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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Oni Jazar

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Ignatz Mouse said:
No complaining about tactics. All's fair in love, war and business.

It's wasn't "fair" that BD Group sponsored a bunch of sales the week of Transformers

It wasn't "fair" that HD-DVD Group bought out Paramount to get Transformers exclusive in the first place

It wasn't "fair" for Sony to include a BluRay Player at subsidized cost in the form of the PS3

None of the exclusives on either side are "fair"

None of this has been fair from the beginning. It's just a war, there're winners and losers, but nothing about fairness.

I disagree when it comes to Star Trek. All of these exclusive deals and BOGO sales are all in the marketspace of HDM. Star Trek brings in the DVD giant into play and sales of that SKU will yield nothing of value in the context of high def media because 99% of the people buying it won't use the HD DVD side.
 
Oni Jazar said:
I disagree when it comes to Star Trek. All of these exclusive deals and BOGO sales are all in the marketspace of HDM. Star Trek brings in the DVD giant into play and sales of that SKU will yield nothing of value in the context of high def media because 99% of the people buying it won't use the HD DVD side.

While I can see your point, it would be easy to argue that more HD-DVD discs in people's hands will translate into more interest in HD Media (particularly HD-DVD). And if it's successful, expect to see more combo-only releases of premium material.

I personally don't think it'll have that huge an impact, but who knows?
 
not sure if this was mentioned already, but for ps3 owners hostel 2 does that thing where it shows a picture and the title of the movie under the video part of the XMB instead of the blu-ray icon.
 

YYZ

Junior Member
xS1TH L0RDx said:
not sure if this was mentioned already, but for ps3 owners hostel 2 does that thing where it shows a picture and the title of the movie under the video part of the XMB instead of the blu-ray icon.
yes it does. It also has some other spiffy features like showing the time of where you're at in the movie if you search forward or backward while watching. Has bookmarking too, like Tekkonkinkreet. Seems Sony is using all the features.
 
Oni Jazar said:
I disagree when it comes to Star Trek. All of these exclusive deals and BOGO sales are all in the marketspace of HDM. Star Trek brings in the DVD giant into play and sales of that SKU will yield nothing of value in the context of high def media because 99% of the people buying it won't use the HD DVD side.

Don't agree with this. The selling point for this set are the new special effects and remastered print. No doubt a lot of people will be buying it for DVD use only, but if you can afford $100+ for the set, surely $199 for a A2 isn't out of the equation for some people. Especially those who were thinking of updating their DVD players anyway.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Circuit City, Walmart..............are Best Buy and Target the next two to offer a sub $200 HD DVD player? I can see those having a big impact in HD DVD penetration.

Because Transformers like the BR deal was a PR stunt which Toshiba payed cash for. We still don't know if Paramount is truely exclusive to HDDVD not to mention that this was HDDVD biggest chance this year to outsell BR.

Is this a joke? Paramount doesn't sell any more BR movies, and has already released HD DVD exclusive movies beyond Transformers. The only thing to question is if you'll get some BDs from them in 2009 and if you'll get the Spielberg titles. Other than that, to question their exclusivity to HD DVD is akin to questioning the exclusivity of any other major studio, since they are ALL receiving incentives.


If you discount Casino Royale's sales, or the pair of POTC movies, BluRay still dominates.

In their first week? If you took out the 59k Casino Royale did, you would've had a 65-35 split that week? GTFO!! Nobody would have or actually did discount their numbers the weeks they came out, so why discount Transformers first week sales? Oh yeah, cause they paint the picture you want to see.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
can someone summarise the big releases for the rest of the year? So i can see what is up against what. I know spiderman is now, die hard next week then pixar in a couple of weeks. What else? Close encounters, ... Is it really that blu from now until christmas?
 

Kujo

Member
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Made this chart for another forum, might as well post it here too. In response to someone who thinks that BR sales have plummeted from a 4:1 advantage to being equal now, lol:

Blu-Ray sales numbers have been shrinking (from 4:1 lead at the beginning) to the point of getting it pretty much equal.

Anyway it'll be interesting to see how the holidays affect it.

If we had $200 HD-DVD players here I'd probably get one, but I think our cheapest standalone is around AU$500-$600. No free movies either, come on Toshiba. :/
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
mrklaw said:
can someone summarise the big releases for the rest of the year? So i can see what is up against what. I know spiderman is now, die hard next week then pixar in a couple of weeks. What else? Close encounters, ... Is it really that blu from now until christmas?

PotC, Cars (though that's gonna be a bit low probably), The Simpsons Movie, and a lot of back title releases (Independence Day, I Robot, etc) as well within the next two months.
 
VanMardigan said:
Circuit City, Walmart..............are Best Buy and Target the next two to offer a sub $200 HD DVD player? I can see those having a big impact in HD DVD penetration.



Is this a joke? Paramount doesn't sell any more BR movies, and has already released HD DVD exclusive movies beyond Transformers. The only thing to question is if you'll get some BDs from them in 2009 and if you'll get the Spielberg titles. Other than that, to question their exclusivity to HD DVD is akin to questioning the exclusivity of any other major studio, since they are ALL receiving incentives.




In their first week? If you took out the 59k Casino Royale did, you would've had a 65-35 split that week? GTFO!! Nobody would have or actually did discount their numbers the weeks they came out, so why discount Transformers first week sales? Oh yeah, cause they paint the picture you want to see.

Yeah, HD-DVD would have won one week out of the year. My point is that that's irrelevant when the sales have been fairly consistenly 60:40 or better all year.

I still thinkn you misunderstood the point of the inital post. It wasn't to discount anything, it was to show what the rest of the market beyond the two major events of the week looked like. Which is pretty much like any other week, the same split. Consistency matters, espeically if HD-DVDs biggest hurrah couldn't even make the market 50/50. Note how fast HD Group wanted to get that 190K (shipped) number out, to get what little PR milliage out of this they could.
 
300 BD outsells Knocked up and Evan Almighty, sounds like a lot of people are snatching those 80GB units. If 300 on Bd which has been out for 3 months now can outsell 2 supposedly high profile HDDVD exclusives, that's got to show for something. BOGO or not, people are buying BD players in one form or another (PS3).
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
mrklaw said:
can someone summarise the big releases for the rest of the year? So i can see what is up against what. I know spiderman is now, die hard next week then pixar in a couple of weeks. What else? Close encounters, ... Is it really that blu from now until christmas?
Look back a few pages theres a .pdf that has the releases in red vs blue vs nuetral till a few weeks into january.

Mojo said:
Made this chart for another forum, might as well post it here too. In response to someone who thinks that BR sales have plummeted from a 4:1 advantage to being equal now,
Your chart is erroneous. You claim that it used to be 4:1, first of all that is false, never has blu-ray lead by 4:1, not even once in one week in the whole year. For blu-ray to have lead by 4:1 the chart would have to have been 80/20.

Secondly, your basing your claim that hd dvd is getting closer from one week... last week. the week before that it was 70:30 in favor of blu-ray.

Im really not trying to be rude, but please go take a statistics class before trying to analyze any of this.
 
captive said:
Look back a few pages theres a .pdf that has the releases in red vs blue vs nuetral till a few weeks into january.

Your chart is erroneous. You claim that it used to be 4:1, first of all that is false, never has blu-ray lead by 4:1, not even once in one week in the whole year. For blu-ray to have lead by 4:1 the chart would have to have been 80/20.

Secondly, your basing your claim that hd dvd is getting closer from one week... last week. the week before that it was 70:30 in favor of blu-ray.

Im really not trying to be rude, but please go take a statistics class before trying to analyze any of this.
if it's the one I think you're talking about you can only view/download it if you're a member of those forums. I'm not a member so I wasn't able to see it either. maybe a rehost is needed?
 

Kujo

Member
captive said:
Your chart is erroneous. You claim that it used to be 4:1, first of all that is false, never has blu-ray lead by 4:1, not even once in one week in the whole year. For blu-ray to have lead by 4:1 the chart would have to have been 80/20.

Secondly, your basing your claim that hd dvd is getting closer from one week... last week. the week before that it was 70:30 in favor of blu-ray.

Im really not trying to be rude, but please go take a statistics class before trying to analyze any of this.
:lol :lol :lol

Err...You totally misread my post. I wasn't the one who said that 4:1 bullshit, if you re-read it you'll see that I made that chart in response to that FUD by showing that it was always around 2:1. :p
 
Transformers HD-DVD
Week Ending 10/21/07 = 89,871 Units (First Week sales as reported in VideoScan First Alert)

300 Blu-ray
Week Ending 8/5/07 = 107,351 Units (First Week sales as reported in VideoScan First Alert)


Way below even 115k. Didn't they learn from releasing false number with Shrek 2 on DVD?


Disney lends a hand.
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Home Media Magazine (Nielson Numbers)
 
user friendly said:
Transformers HD-DVD
Week Ending 10/21/07 = 89,871 Units (First Week sales as reported in VideoScan First Alert)

Way below even 115k. Didn't they learn from releasing false number with Shrek 2 on DVD?


Disney lends a hand.
disney_ad.jpg

Doesn't really matter anymore honestly.
Unless HD-DVD magically wraps up an exclusive of the Lord of the Rings trilogy I can not foresee any week possible where Blu Ray will come in last.
People can do the "bu bu bu low priced players at walmart!!" or whatever else they want, but it will not change a thing.
 
thaivo said:
Funny they mention nothing about BD's advanced interactivity. :D

Why mention something that they haven't perfected yet? Cool feature yes and it will come to BD players, but it obviously isn't going to tilt the scale when it comes to sales. 300 already proved that.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Mojo said:
:lol :lol :lol

Err...You totally misread my post. I wasn't the one who said that 4:1 bullshit, if you re-read it you'll see that I made that chart in response to that FUD by showing that it was always around 2:1. :p
My bad, really im sorry. total misread.
:blush:
 

thaivo

Member
user friendly said:
Why mention something that they haven't perfected yet?
Exactly my point.
user friendly said:
Cool feature yes and it will come to BD players, but it obviously isn't going to tilt the scale when it comes to sales. 300 already proved that.
Well, it's not like the people who bought 300 on BD had much of a choice. If there was another version on BD released that had greater interactivity, I'm sure that it would have sold much better than the gimped version.
 

Cloudy

Banned
Umm, WTF. Children of Men HD won't play on my 360! I googled this and it seems I'm not alone. Any fix for this?

PS: Is there an intuitive way of using this add-on? I loaded the CD and there's no HD section on my dashboard. I'm already getting irritated :\
 
thaivo said:
Exactly my point.
Well, it's not like the people who bought 300 on BD had much of a choice. If there was another version on BD released that had greater interactivity, I'm sure that it would have sold much better than the gimped version.

If there was another version of Transformers with Dolby True HD, which would people buy?
 

djkimothy

Member
Cloudy said:
Umm, WTF. Children of Men HD won't play on my 360! I googled this and it seems I'm not alone. Any fix for this?

PS: Is there an intuitive way of using this add-on? I loaded the CD and there's no HD section on my dashboard. I'm already getting irritated :\

Something something firmware upgrade...
 

Cloudy

Banned
djkimothy said:
Seriously? You have the latest firmware? It was supposed to fix the CoM incompatibility.

I'm on XBL right now and I'm not prompted to DL anything. Not even from the DVD like the web stuff for Transformers...
 

djkimothy

Member
Cloudy said:
I'm on XBL right now and I'm not prompted to DL anything. Not even from the DVD like the web stuff for Transformers...

Well, I don't have a 360 or add-on so I can't run it through with you. But I recall MS releasing a firmware update to rectify this issue. Toshiba as well I think. Maybe one of the HDDVD people can help you out with the technicalities.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Cloudy said:
I'm on XBL right now and I'm not prompted to DL anything. Not even from the DVD like the web stuff for Transformers...


You're doing something wrong, maybe the installation. It won't prompt you for a firmware upgrade unless you can see "HD DVD" BELOW the usual drive marked with whatever game you have.

Once you see the tab on the bottom that says "HD DVD", then you load the disc inside and it will prompt you. Go through the installation process again if you don't see the HD DVD half of the disc info screen at the bottom of the dashboard.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
Allow me to practice the spin ...

"Hd has moved forward and has reduced Blu ray's lead down to 51%, what an exciting time to be a supporter of HD-DVD!!!" :lol

And this isn't a half assed troll attempt? Stop calling people out if you act just as childish. I consider those totals a win for the BR camp, in the sense that they kept the majority of software sales, but I don't think those results are something that spell doom for HD DVD. It's obvious that this battle won't be over any time soon.

Might as well go for the full ride (format neutral), that's how I feel.
 

Chemo

Member
_leech_ said:
Nielson graphs:

25somly.jpg
So, you guys see this shit, right? It's a blue Pac-Man opening his mouth really fucking wide because he's going to eat the shit out of red watermelon slices for the rest of the year. Mmmm!
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Chemo said:
So, you guys see this shit, right? It's a blue Pac-Man opening his mouth really fucking wide because he's going to eat the shit out of red watermelon slices for the rest of the year. Mmmm!
:lol
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
djkimothy said:
I'm disappointed that the DVD is the exact theatrical cut.

So it still has the Barricade plot hole in it. :/ Also, Brawl is still referred to as Devastator. I thought they were going to change those. Perhaps on a double dip?


WAY late on this, but since I just saw Transformers, I don't know that they're going to change that. Even on the downloadable widget where it shows each Transformer and their life bar, they list that robot as Devastator.
 
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/Commentary:_Specs_vs._Reality/1096

I should mention at this point that at least one working Hollywood sound mixer has voiced his opinion that, when played back on his professional dubbing stage, well-mastered Dolby Digital Plus soundtracks encoded at the high 1509 kb/s bit rate that Paramount uses can be audibly transparent to the studio masters, when tested on movies that he mixed himself and would presumably know better than anyone else. But what use is the informed opinion of an expert in the field when it's easier to just point to the specs list on the back of a disc's packaging to make conclusive statements about matters of quality? In the forum on this site, a number of readers have made proclamations such as, "Compressed audio is just not acceptable these days" and "Whether you can tell the difference or not is irrelevant."

The disc's audio being indistinguishable from its studio master is "irrelevant"? Even with just a Dolby Digital Plus track, the 'Transformers' disc rated the highest score for audio quality that we can give. What more could we demand from it? It's absolutely terrific, but it's just not absolutely terrific enough if the packaging doesn't have a listing for TrueHD or PCM, even when it's likely impossible for human ears to tell the difference? What kind of argument is that?

Excellent article to read.

DarkJediKnight said:
If there was another version of Transformers with Dolby True HD, which would people buy?

:lol
 
My review of the 360 add on Hd-DVD drive:

+Easy hook up
+1080p through hdmi which you will not get without paying 299 and up for a stand alone.
+ You can use it with your PC without alot of effort.

- Loud as fucking hell. Anyone who says "oh but it is about the same as a PS3" is on crack. The sun is about as loud as a lightbulb.
- If you do not go vga or HDMI you do not get 1080p.

? 1080p/24 support?


Seriously wish that I had kept it unopened and sold it and put it toward a stand alone.
Ah well at least I got Heroes, Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead for free.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
What was loud, your 360 or the spinning disc on the add-on? I've never been bothered by the noise, but I'm sure the Ps3 is even quieter. Also, is the noise what's pushing you towards going for a standalone, cause you seem pretty pleased otherwise.

BTW, congrats on going format neutral. Let us know what you think of Hot Fuzz and the special features on Heroes. Also, King Kong is still packed in, no? I didn't see you mention getting that for free.
 

Chemo

Member
OokieSpookie said:
My review of the 360 add on Hd-DVD drive:

+Easy hook up
+1080p through hdmi which you will not get without paying 299 and up for a stand alone.
+ You can use it with your PC without alot of effort.

- Loud as fucking hell. Anyone who says "oh but it is about the same as a PS3" is on crack. The sun is about as loud as a lightbulb.
- If you do not go vga or HDMI you do not get 1080p.

? 1080p/24 support?


Seriously wish that I had kept it unopened and sold it and put it toward a stand alone.
Ah well at least I got Heroes, Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead for free.
Thought you were only going neutral if HD DVD won the week.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
OokieSpookie said:
My review of the 360 add on Hd-DVD drive:

+Easy hook up
+1080p through hdmi which you will not get without paying 299 and up for a stand alone.
+ You can use it with your PC without alot of effort.

- Loud as fucking hell. Anyone who says "oh but it is about the same as a PS3" is on crack. The sun is about as loud as a lightbulb.
- If you do not go vga or HDMI you do not get 1080p.

? 1080p/24 support?


Seriously wish that I had kept it unopened and sold it and put it toward a stand alone.
Ah well at least I got Heroes, Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead for free.

Congrats on going neutral! I'm not saying the add on is not loud (it could be) but I've honestly never noticed the noise and I dont even have a sound system. Hot fuzz is a great movie have you had a chance to watch it yet?

It's ok Chemo it'll be alright you guys are still winning.
 
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