

 

[Wulfer]

Man someone is knee deep in the cool-aid, i just threw up a little in my mouth reading that crap.

This was my favorite post by you trying to slam Van you just needed to add Blu in front on the cool-aid to make it appropriate, considering Van post was spot on!

[I chose to back HD DVD because its the only affordable avenue right now. Don't blame me if Sony and all their CE support can't push the price barrier down while Toshiba can bring HD DVD down to a level where I didn't have to juggle around my personal finances to enjoy HD content. And once here, I found a format with complete specs, next generation IQ/AQ, next generation extras, and next generation interactivity. Excuse me if I don't feel like waiting for the Blu Ray companies to get their act together.

Couldn't agree more I'd perfer a locked spec please!

Both formats will sell more discs and hardware units than Laserdisc. Dvd? I don't think they ever had a chance, and it's not just because of two formats.

Again Studios have sunk too much money to let these ships sink now. Laserdiscs never got this shot.

And you'll have nobody but Sony and Toshiba to blame. They're the greedy idiots that couldn't reach a compromise. They're the competitors that forced movie studios to pick a side while they hatched their incompatible formats.

Sorry, I couldn't agree more and Sony didn't even try to head it off. They've had this our way of nothing attitude from the beginning. (Universal is not exempt from this either.)

I won't play those games, I just want HD media. If it means having two players until the dual format players come down in price, then so be it. Neither you nor I can decide this retarded format war so we might as well maximize our investment in all that expensive AV equipment by being format neutral and enjoying the releases that we DO get regardless of studio, regardless of format. Let Sony and Toshiba bleed money and hopefully this stupid mistake won't be committed again.

These words are so, true. Thanks for the cheap players this go around, I'm sure that wasn't apart of either of your plans in the beginning.

It's still early too, and if they were smart they'd do what I said last page:

That Sony and Toshiba should just re-brand both formats into one (Blu HD?) and sell dual format players under that banner.

AKA Sony shut your pie hole about we've won the format war. You look like fools and on top of that just because it worked for the PS2 doesn't mean it'll work for the movie industry. Atleast the PS2 has a 10 million userbase when you started that crap. I think you jumped the gun a little, just thought!

 

[captive]

This was my favorite post by you trying to slam Van you just needed to add Blu in front on the the cool-aid to make it appropriate, considering Van post was spot on!

Except for it wasnt.

But great, glad i can amuse.

 

[ManaByte]

Remember, tomorrow marks the first High Definition Spielberg release!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Wow, WULFER, you have a real mad-on for Sony.

 

[Wulfer]

Wow, WULFER, you have a real mad-on for Sony.

Nope, not really just speaking up for the little guy.

 

[Gattsu25]

October 09, 2007

* 28 Days Later (Blu-ray)
* The Fly (1986) (Blu-ray)
* RoboCop (Blu-ray)


October 23, 2007

* 2001: A Space Odyssey (Blu-ray)
* A Clockwork Orange (Blu-ray)
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition (Blu-ray)
* The Shining (1980) (Blu-ray)

Mine!

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

You could have gotten them both brand new on Amazon for 47 dollars... Season 1 is 19 and season 2 is 27.

im probably going to buy them.

meh, I had paypal monies burning a metaphorical hole in my electronic pocket.

 

[lupin23rd]

Come on guys, tell the truth. It's not about price, or PS3, or studio support, or whatever.

Those of us buying Blu-ray bought it cause the blue cases are much better looking that those red x whatever color HD-DVD cases.

And the HD-DVD fans all went to some university where this red x whatever color was the official school color.

It's the only real explanation.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Who's the little guy? All I see are huge corporations. Toshiba is a little guy?

 

[Oni Jazar]

Who's the little guy? All I see are huge corporations. Toshiba is a little guy?

Maybe Microsoft.

 

[Costanza]

Remember, tomorrow marks the first High Definition Spielberg release!

Just waiting on a review of this before picking it up.

edit: uh-oh if true: http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showpost.php?p=352186&postcount=20 I wonder if it got pushed back.

 

[Oni Jazar]

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s..._Spielberg_Titles_in_HD_DVD_Presentation/1044

HD DVD never learns:

Spielberg Spokesperson: Universal Japan HD DVD Announcement was "A Mistake"

Marv Levy, spokesperson for Steven Spielberg, was kind enough to speak with us today regarding the recent surprise announcement from Universal Home Video Japan that Jaws, E.T., Jurassic Park and Back to the Future would be released on HD DVD.

According to Mr. Levy, "There are no plans to release these titles on HD DVD. It was a mistake and someone inadvertently put those titles into a presentation"

Mr. Levy also mentioned that Universal will be making a public statement regarding this mistake in the coming days.

Blu-ray.com would like to thank Mr. Levy for again speaking with us regarding Mr. Speilberg's films and their future in the world of high definition media.

Source: Marv Levy | Permalink

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=568

 

[Oni Jazar]

In other news, maybe this whole disc thing is just a stop gap to selling crap online:

Microsoft & Toshiba to push HDi features beyond HD DVD

Toshiba and Microsoft are taking their HD DVD partnership outside players and discs, by announcing the Advanced Interactivity Consortium. The idea behind the "open forum" is to take the interactive features found in HD DVD movies to other platforms, and potentially see HDi-style features on digital download services that connect directly to your PC, PMP, console or HDTV. The movie studios that currently support HD DVD (Dreamworks, Paramount, Universal and Warner Bros.) are also on board with additional partner invitations to be extended shortly. Whatever the result of this team is -- from simple website tie-ins or maybe HDi features on VOD/Xbox Live Video Marketplace/Zune, it's apparent HD DVD is just one part of these companies plans for digital media.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/0...a-partner-to-push-hdi-features-beyond-hd-dvd/

 

[Chiggs]

HD DVD never learns:

Wow, that's pretty embarassing. How many times have they made this mistake?

 

[captive]

Those of us buying Blu-ray bought it cause the blue cases are much better looking that those red x whatever color HD-DVD cases.

:lol
Its funny one of my friends that has interest in Hi def but wants A) Cheaper movies and B) ONE format keeps telling me that the blue casses just look cooler.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

This is the lamest thread on all of GAF, and that's saying a lot.

It's just page after page of fanboy shit recycled ad-nauseam. I can't believe most of you are not just bored to tears arguing the same old crap by now.

 

[captive]

This is the lamest thread on all of GAF, and that's saying a lot.

It's just page after page of fanboy shit recycled ad-nauseam. I can't believe most of you are not just bored to tears arguing the same old crap by now.

Stinkles alt account?

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Stinkles alt account?

No. Just someone who comes in here to check out hi-def news and has to wade through a sea of shit just to find sprinkles of relevant information.