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[JCBossman]

First Wal-Mart than K-Mart, NOW Best-Buy, I thing we have the Beginnings of a "Titanic" shift to HD-DVD that will be UNSTOPPABLE. Sony must be sweating Bullets RIGHT NOW, First they saw their "Dream" of PS3 as a "Game Console" Monster dashed, Now the "Pillar" of a PS3 as a low cost Hi-Def player is getting kicked down, I kinda feel sorry for them, they must feel like the guy who brought a fork to a Soup raining Party.

 

[VanMardigan]

No I have not. What DID really impress me though, was how intuitive all the menus were. Like, being able to navigate set-up, extras, and scene selection menus, without leaving the movie (hell, without really obstructing the movie either, as they only take up a little bit of space on the bottom of the screen), was really great. I can tell that going back to older, more cumbersome DVD menus will be painful. Then again, King Kong didnt appear to have this feature, so perhaps its more of a disc-specific thing. If so, companies could learn a lot from what Paramount did with Transformers.

Disc menu navigation on HD DVD is a dream. As far as implementation, Warner and Paramount tend to do bottom-level navigation, while Universal does left hand. Works the same way, just a matter of preference in how you want it to appear. Uni's menus are transparent, so they don't obstruct either. For King Kong (and all Universal titles), hit RIGHT on the HD DVD media center remote to bring up the menu overlay that allows you to tweak settings on the fly.

On the U-Control stuff for Universal titles, you can call up the PiP on demand, whereas on most Warner/Paramount titles the movie stops, then you have to restart to get the HDi overlay applied. I prefer U-Control, though I was exposed to that first. You were exposed to Paramount's implementation, which is fine, but I have to tell you that you have two excellent discs when it comes to menu usability and tons of interactivity elements. You'll be sad to find some HD DVD's still don't have the functionality like HDi. And most don't have web enabled features. Thankfully, that's changing, because U-Control and advanced interactivity have become a big bullet point when I'm shopping for HD DVD titles.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I just don't understand why Toshiba is still making players that can't do 1080p...and if I want a hd-dvd player I'm pretty much stuck with a Toshiba. If I want a blu-ray player I can get one by samsung, sony, sharp, phillips, pioneer, panasonic. Toshiba just seems determined to keep this format alive by themselves....

 

[Forsete]

First Wal-Mart than K-Mart, NOW Best-Buy, I thing we have the Beginnings of a "Titanic" shift to HD-DVD that will be UNSTOPPABLE. Sony must be sweating Bullets RIGHT NOW, First they saw their "Dream" of PS3 as a "Game Console" Monster dashed, Now the "Pillar" of a PS3 as a low cost Hi-Def player is getting kicked down, I kinda feel sorry for them, they must feel like the guy who brought a fork to a Soup raining Party.

:lol

Classic JC, "Its already OVAH, act like Sony is the one to catch up!"

Anyway, I wonder what kind of holes this is burning in Toshibas pockets.

 

[VanMardigan]

:lol

Classic JC.

Anyway, I wonder what kind of holes this is burning in Toshibas pockets.

Why does that matter? Both sides are losing major money to get their formats off the ground. This entry level 1080i player can't be losing more money than a Ps3, especially considering that these cuts are retailer-driven, not manufacturer driven.

 

[Forsete]

especially considering that these cuts are retailer-driven, not manufacturer driven.

Why is that? Wouldnt they get compensation, or are they just dumping old stock?

 

[captive]

First Wal-Mart than K-Mart, NOW Best-Buy, I thing we have the Beginnings of a "Titanic" shift to HD-DVD that will be UNSTOPPABLE. Sony must be sweating Bullets RIGHT NOW, First they saw their "Dream" of PS3 as a "Game Console" Monster dashed, Now the "Pillar" of a PS3 as a low cost Hi-Def player is getting kicked down, I kinda feel sorry for them, they must feel like the guy who brought a fork to a Soup raining Party.

Man i LIKE totally agree. I LOVE Making postS where RaNDOM letters are CApitilized AND random Words are ALL CAPS.

especially considering that these cuts are retailer-driven, not manufacturer driven.

Which would tell most normal rational people that retailers want to get rid of excess stock to make room for a new line or get rid of a discontinued product.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Kolgar, I think your comment highlights the misunderstanding. Not too many here are pro-Blu because we bought a PS3 that happened to include it-- many bought it because it was the cheapest of the healthier-seeming format players and had the bonus of a game system. OTOH, a lot of the HD-DVD folks here hopped on the bandwagon due to the cheap HD-DVD add-on and brought the console mentality with them (buy both!). Pshah, I say, a waste of money and a likely result of having one or the other unsupported in the future, ala HD Audio formats.

 

[VanMardigan]

Why is that? Wouldnt they get compensation, or are they just dumping old stock?

It's likely a co-promotion by Toshiba with these retailers in terms of the Wal Mart ad, but the price is supposed to be $199. According to Toshiba, anything further is the retailers driving traffic and I doubt they get compensated by Toshiba. Their MSRP for these has not changed from $299. In my mind, once the A2 stock clears, the A3 will be slotted into those same price ranges.

edit:

I love that mousey. The Ps3 owners bought it for Blu Ray, the HD DVD folks are Xbox folks. Hilarious. If you don't think most of the pro-blu ray crowd here aren't Sony fans and wouldn't have bought a Ps3 even if it lacked Blu Ray, you're being disingenuous. There's console fanboyism on both sides, and trying to pretend like the Ps3 Blu Ray fans (that would be ALL of you in this thread) aren't partial to their console is laughable at best.

 

[JCBossman]

When Sony was "saving" Blue Laser diodes for the PS3, I think Toshiba was "saving" theirs for a $100 Hd-Dvd "marketing MEGATON" when you think about it a HD player is pretty similar to a regular $29 DVD player, except for the Diode and a chip to do the decoding, so with production problems out of the way, the diodes are likely down to a couple bucks and the same for the decoding chip. Another important factor is The Blu-Ray group is "Run" by Sony and there is NO way Sony is going to let a cheap Blu-Ray player get out the door, that will DECIMATE PS3 sales., so basically there Fucked.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

First Wal-Mart than K-Mart, NOW Best-Buy, I thing we have the Beginnings of a "Titanic" shift to HD-DVD that will be UNSTOPPABLE. Sony must be sweating Bullets RIGHT NOW, First they saw their "Dream" of PS3 as a "Game Console" Monster dashed, Now the "Pillar" of a PS3 as a low cost Hi-Def player is getting kicked down, I kinda feel sorry for them, they must feel like the guy who brought a fork to a Soup raining Party.

This is exactly the type of "I'm pro HD-DVD because I hate Sony" poster that makes this thread suck so often.

 

[VanMardigan]

I do wish JC would stop posting. Snah already quit for now, give it a rest, guy. Oh well, won't be long before bish comes in here and cleans up.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I love that mousey. The Ps3 owners bought it for Blu Ray, the HD DVD folks are Xbox folks. Hilarious. If you don't think most of the pro-blu ray crowd here aren't Sony fans and wouldn't have bought a Ps3 even if it lacked Blu Ray, you're being disingenuous. There's console fanboyism on both sides, and trying to pretend like the Ps3 Blu Ray fans (that would be ALL of you in this thread) aren't partial to their console is laughable at best.

Van, not in the world at large, but IN THIS THREAD. Let's straw poll the HD-DVD people and see how many had the add-on asd their first HD-DVD player, and whether they got it with the 360, or already had the 360 when they bought it.

Yes, there's console fanboyishness on both sides, but there's at least a few people who've come out and said they hate Sony, and that's what drives them. Not a lot of console fanboys hate Toshiba, and MS isn't that deep into the format as to be identified as strongly with it (and you can bet when somebody repeatedly raises the MS name, they are one of the fanboys on the Blu side).

I mean, Jesus, read JC's last three or four posts!

Edit: I was a Sony-game fan, but "$600!" broke that for me. Only the BluRay pulled me back, and even then I've bought very few PS3 games-- the catalog just isn't that strong, and I don't game like I used to.

 

[JCBossman]

Man i LIKE totally agree. I LOVE Making postS where RaNDOM letters are CApitilized AND random Words are ALL CAPS.

Which would tell most normal rational people that retailers want to get rid of excess stock to make room for a new line or get rid of a discontinued product.

I cant take ALL the credit!
Did you ever read Howard Stern's "Private Parts"? The man is a FUCKING genius, he was the FIRST author to use various sized/colored/type of font's to make CERTAIN words POP, off the page, I can't do the FANCY shit easily, so this will have to do

 

[Days like these...]

Kolgar, I think your comment highlights the misunderstanding. Not too many here are pro-Blu because we bought a PS3 that happened to include it-- many bought it because it was the cheapest of the healthier-seeming format players and had the bonus of a game system. OTOH, a lot of the HD-DVD folks here hopped on the bandwagon due to the cheap HD-DVD add-on and brought the console mentality with them (buy both!). Pshah, I say, a waste of money and a likely result of having one or the other unsupported in the future, ala HD Audio formats.

HD DVD owners brought the game console mentality to the HD format war? Check this thread then go over to the gaming side you have some of the most hardcore/rabid ps3 supporters in here. Both sides brought the console mentality to place it squarely on us is disingenous at best.

 

[Forsete]

It's likely a co-promotion by Toshiba with these retailers in terms of the Wal Mart ad, but the price is supposed to be $199. According to Toshiba, anything further is the retailers driving traffic and I doubt they get compensated by Toshiba. Their MSRP for these has not changed from $299. In my mind, once the A2 stock clears, the A3 will be slotted into those same price ranges.

But why would they take a hit for HD-DVD?

Man i LIKE totally agree. I LOVE Making postS where RaNDOM letters are CApitilized AND random Words are ALL CAPS

You can tell hes all worked up. :lol

 

[Oni Jazar]

Difference in looking at things, I guess. Personally, I won't buy a dedicated HD player at all, partially because I hate dedicated players (had a dedicated DVD player until the PS2, then never again), but also because I'd hate to spend money on one of the two players at this point in the chance that one or the other is killed off.

The only reason I have any Blu-ray movies at this point is because I have a PS3, and Blu-ray was a bonus to getting hardware I already would have purchased. I've actually spent money on three movies, during the $10 Fry's sale, but if HD-DVD comes out the victor, I'm going to hate myself for having done so. If HD-DVD is crowned the high-def media format of choice, then I want my ENTIRE library in HD-DVD - so, to me, those Blu-ray discs I already own are totally worthless.

I absolutely, positively do not want to have a situation where I have to use multiple pieces of hardware depending on what movie I want to watch. (I already have to do that every now and then when I play the odd import DVD that I own that isn't region free, and I despise it.) When I switched over to DVD, I completely dumped my VHS collection - I wanted nothing to do with it anymore. I'm not quite going to do the same for high-def media, because DVD will play in the same machine my HD media will, but otherwise I just won't go dual format. I can't stand the idea.

(Of course, it's funny, because I have all three of the current gaming systems, so obviously I don't feel that way about video games.)

Agree with you 100%.

 

[Snah]

Why does that matter? Both sides are losing major money to get their formats off the ground. This entry level 1080i player can't be losing more money than a Ps3, especially considering that these cuts are retailer-driven, not manufacturer driven.

$99 HD-DVD players are losing a shitload more than the 399 PS3s. At most the PS3 is probably losing 70 dollars per unit, and AT THE VERY LEAST those HD-DVD players are losing over $150.

 

[plagiarize]

Van, not in the world at large, but IN THIS THREAD. Let's straw poll the HD-DVD people and see how many had the add-on asd their first HD-DVD player, and whether they got it with the 360, or already had the 360 when they bought it.

Yes, there's console fanboyishness on both sides, but there's at least a few people who've come out and said they hate Sony, and that's what drives them. Not a lot of console fanboys hate Toshiba, and MS isn't that deep into the format as to be identified as strongly with it (and you can bet when somebody repeatedly raises the MS name, they are one of the fanboys on the Blu side).

I mean, Jesus, read JC's last three or four posts!

i think all bossman was saying is that the blu-ray advocates here are as much playing another string of the console war as the hd-dvd advocates.

again, if we straw poll the people here who can ONLY play blu-rays to see how many of them only own a PS3, or at the very least, consider the PS3 their primary console, you probably won't see something drastically different.

whatever my feelings on the PS3 as a games machine (which are changing now that games i want to play are finally starting to come out) i bought it as a blu-ray player first and have zero complaints at how good a job it does at doing that.

so what if i owned an xbox 360 when i got an hd-dvd player. it was a $200 entry price rather than a $600. i think most people that buy the hd-dvd player buy it later rather than with their console... but i don't really see the relevance.

i own hd-dvd because of films like The Thing and Shaun of the Dead. i own blu-ray because of films like Halloween and Dawn of the Dead. if a film is multiplatform and equal, i buy the HD-DVD because my harmony remote works better with the 360 than it does the PS3 and the 360 offers more options for people like me stuck using optical audio.

i'm not bullshitting when i say i love them equally... or when i say i won't be sad if and when one goes the way of betamax.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'm sorry, I just don't see the Microsoft hate like I see the Sony hat ein this thread. Yeah, there's a little, but being a casual adopter, picking up the add-on, and then making Betamax comments has been a pattern with a lot of posters as they've joined the thread. Nobody's taking me up on the straw poll, eh? Afraid of the results?

When the fire sale is over, we'll see if some console-neutral HD-DVD folks balance whings out. Right now, too many JCBossmans (today's flavor of a very common troll) and not enough Solos.

Sorry, reasonable-HD-DVD people, if you're offended by that.

 

[beerbelly]

$99 HD-DVD players are losing a shitload more than the 399 PS3s. At most the PS3 is probably losing 70 dollars per unit, and AT THE VERY LEAST those HD-DVD players are losing over $150.

Wow! Great value on the $99 HD DVD for the consumer then!

 

[Snah]

Wow! Great value on the $99 HD DVD for the consumer then!

Sure, in terms of technology -- it's a tremendous value.

In terms of long term prospects and investment into a medium -- it's a very poor value, IMHO.

 

[VanMardigan]

$99 HD-DVD players are losing a shitload more than the 399 PS3s. At most the PS3 is probably losing 70 dollars per unit, and AT THE VERY LEAST those HD-DVD players are losing over $150.

Please, please, please pull out those numbers on why Toshiba's 1080i entry level, last year model is losing more than it sells for. I would LOVE to see those numbers. Actually, never mind, the LAST thing I would want to do is encourage you to post here again.

Hi Def Digest take on the Wal Mart Situation:


HD DVD Takes Centerstage at Wal-Mart

Only a week after dropping the price of Toshiba's entry-level HD DVD player to $198, Wal-Mart has revealed more plans to help push HD DVD this holiday season.

As first spotted by eagle-eyed early adopters late yesterday, the country's top retailer has rolled out a new holiday advertising campaign that includes at least one ad that prominently features the 1080i Toshiba HD DVD player.

Wal-Mart CMO Stephen Quinn told The New York Times that the overall goal of the campaign is to "find more positive and more emotionally connective ways" to emphasize the chain's discounted prices.

In the HD DVD-specific commercial (scroll to the end of this story to watch), a wife raves about the "incredible" price she paid for a Toshiba HD-DVD player she bought her husband. "All I know is that Christmas is going to be a very, very good day," she says, smiling.

Designed to tie in with the launch of the new campaign, this Friday at 8am, select Wal-Mart stores will be knocking yet another $100 off the cost of Toshiba's HD-A2 HD DVD player, offering the player for just $98 as one of five "Secret In-Store Specials."

Alongside the player, the retailer will also be offering three HD DVD titles ('12 Monkeys,' 'The Big Lebowski' and 'Blood Diamond') for just 14.96 a peice.

So does this mean the influential retailer is choosing sides in the high-def format war? Maybe, maybe not. The company itself hasn't indicated whether it has plans to promote both formats as part of the campaign, but it did list Blu-ray backer Sony alongside Toshiba among the well-known brands that will ultimately be included.

They also have the video of the ad in case you guys haven't seen it.

Nobody's taking me up on the straw poll, eh? Afraid of the results?

You mean the poll that would reveal a number of HD DVD folks with standalones while EVERY SINGLE BLU RAY SUPPORTER IN THIS THREAD owns a Ps3? Yeah, mousey, that'll show us how the HD DVD side is the primary harbinger of console war mentality. :lol :lol :lol

 

[plagiarize]

I'm sorry, I just don't see the Microsoft hate like I see the Sony hat ein this thread. Yeah, there's a little, but being a casual adopter, picking up the add-on, and then making Betamax comments has been a pattern with a lot of posters as they've joined the thread. Nobody's taking me up on the straw poll, eh? Afraid of the results?

When the fire sale is over, we'll see if some console-neutral HD-DVD folks balance whings out. Right now, too many JCBossmans (today's flavor of a very common troll) and not enough Solos.

Sorry, reasonable-HD-DVD people, if you're offended by that.

i told you that i bought the add on after owning the 360... even though i don't see the relevance. you're talking about a $200 price of entry rather than $600. that wasn't much of a stake for me to put into being neutral in this war, and i knew i'd be getting a PS3 down the line.

the reason i picked up a PS3 as early as i did was because of how good HD-DVD was, and i knew Blu-Ray was meant to be as good. i decided the blu-ray exclusive films coming out made up for the lack of games i was interested in at that time and dove in, and haven't regretted it once.

now the stake for a blu-ray owner to go neutral is $100 even if only temporarily. that's hardly a big entry barrier and it means you too can not give two shits about which studio supports which format, and just get excited about each new HDM release.

heck people that just own hd-dvd, i'll tell them the same thing when blu-ray breaks $200 if both formats are still around.

 

[Snah]

Please, please, please pull out those numbers on why Toshiba's 1080i entry level, last year model is losing more than it sells for. I would LOVE to see those numbers. Actually, never mind, the LAST thing I would want to do is encourage you to post here again.

Hi Def Digest take on the Wal Mart Situation:


HD DVD Takes Centerstage at Wal-Mart


They also have the video of the ad in case you guys haven't seen it.

Are you suggesting that these HD-DVD player costs AREN'T heavily subsidized?

If you honestly think the $99 HD-DVD player isn't losing a ton of money, you're out of your freaking mind.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

i think all bossman was saying is that the blu-ray advocates here are as much playing another string of the console war as the hd-dvd advocates.

I think all he's saying is "Golly, it sure must suck for Sony! Too bad they're losing! Gosh I feel SORRY for them!"

Yeah, we get a lot of that about Toshiba, sure.

Not to mention Alcibades saying the reason he supported HD-DVD was *becuase* he hated Sony. Absolutely Pathetic.

I think the worst we had was Petrarca, and he got his ass banned for it.

 

[VanMardigan]

Are you suggesting that these HD-DVD player costs AREN'T heavily subsidized?

If you honestly think the $99 HD-DVD player isn't losing a ton of money, you're out of your freaking mind.

Bring out the numbers, pal, I'm waiting. And while you're at it, I'd like a link that shows that Ps3 only loses $70 per unit for Sony like you stated.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Sure, in terms of technology -- it's a tremendous value.

In terms of long term prospects and investment into a medium -- it's a very poor value, IMHO.

I've been in home theater for going on two decades, from the days of laserdisc and analog matrixed surround. This will be the best $99 investment I've ever made. Waging a format war for some corporation is the greatest waste of human energy that I can imagine.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The same people who think a $98 player is profitable were convionced a few months ago that the cheapest BluRay player this holiday would be $600. Surprise!

Which is it guys-- tech gets cheaper to make over time, or it doesn't. And if it can get *that* cheap (1/5 or so the price a year ago) that fast, why all the doubts (and subsequent surprise) about the lowering of BluRay prices over time?

 

[plagiarize]

I think all he's saying is "Golly, it sure must suck for Sony! Too bad they're losing! Gosh I feel SORRY for them!"

Yeah, we get a lot of that about Toshiba, sure.

Not to mention Alcibades saying the reason he supported HD-DVD was *becuase* he hated Sony. Absolutely Pathetic.

I think the worst we had was Petrarca, and he got his ass banned for it.

i don't know his post history that well. he's obviously an HD-DVD advocate from the last few pages, but i don't see that attitude in his posts at all.

i've lurked this thread off and on. i got fed up with ages ago because of all the bickering on both sides.

when things were going really well for blu-ray, i remember a lot of blu-ray advocates making posts just the same as van is doing right now... didn't really see a problem with those either fwiw.

 

[plagiarize]

I've been in home theater for going on two decades, from the days of laserdisc and analog matrixed surround. This will be the best $99 investment I've ever made. Waging a format war for some corporation is the greatest waste of human energy that I can imagine.

welcome to team purple.

it's a lot calmer here, and we get the most movies with every major hollywood studio supporting us!

 

[VanMardigan]

The same people who think a $98 player is profitable

Absolutely NOBODY here thinks that. Quit putting up strawmen, that's below you. My point is that both sides are losing money by subsidizing hardware, and it's foolish to assume Toshiba is losing buttloads of money on last year's entry level model.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I don't have a problem with any of Van's posts today. Van does not seem to be in this for Sony-hatred.

 

[JCBossman]

I do wish JC would stop posting. Snah already quit for now, give it a rest, guy. Oh well, won't be long before bish comes in here and cleans up.

This is OT, NO Mods just men..."Welcome to the Jungle"

 

[Snah]

I've been in home theater for going on two decades, from the days of laserdisc and analog matrixed surround. This will be the best $99 investment I've ever made. Waging a format war for some corporation is the greatest waste of human energy that I can imagine.

I'm glad you feel that way, and that's fine, I just beg to differ. I do not want to have to bother with multiple players and multiple formats when I know that blu-ray is going to win. I would absolutely hate to have to convert all of my previously purchased HD discs into Blu-Ray.

I'm a pretty casual movie watcher. I don't need every single release, but if there's something out there that I really liked I'll pick it up on the preferred format of choice. Otherwise, I can wait.

Bring out the numbers, pal, I'm waiting. And while you're at it, I'd like a link that shows that Ps3 only loses $70 per unit for Sony like you stated.

Okay, so they're breaking even on the $99 unit?

As for the 40 GB PS3s: they're saving money on:

1. Removing the BC entirely.

2. Having a smaller motherboard.

3. Having a smaller hard drive.

I'm pretty sure Sony was close to breaking even on the $500 models, so them losing only $70, given these cost savings, is a conservative estimate.

UNFORTUNATELY WE have no figures so we just have to use a little bit of common sense.

I guess common sense for you means that they aren't losing any money on a $99 HD-DVD player. Sure.

My point was that HD-DVD is subsidizing A LOT MORE than the Blu-Ray camp. PS3 may be taking a bit of a loss, but the other players aren't, and the loss isn't anywhere near the number that they're taking by selling a 99 dollar HD-DVD player.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Absolutely NOBODY here thinks that. Quit putting up strawmen, that's below you. My point is that both sides are losing money by subsidizing hardware, and it's foolish to assume Toshiba is losing buttloads of money on last year's entry level model.

You danced around being that direct until now. Glad you aren't delisional.

 

[MCD]

I think the worst we had was Petrarca, and he got his ass banned for it.

I think he was banned for the NG2 unveiling thread.

and he wasn't the only one.

 

[C4Lukins]

my issue with king kong is that HD just makes the CGI in the movie look even worse. i mean, it's a great transfer, but that great transfer makes the difference between what's real and what isn't all the more apparent, and for me, distracting.

i couldn't get through the first fifteen minutes, and that was a year ago.

hopefully the more people that go neutral, the less bickering this thread will see about disc sizes and bitrate. i mean, when people can see for themselves that HD-DVD absolutely stands up next to blu-ray in the IQ and AQ departments... when less peoples are going to champion a studio like Paramount dropping blu-ray, because it really doesn't matter either way to them... this thread could be good.

i too watched halloween last night, and i have to concur with what is already said here. whether the night scenes are as blue as intended or not, the film looks a damn site better than it ever has. it certainly hasn't ruined the mood of those night scenes, and i doubt the film will ever look better.

I agree with that concerning King Kong. The actual picture quality is fantastic, but the clarity causes an even larger disconnect from the CG stuff and the stuff that is really there. As fantastic as a lot of these CG creations look, there is still something completely unnatural about them, and I do not mean simply the fact that a large gorilla is is in the frame.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

NG2? Whuzzat?

 

[MCD]

NG2? Whuzzat?

Ninja Gaiden 2.

that thread was a blood path.

 

[plagiarize]

I'm glad you feel that way, and that's fine, I just beg to differ. I do not want to have to bother with multiple players and multiple formats when I know that blu-ray is going to win. I would absolutely hate to have to convert all of my previously purchased HD discs into Blu-Ray.

that is 100% a faith statement. you don't know that.

making your bet is one thing, but claiming you aren't actually making a bet and you have superior information or logic to everyone else is just insulting.

 

[Snah]

that is 100% a faith statement. you don't know that.

making your bet is one thing, but claiming you aren't actually making a bet and you have superior information or logic to everyone else is just insulting.

It's a pretty reasonable prediction based upon a few factors:

1. The growing disparity of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD software as the PS3's installed base grows.

2. The fact that even with the biggest HD release of the year, Blu-Ray has still managed to outsell HD-DVD.

3. All of this happening while HD-DVD maintains an aggressive price advantage relative to Blu-Ray.

People are simply adopting Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD is being adopted more by 'format neutral' and 'hardcore enthusiast' types. I do not see this changing even with the ridiculous price drops as of late. I think that this is the HD-DVD camp's last stand and they know it.

The recent news of a 399 PS3 only worsens the situation for the HD-DVD camp.

 

[plagiarize]

I don't have a problem with any of Van's posts today. Van does not seem to be in this for Sony-hatred.

then i was misunderstanding you.

JC is acting like an idiot. HEY DON'T WORRY IT'S OT I CAN'T BE BANNED FOR DOING ANYTHING HERE.

 

[VanMardigan]

You danced around being that direct until now. Glad you aren't delisional.

No I didn't. Look at the top of the page, I explicitly state that it is losing money, but likely comparable to what Sony is losing on a Ps3.

For like the 15th million time, my point is they're BOTH losing money, so to point out Toshiba now like their entry level model is losing ungodly amounts of money is hypocritical. Why resort to making those sort of statements? This reminds me of the Nintendo fans who laugh at MS and Sony for losing money on their units? Isn't that good for the consumer? This is a great deal, so why care about who loses what? That's just a smokescreen to steer the debate away from what a wonderful deal this is for HD disc fans.

 

[AstroLad]

'hardcore enthusiast' types.

They're still all being adopted pretty much exclusively by "hardcore enthusiast" types. Hell, on most of the computer tech podcasts I listen to many of the hosts still haven't jumped in due to waiting things out.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'll say that without WB going HD-DVD only in the next 6 months, BluRay will win. And if they WB does, both formats will suffer.

 

[Snah]

They're still all being adopted pretty much exclusively by "hardcore enthusiast" types. Hell, on most of the computer tech podcasts I listen to many of the hosts still haven't jumped in due to waiting things out.

To an extent, yes, but the Playstation 3 broadens that market. People who are more hardcore videogame players ARE using their PS3s as a means to play High Definition movies when, otherwise, they would not be supporting any format. HD-DVD doesn't have that advantage.

 

[plagiarize]

It's a pretty reasonable prediction based upon a few factors:

it's a completely reasonable prediction. heck it's still the most likely outcome if you ask me... but you don't know shit about the outcome. you believe 100% that Blu Ray is going to win... but you don't know.

a bit of a semantics argument i know, which i try to avoid, so consider that my last word on the know/believe thing.

 

[JCBossman]

I would LOVE to go format neutral, if I could get a COMBO player at a reasonable price that would be PERFECT, or a "Standalone" Blu-ray player, that didn't require me to buy a "Game console" that would work too.Unfortantely ONLY the HD-DVD camp gives me options for under my limit of $200

Edited for TRUTHeople are simply adopting PS3's as a game player(and becoming Blu-Ray supporters by default), and HD-DVD is being adopted more by 'format neutral' and 'hardcore enthusiast' types. I do not see this changing even with the ridiculous price drops as of late. I think that this is the Blu-Ray's camp's last stand and they know it.


The recent news of a 399 PS3 only worsens the situation for the HD-DVD camp.BUT NOT as MUCH as a $98 player hurts the Blu-Ray camp!

 

[AstroLad]

To an extent, yes, but the Playstation 3 broadens that market. People who are more hardcore videogame players ARE using their PS3s as a means to play High Definition movies when, otherwise, they would not be supporting any format. HD-DVD doesn't have that advantage.

Yeah, it certainly is a big advantage (arguably BD benefits PS3 more than the other way around, at least that was the prime motivating factor for my purchasing decision) and I really think the only way any HD format begins to gain mainstream acceptance in the next few months is if the PS3 hits a mass market price point around 300 reasonably soon, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

It's so hilarious how few people even know what HD content really is; I'm starting to doubt whether Americans will ever get it at this point.