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[Oni Jazar]

Numbers!

55:45 for week
64:36 for year
60:40 since inception

1. Transformers HD DVD 100.00
2. Heroes Season 1 HD DVD 47.91
3. Meet the Robinsons BD 44.88
4. Mr. Brooks BD 14.41
5. Hostel Part II BD 13.65
6. PotC: DMC BD 13.01
7. 300 HD 12.05
8. PotC CBP BD 11.61
9. 300 BD 11.26
10. Planet Earth HD 11.22

xx 2001 A Space Odyssey HD DVD 10.51
xx 2001 A Space Odyssey BD 10.40
xx Planet Earth BD 6.47
__________________

BD held it's own last week. Close call. Now the question will be if the Wall*Mart players will cause HD DVD to own the software charts. I personally still think that BD will win most every week (Shrek and Star Trek being the two weak points)

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

That's a great showing for HD-DVD. Some Transformers legs really help.

 

[kaching]

to be fair that was less of an 'opinion as fact' routine and more of a 'common knowledge must be fact' routine. not saying that that isn't a logical fallacy too. cause it is.

We're supposed to be able to readily "Google it, Yahoo Search it, MSN Search it." Even if it's inaccurate common knowledge, it's supposed nature as common knowledge should mean that it's a prevailing search result, but I'm still trying to figure out what kind of searchstring I need to use, because none I've tried so far bring back this common knowledge.

In any case, whatever the manufacturing cost, the current HDDVD player retail prices are very tempting. But I'm going hold off on buying any new hardware related to these two formats until dual players come down in price. Considering how agressive both standalone camps are getting with price reductions, I wouldn't expect it to be too long for the dual-players to really start to drop either.

 

[plagiarize]

I have no idea what their action means, but "license" refers to the membership fee that every BDA company has to pay, iirc. Something like 30 or 40k (chump change, really)

I'll see if I can dig that up where I read it, so let me verify before we run with that.

do you have to be part of the BDA to release blu-rays?

kaching... hey, i'm agreeing with you buddy so called common knowledge often isn't. 'everyone knows' is often followed by stuff that isn't something everyone knows.

you're probably right on the dual format players too. shouldn't take long at this rate.

 

[VanMardigan]

I'm actually surprised BD took that week, and that it wasn't closer. Although, the SI did go up one point for HD DVD, no?

kaching, did you try "HD DVD Player manufacturing costs" and "Blu Ray Player manufacturing costs?

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Are you serious? I dont even care about 3 of the versions, but if they really are selling all 5 for that price, then I retract my previous bitching. At that price point, its like only paying for one movie anyways.

Van: the A3, no question.

I think the new 25% coupon for the warner store is NVMB and if you order $60 of stuff it's free shipping. I've ordered from them before and got everything quickly, though you'll hear conflicting reports on that from various people online.

and I thought the A2 had a better chip than the A3? something Reon?

 

[Eel O'Brian]

Before I break the seal on this A2, does anyone know if they're still going to honor the 5 free mail-in movies rebate/offer for the $99 A2? I didn't get any rebate form from Wal-Mart, but I could always print one out from the website, I guess.

 

[Bebpo]

Anyone know what the deal is with Jin-Roh blu-ray? Was announced for 11/27 by Bandai Visual, but Amazon doesn't have it listed yet and that's less than a month away...

 

[jobber]

Before I break the seal on this A2, does anyone know if they're still going to honor the 5 free mail-in movies rebate/offer for the $99 A2? I didn't get any rebate form from Wal-Mart, but I could always print one out from the website, I guess.

yes.

 

[dallow_bg]

BD will hold this week as well.

Spiderman.

Also this coming week's new release for for BD looks really good.

The Aviator
Battle of Britain
Beowulf & Grendel
A Bridge Too Far
Cars
Oldboy
The Pixar Short Films Collection: Volume 1
Ratatouille

And collections:

Best of Blu-ray, Action
Best of Blu-ray, Family
Blu-ray 4-Pack: Action Movies
Blu-ray 4-Pack: Disney Movies
Blu-ray 4-Pack: Family Movies

 

[Elios83]

Does this week take in account the first week of HD-DVD player at 199/178$?
I think Toshiba is playing a really dangerous game, they're betting all the farm on this holyday season. If they end up being beaten by a good margin by Blu Ray this holyday season when they give their players nearly for free and BD players are at least 400$, there will be nothing they can do but admit total defeat.

 

[ChrisJames]

Shit, I woke up late, so I didn't get to Wal-Mart til 9:30 and they were all ready sold out. The guy said they got in ~20. I checked out the other Wal-Mart (only a few miles away) and it was the same situation there. I guess my 360 add-on will have to suffice for the time being.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Hmm, seems Warner let their Blu-Ray license expire on 31/10...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12092651&postcount=11
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12094802&postcount=25

Hmm, any more info on this?

Someone on AVS forum said it so it MUST be true!
Not like they said in an interview yesterday that they were neutral or anything...

 

[Elios83]

BD will hold this week as well.

Spiderman.

Also this coming week's new release for for BD looks really good.

The Aviator
Battle of Britain
Beowulf & Grendel
A Bridge Too Far
Cars
Oldboy
The Pixar Short Films Collection: Volume 1
Ratatouille

And collections:

Best of Blu-ray, Action
Best of Blu-ray, Family
Blu-ray 4-Pack: Action Movies
Blu-ray 4-Pack: Disney Movies
Blu-ray 4-Pack: Family Movies

And PS3 at 399$

 

[RaidenZR]

Objectively speaking, the only tough weeks Blu-Ray will potentially have for the rest of the year are when Bourne, Shrek 3, and Star Trek TOS S1 releases. Unless the base landscape dramatically changes with the cheap hardware all of a sudden, I don't think anyone's expecting gigantic shifts in the software sales.

*Not counting any unforseen BOGOF or Black Friday ridiculousness on either side.

 

[mr stroke]

Shit, I woke up late, so I didn't get to Wal-Mart til 9:30 and they were all ready sold out. The guy said they got in ~20. I checked out the other Wal-Mart (only a few miles away) and it was the same situation there. I guess my 360 add-on will have to suffice for the time being.

I checked and called every Walmart in the Sacramento area at 9am and they were all gone..

I would asume we will see a ton of these 99$ HD DVD players on Black Friday though

 

[Eel O'Brian]

yes.

Thank you!

 

[Oni Jazar]

Objectively speaking, the only tough weeks Blu-Ray will potentially have for the rest of the year are when Bourne, Shrek 3, and Star Trek TOS S1 releases. Unless the base landscape dramatically changes with the cheap hardware all of a sudden, I don't think anyone's expecting gigantic shifts in the software sales.

*Not counting any unforseen BOGOF or Black Friday ridiculousness on either side.

What will be most interesting is the sales of Harry Potter. That is the largest multi-platform title. I think Warner is going to be looking very closely at how that performs.

 

[The Main Event]

Numbers!

55:45 for week
64:36 for year
60:40 since inception

1. Transformers HD DVD 100.00
2. Heroes Season 1 HD DVD 47.91
3. Meet the Robinsons BD 44.88
4. Mr. Brooks BD 14.41
5. Hostel Part II BD 13.65
6. PotC: DMC BD 13.01
7. 300 HD 12.05
8. PotC CBP BD 11.61
9. 300 BD 11.26
10. Planet Earth HD 11.22

xx 2001 A Space Odyssey HD DVD 10.51
xx 2001 A Space Odyssey BD 10.40
xx Planet Earth BD 6.47
__________________

BD held it's own last week. Close call. Now the question will be if the Wall*Mart players will cause HD DVD to own the software charts. I personally still think that BD will win most every week (Shrek and Star Trek being the two weak points)

Really interesting numbers. I think it's the first week where 300 HD outsold the BD version (albeit barely).

The 360 add-on sale sure did have an effect that week.

 

[mr stroke]

dunno if its late or not-

but AVS posted this too-

Crutch Field HD-DVD players A2
109.99$

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-F6N2anVaKkw/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=279850&i=052HDA2&tp=171

129.99
+
this promo code-3A706

=109.99$

 

[Vyer]

Man I was perfectly happy to sit this High def thing out until a format was decided. But a 100 dollar player is hard to ignore.

I have a 720 tv, and I was looking to get something to upscale while I wait. No matter what happens, only losing 100 bucks would not be as big a deal.

Hmmm....

 

[SUPREME1]

Very loosely related (Heroes/HD DVD) and definitely off-topic:


Jim Lee's cover of the HEROES TPB

"Above, is a black and white of the Heroes TPB cover. It's the one for the Direct Market.

Alex Ross did the mass market one and nailed the likenesses. Portraits aren't my thing but I had a great time doing the piece. Here's a link to the color one on TV Guide.com...kind of small and doesn't do justice to Dave Stewart's awesome colors. Will see if I can get a larger file."

found at:

http://gelatometti2.blogspot.com/2007/10/im-ok-youre-ok.html#links

(Wildstorm's blog - Gelatometti)

 

[OokieSpookie]

What will be most interesting is the sales of Harry Potter. That is the largest multi-platform title. I think Warner is going to be looking very closely at how that performs.

Hd has no more excuses anymore.
In the last two weeks they have had the biggest possible influx of new player owners between the 360 add on deal + Heroes + any 2 movies and now this A2 thing.
If they can not win a week before the year is out what is left?

I would think Warner is thinking something along those lines also.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Really interesting numbers. I think it's the first week where 300 HD outsold the BD version (albeit barely).

The 360 add-on sale sure did have an effect that week.

I know it is not real evidence or anything but I would say about 70% of all of the people I know that picked up the HD add on for Heroes picked 300 as one of their free movies.
Most went with Transformers and 300 to be exact.
All and all it was a great business movie with that deal.

 

[rubso]

“With all the retail momentum behind HD-DVD, I've even seen prices as low as $164 for the $179 Xbox 360 player that include a free copy of 'Heroes: Season 1' on HD-DVD, plus the free movie in the box along with five free mail-in offer that comes with your purchase, regardless of where you buy," said Jordi Ribas, General Manager of HD-DVD, Microsoft. "I can't speak to specific numbers, but based on recent NPD data, there have been more Xbox 360 HD-DVD players sold than all Blu-ray standalone players combined. The Playstation 3 simply hasn't been the gamer changer Sony had hoped it would be."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-going-to-lose-hd+dvd-blu+ray-or-you-318176.php

posted?

 

[koam]

Numbers!

55:45 for week
64:36 for year
60:40 since inception

1. Transformers HD DVD 100.00
2. Heroes Season 1 HD DVD 47.91
3. Meet the Robinsons BD 44.88
4. Mr. Brooks BD 14.41
5. Hostel Part II BD 13.65
6. PotC: DMC BD 13.01
7. 300 HD 12.05
8. PotC CBP BD 11.61
9. 300 BD 11.26
10. Planet Earth HD 11.22

xx 2001 A Space Odyssey HD DVD 10.51
xx 2001 A Space Odyssey BD 10.40
xx Planet Earth BD 6.47
__________________

BD held it's own last week. Close call. Now the question will be if the Wall*Mart players will cause HD DVD to own the software charts. I personally still think that BD will win most every week (Shrek and Star Trek being the two weak points)

How does one read these charts?

 

[The Main Event]

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Video_Clips/DreamWorks/Toshiba/High-Def_Disc_Marketing/Video:_New_Shrek-Themed_HD_DVD_Commercials/1138

Toshiba and DreamWorks have unveiled a series of new commercials featuring characters from 'Shrek' extolling the virtues of HD DVD.

Designed as tie-in with the upcoming HD DVD launch of 'Shrek the Third,' the new spots feature two two of the movie's characters -- Gingy and Donkey -- commenting on how they look in high-def to a frazzled DreamWorks executive.

The two commercials began airing Thursday, and are expected to run nationally through mid-November. The spots were produced by Austin-based ad agency GSD&M's Idea City, who have also apparently produced a matching print campaign.

As we've previously reported, 'Shrek the Third' is due to hit HD DVD day-and-date with the standard DVD on November 13 in a feature-packed next-gen edition brimming with exclusive content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxuJDgxIpR8

 

[thaivo]

Does this week take in account the first week of HD-DVD player at 199/178$?
I think Toshiba is playing a really dangerous game, they're betting all the farm on this holyday season. If they end up being beaten by a good margin by Blu Ray this holyday season when they give their players nearly for free and BD players are at least 400$, there will be nothing they can do but admit total defeat.

Well, it makes sense for them to "bet the farm" this holiday, since this season may be the deciding one. This is especially clear from the fact tha Warner will likely make its mind up something in early 2008 (CES?).

From personal experience, there were 50 people at the store that I was at to pick up the A2, so there is some demand at least for the $100 HD DVD player.

 

[Days like these...]

http://hddvdformat.blogspot.com/



Heard nothing but great things about that movie (I love David Cronenberg's work). Didn't have time to catch it in theaters.

*Adds to wishlist*

I liked the first 3/4 of the movie the rest not so much. I would definitely rent it first especially at $40 that is way too expensive. wtf universal?

On another note I had no luck finding an A2 I guess I'll just get an A3 later on.

 

[Maxwell House]

Does this week take in account the first week of HD-DVD player at 199/178$?
I think Toshiba is playing a really dangerous game, they're betting all the farm on this holyday season. If they end up being beaten by a good margin by Blu Ray this holyday season when they give their players nearly for free and BD players are at least 400$, there will be nothing they can do but admit total defeat.

Why do people assume Toshiba is taking such a hit on these players? Wal-Mart seems to be subsidizing the price more than Toshiba.

 

[The Main Event]

How does one read these charts?

For every 100 copies of Transformers, 47.91 copies of Heroes got sold.
For every 100 copies of Transformers, 44.88 copies of Meet the Robinsons got sold.

Etc...

 

[Elios83]

How does one read these charts?

Sales datas are normalized relatively to the top seller.

1. Transformers HD DVD 100.00
2. Heroes Season 1 HD DVD 47.91
3. Meet the Robinsons BD 44.88
4. Mr. Brooks BD 14.41
5. Hostel Part II BD 13.65
6. PotC: DMC BD 13.01
7. 300 HD 12.05
8. PotC CBP BD 11.61
9. 300 BD 11.26
10. Planet Earth HD 11.22


Heroes has sold 47.91% of what Transformed did, Robinsons 44.88% and so on.
Of course one should know the exact sales of the top seller to determine actual numbers of everyone.

 

[OokieSpookie]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-going-to-lose-hd+dvd-blu+ray-or-you-318176.php

posted?

Recent NPD data would be the data for the week that you got Heroes + any 2 movies of your choice when you bought the add on.
I would certainly hope that they would have sold alot ...

 

[Maxwell House]

http://hddvdformat.blogspot.com/



Heard nothing but great things about that movie (I love David Cronenberg's work). Didn't have time to catch it in theaters.

*Adds to wishlist*

That is awesome news. Eastern Promises is a fucking awesome movie.

 

[FIREBABY]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-going-to-lose-hd+dvd-blu+ray-or-you-318176.php

posted?

:lol Oh boy.

 

[Snah]

Well, it makes sense for them to "bet the farm" this holiday, since this season may be the deciding one. This is especially clear from the fact tha Warner will likely make its mind up something in early 2008 (CES?).

From personal experience, there were 50 people at the store that I was at to pick up the A2, so there is some demand at least for the $100 HD DVD player.

Can you imagine how much demand a $99 blu-ray player would generate? :lol

people in general will jump on great deals like this, and let's face it: it's a tremendous deal.

but i still don't see it mattering much this holiday season. what happens when this holiday season ends and the war is still 2:1 with blu-ray and hd-dvd making gains, but no one making a huge lead over another? I think this is the 'worst case' scenario for blu-ray. Will Warner and other companies see that HD-DVD did all it can do and that it still didn't make much of a difference in deciding this war? I can't see CE manufacturers wanting to jump on board with HD-DVD's insane player losses strategy either.

I think blu-ray's success this holiday season depends on how well the PS3 sells and how many units sony can get into the hands of customers.

 

[OokieSpookie]

How does one read these charts?

55:45 for week
64:36 for year
60:40 since inception

Means Blu won with 55% of movie sales this week, 64% for the year, and 60% since it came out.

 

[Battlezone]

dunno if its late or not-

but AVS posted this too-

Crutch Field HD-DVD players A2
109.99$

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-F6N2anVaKkw/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=279850&i=052HDA2&tp=171

129.99
+
this promo code-3A706

=109.99$

Fantastic! I'd already missed out on the two Best Buy deals, and Walmart was a no go. Thanks!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

rubso, if that article is comparing the add-on with non-PS3 units sold, how does one come to the conclusion that the PS3 hasn't been a "game changer"? It's precisely because the PS3 is the cheapest BluRay player that the standalones haven't sold more.

Good lord, more blog-fueled FUD with shaky logic. Given the logic, I don't even trust the purported "fact" that the add-on has sold more than standalones.

 

[OokieSpookie]

That is awesome news. Eastern Promises is a fucking awesome movie.

It looked really good.
Never got around to catching it at the movies, so will definitely check it out.

 

[dallow_bg]

What will be most interesting is the sales of Harry Potter. That is the largest multi-platform title. I think Warner is going to be looking very closely at how that performs.

Good point!

 

[OokieSpookie]

rubso, if that article is comparing the add-on with non-PS3 units sold, how does one come to the conclusion that the PS3 hasn't been a "game changer"? It's precisely because the PS3 is the cheapest BluRay player that the standalones haven't sold more.

Good lord, more blog-fueled FUD with shaky logic. Given the logic, I don't even trust the purported "fact" that the add-on has sold more than standalones.

It is Kotaku ...
Nothing more really needs to be said.

 

[mollipen]

rubso, if that article is comparing the add-on with non-PS3 units sold, how does one come to the conclusion that the PS3 hasn't been a "game changer"? It's precisely because the PS3 is the cheapest BluRay player that the standalones haven't sold more.

Exactly what I was thinking. He mentioned sales compared to specifically stand-alone Blu-ray players, then takes a jab at the PS3 when it has nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[Zombie James]

Transformers and Heroes on top this week and still not enough.

 

[Elios83]

Why do people assume Toshiba is taking such a hit on these players? Wal-Mart seems to be subsidizing the price more than Toshiba.

That's not the point, Toshiba could even sell those at a profit.
The problem is that they have put themselves in a desperate mode situation where if they cannot win by basically giving away their low end players ( 98$ is a CRAZY price, it's as if Sony priced PS3 at 199$ this holyday season), by doing promotions everywhere with deals with key retailers like Wal Mart, by buying exclusives like Transformers and Shrek.... well if thy cannot win with all these things, there's really nothing left they can do, all their weapons used. They can just admit they have lost so in my opinion they have taken a very risky path, if things don't go well during November and December for them (BLu Ray software sals are still higher), movie majors will start to abandon them as early as Q1 2008.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Transformers and Heroes on top this week and still not enough.

Which makes me wonder if the critical mass of BluRay players is such that the sales are going to be based less around weely tentpoles and more steady sales overall for the format.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Stuff like Planet Earth and 2001 get good HD-DVD traction because the average HD-DVD owner is definitely older than the average BD owner (PS3 gamers make up a big chunk of the crowd).

Harry Potter is interesting. You are selling to the parents and not the kids. PS3 owners are probably more likely to be childless (higher concentration of teenagers and twentysomethings) than HD-DVD owners.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Which makes me wonder if the critical mass of BluRay players is such that the sales are going to be based less around weely tentpoles and more steady sales overall for the format.

I think to be honest it is just the fact that people who are enough into movies to spend 400+ on a stand alone are just the types that buy more movies.
As far as the PS3 goes, it is just a wildcard.

 

[dalyr95]

Surely if the $99 is a game changer, then the if need be the BR consortium can lower their players to ~$150 to match, and isn't there more CE producers in the BR consortium to share the risk. But as long as they are winning week in, week out, do they need to?

 

[mrklaw]

Can you imagine how much demand a $99 blu-ray player would generate? :lol

people in general will jump on great deals like this, and let's face it: it's a tremendous deal.

but will it generate demand for software? Prices on software aren't nearly at the level that a $100 player would suggest.

With all the retail momentum behind HD-DVD, I've even seen prices as low as $164 for the $179 Xbox 360 player that include a free copy of 'Heroes: Season 1' on HD-DVD, plus the free movie in the box along with five free mail-in offer that comes with your purchase, regardless of where you buy," said Jordi Ribas, General Manager of HD-DVD, Microsoft. "I can't speak to specific numbers, but based on recent NPD data, there have been more Xbox 360 HD-DVD players sold than all Blu-ray standalone players combined. The Playstation 3 simply hasn't been the gamer changer Sony had hoped it would be."

Please just fuck off with these quotes (shooting quotee, not quoter).

The guy is saying that the HDDVD addon sold more than bluray standalone players. Fair enough, although I don'thave the numbers at hand. Then he goes on to say the PS3 hasn't been the game changer Sony had hoped.

But he isn't including PS3 in those 'bluray standalones' figures, so he's stating one thing and implying something compltely unrelated.

Worse, he's actually falling into his own trap. If more HDDVD addons have sold than bluray standalones, and lots of HDDVD standalones have also sold, then that means that overall HDDVD installed base is massively more than Bluray standalone installed base. Lines up well with what Toshiba have been saying - 2:1 in favour of HDDVD.

Yet software is 2:1 in favour of bluray. So PS3 is *exactly* the game changer Sony had hoped.