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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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VanMardigan

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OokieSpookie said:
Quite true, but in my opinion people will not buy movies right away if they have five to watch already either.

The five movies are a rebate, they won't have those to watch right away. The 3rd gen players come with two packed in, and Best Buy currently has a sale for two more (three now?).

Either way, you already said their goal is to sell movies, and they have to start by getting folks to buy the players. Remember, they don't have the luxury of a trojan horse player in a popular video game machine. So they have to drop the price on the standalones and offer as much added incentive as possible (free movies).

I would argue that the PS3 demo, Blu-ray demo and the HD DVD demo are mostly the same: Young adults (20-35) with significant discretionary income.

I would guess they overlap, sure, though I think the average HD DVD fan (before this blowout sale) is a slightly older movie fan. You can tell there is a large 18-25 demographic because of the Transformers and 300 sales (probably the 360 add-on demographic), but some catalog titles have done well.
 
VanMardigan said:
The five movies are a rebate, they won't have those to watch right away. The 3rd gen players come with two packed in, and Best Buy currently has a sale for two more (three now?).

Either way, you already said their goal is to sell movies, and they have to start by getting folks to buy the players. Remember, they don't have the luxury of a trojan horse player in a popular video game machine. So they have to drop the price on the standalones and offer as much added incentive as possible (free movies).



I would guess they overlap, sure, though I think the average HD DVD fan (before this blowout sale) is a slightly older movie fan. You can tell there is a large 18-25 demographic because of the Transformers and 300 sales (probably the 360 add-on demographic), but some catalog titles have done well.

Actually it is the two in box and the any three of your choice from in store that I am talking about.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
Actually it is the two in box and the any three of your choice from in store that I am talking about.


Well, that's only at Best Buy right now, so unless you want to start another debate about retailer driven vs manufacturer driven..............

You know, I realized there is one retailer who's missing out on all this buzz and store traffic because they were stupid enough to go "Blu Ray standalone only". I hope whatever the BDA paid them was worth it to miss out on these insane deals and the traffic they've produced. For sure, there haven't been any reported lines to buy a $400 Blu Ray standalone outside their stores. :lol
 
VanMardigan said:
Well, that's only at Best Buy right now, so unless you want to start another debate about retailer driven vs manufacturer driven..............

That would be because my original post that you decided to quote was in response to someone saying that Best Buy is upping it to 3 movies when you buy the A3 starting tomorrow...
What in the nine hells are you babbling about.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
That would be because my original post that you decided to quote was in response to someone saying that Best Buy is upping it to 3 movies when you buy the A3 starting tomorrow...
What in the nine hells are you babbling about.

In your response to that deal, you called it desperation, when it's Best Buy only offering this deal right now and you have no way of knowing whether this was retailer or manufacturer driven. Comprende?
 
VanMardigan said:
Well, that's only at Best Buy right now, so unless you want to start another debate about retailer driven vs manufacturer driven..............

You know, I realized there is one retailer who's missing out on all this buzz and store traffic because they were stupid enough to go "Blu Ray standalone only". I hope whatever the BDA paid them was worth it to miss out on these insane deals and the traffic they've produced. For sure, there haven't been any reported lines to buy a $400 Blu Ray standalone outside their stores. :lol

Yeah, because losing money on items is an awesome business model.
 
VanMardigan said:
In your response to that deal, you called it desperation, when it's Best Buy only offering this deal right now and you have no way of knowing whether this was retailer or manufacturer driven. Comprende?

Valid point.


Was looking around and found this for anyone into Donnie Yen movies

Flash Point on BD coming soon
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
VanMardigan said:
For sure, there haven't been any reported lines to buy a $400 Blu Ray standalone outside their stores. :lol

Most of them probably get theirs on eBay. Oh wait!

That was low of me, and I hope you can forgive me.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Groder Mullet said:
Yeah, because losing money on items is an awesome business model.

I don't think retailers would make any movies if it didn't benefit them. The excitement over these (including insane internet traffic and lines at stores) suggest that they made off just fine. I'd like to see how much excitement Target's Blu Ray standalone store section generated these last couple of days. Somehow, I don't think they're happy right now with their decision.

The holiday season is all about building buzz, and unless the BDA builds some buzz by dropping prices on standalones (which they've recently commented against), Target will have to make do with whatever the BDA gave it, while Kmart, WalMart, Best Buy, and a host of online-only merchants have an unexpected surge to their HD standalone department, regardless of who you believe is footing the bill.

Blockbuster may want to consider their BR only stance as well. That didn't work out for them either. :lol

At this point, any retailer that's picking a side is plain stupid, and that INCLUDES HD DVD exclusive Kmart (as far as not stocking any BD standalones).

Most of them probably get theirs on eBay. Oh wait!

That was low, man. And uncalled for. Plus, it wasn't even a standalone I got ripped off on. :( Honestly, chubs...............
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
VanMardigan said:
That was low, man. And uncalled for. Plus, it wasn't even a standalone I got ripped off on. :( Honestly, chubs...............

I already said it was low of me. I shouldn't have posted it. :(

I'm sorry. Please, forgive me. *hugs*

Snah said:

Gah, I hate sub-generic reviews like that.

however it features a very interesting BD-J enabled game titled, “Gusteau’s Gourmet Game.” This should appeal to both Children and Adults.

And what is it? Gah, it doesn't say. :p
 

Snah

Banned
chubigans said:
I already said it was low of me. I shouldn't have posted it. :(

I'm sorry. Please, forgive me. *hugs*



Gah, I hate sub-generic reviews like that.

however it features a very interesting BD-J enabled game titled, “Gusteau’s Gourmet Game.” This should appeal to both Children and Adults.

And what is it? Gah, it doesn't say. :p

yeah, but at least he mentions that the picture is very sharp (comparing it to crank), with an AVC encode and no macroblocking. seems like a very solid disney release.

disney has been awesome lately.
 
chubigans said:
I already said it was low of me. I shouldn't have posted it. :(

I'm sorry. Please, forgive me. *hugs*



Gah, I hate sub-generic reviews like that.

however it features a very interesting BD-J enabled game titled, “Gusteau’s Gourmet Game.” This should appeal to both Children and Adults.

And what is it? Gah, it doesn't say. :p

Beatboy should seriously revamp his site. His review isn't even fully complete:

In conclusion, the purchase of this disc simply put, is a no-brainer. It is reference material for both PQ and AQ, the story is strong, the Special

the Special....................?
 

Alcibiades

Member
it sounds like something an HD DVD fan would write to make Blu-ray fans look crazy and stupid... I say 70% chance it's fake...

that said, I love how the other posters encourage him... :lol
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
if its true, his wife isnt really at the other walmart... shes at the lawyers getting papers drawn up.
 

YYZ

Junior Member
Alcibiades said:
it sounds like something an HD DVD fan would write to make Blu-ray fans look crazy and stupid... I say 70% chance it's fake...

that said, I love how the other posters encourage him... :lol
I know, I thought the rest of the posts would be relentless bashing, but they're as sad as he is :lol
 
OokieSpookie said:
Valid point.


Was looking around and found this for anyone into Donnie Yen movies

Flash Point on BD coming soon


I've got close to a 100 Martial Arts DVDs (some of them have a couple movies per dvd). I'm a huge fan of uber-bad 70's kung-fu flicks with their horrible dubbing, crappy sound effects and cheesy stories (but that's what made them so freaking cool!) all the way up to some of todays gems of real quality (last one I really enjoyed was Ong-Bak)
 

Vyer

Member
chubigans said:
Behold, the most depressing post I've ever seen in this needless format war.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=22369

...

I think the worst part is how the rest of the thread seems totally fine with that OP. Quotes about the 'war' and 'natural selection' and so on....just wow.

That forum (and wherever its HD-DVD equivalent is) is a horrible, horrible place. Both should be nuked off the Internet.

I hate fanboys with an intense passion.
 

Argyle

Member
Vyer said:
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I think the worst part is how the rest of the thread seems totally fine with that OP. Quotes about the 'war' and 'natural selection' and so on....just wow.

That forum (and wherever its HD-DVD equivalent is) is a horrible, horrible place. Both should be nuked off the Internet.

I hate fanboys with an intense passion.

Sadly the other forum seems to be the AVSForum general HD media area...Amir has managed to cultivate a legion of fanboys there, to the point that they chased off all the Blu-ray industry folk...
 
Vyer said:
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I think the worst part is how the rest of the thread seems totally fine with that OP. Quotes about the 'war' and 'natural selection' and so on....just wow.

That forum (and wherever its HD-DVD equivalent is) is a horrible, horrible place. Both should be nuked off the Internet.

I hate fanboys with an intense passion.

What kind of idiot goes to Wal-Mart with their "Holy Mission to Inform the Uneducated..." (pretty much what he did)? Seriously. I call BS to what he said. More than anything, he was simply rambling off at the mouth. Honestly, who in their right mind is going to be able to convince 90% of everyone out there to not get one high def dvd player over another when the price difference is THAT great? I can see it now:

Blu-Ray Supporter: "Hey, got a sec?"

Wal-Mart Customer: "Ummm...okay....sup?"

Blu-Ray Supporter: "I see you're in line to buy that 98.00$ HD-DVD player...."

Wal-Mart Customer: "Umm..yeah. It's pretty cheap. My old DVD player is about to die on me, so I figured, why not, ya know?"

Blu-Ray Supporter: "Nah, you don't want to buy that. The technology isn't that great. You're going to really hate yourself for buying that thing later."

Wal-Mart Customer: "Really? So it's not that good?"

Blu-Ray Supporter: "Oh yeah, it's totally crap. Hold on a sec...." *looks around* "Okay, be right back. I see what you want...."

Wal-Mart Customer: "......."

Blu-Ray Supporter: *huffing and puffing, holding a Blu-Ray box* "Here. This is what you really want to buy. It's totally better than that thing...." *points at the HD-DVD player box*

Wal-Mart Customer: "Hmmm....you sound like you know what you're talking about, eh?"

Blu-Ray Supporter: "Oh yeah, I totally do, man. Trust me, you'll love this thing."

Wal-Mart Customer: "Okay, sounds great. I'll buy that one then instead."

Blu-Ray Supporter: *cheers*

Wal-Mart Customer: "Okay....let me put this HD-DVD player back and I'll just take the one you've got. By the way, how much do those things cost?"

Blu-Ray Supporter: "Oh, it's a little bit more than that piece of crap you were wanting to get. But you'll be happier in the long run. Just go ahead and buy it."

Wal-Mart Customer: "Ummm...how much does it cost? When you say 'A little bit more...' define 'A little bit more...' for me."

Blu-Ray Supporter: "Oh, it's only 399.99$. But hey! They're dropping the price al the time! You'll be happy you bought it. Hey! Where are you going? No! Don't buy that HD-DVD player! You're going to regret it! You're a tool! A sheep! They bought you love with those low prices! Don't do it!" *sobs uncontrollably as the Wal-Mart Customer walks away with their new HD-DVD purchase*

Moral of the Story?

Don't try to talk folks into buying the more expensive of products to someone while in a Wal-Mart. If they were willing to listen to you, both of you wouldn't be *IN* Wal-Mart to begin with, now would you?
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Watched Clerks 2 today
Since I had the DVD, I looked at that first upconverted then the HD-DVD version

HD-DVD version looked a lot better....I mean A LOT

I'm not much of a movie watcher but maybe this will change soon.
I wish it would change the aspect radio of some of the tv shows I have on DVD that's not widescreen -_-

BTW, for the new owners like myself, the 5 free movies deal has added new stuff

http://promotions.newegg.com/toshiba/102307/images/5Free_OnlineForm_R08.pdf
 
Strange how some folks (like myself) can watch Clerks and just not "get it" like others do.

But give me some freakin' Monty Python and put me in the same room as the Clerks fans and I get to watch looks of "WTFISTHISSHIT" coming across their faces.

To each their own I guess.

BTW, care to post pics of the upscaled version vs. the hd-dvd version for way of comparison?
 

White Man

Member
I find all of the advocacy stuff really sad. People aren't shilling for anything worthwhile. They are formats, fucking formats. I guess the media really is the message in every sense, eh?

I'm the person that gets screwed most by this war: the actual *movie* enthusiast. If I want my itches scratched, I have to support both these formats and have my library be split. When I look at the formats on their own merits, so far it's all been six of one, half a dozen of the other--the end product is of the same (or extremely similar) quality. I just have to roll my eyes when I see people get enthusiastic over one format or the other. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

I am watching Children of Men in HD now and it is :eek: I watched Halloween the other day, and the fidelity shocked me. My DVD copy was a bargain bin cheapie, so I don't know what the latest reissues were like, but if it weren't for the 70s titles, colors, and the ultra-70s clothes, I would have thought that movie was filmed in the past 10 or 15 years. Absolutely marvelous looking, and this was Halloween, not Lawrence of Arabia (hurry up on that one, please).
 

CoG

Member
chubigans said:
Behold, the most depressing post I've ever seen in this needless format war.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=22369

Can't be real. I doubt anyone would walk in hoping to get a $99 player and be upsold to a $499 PS3. Sounds like shens. If it's real *gah*

I've seen just as many suspect posts from HD-DVD supporters. "I bought three A2s and told all my buddies and they got 2 - 3 each as Christmas gifts." All fanboy bullshit.

This format war makes the console war look like kumbia land. The fanboys are 100x more vial than console fanboys. I guess it's because if the 360 doesn't sell as many units as the Wii, the 360 just won't up and die, as will have to happen to one of the HDM formats eventually.

I got a PS3. Upscaled DVDs look fine enough for most content. I'm not buying another player until this mess is sorted out, $99 or not. I got one open HDMI port and I ain't giving it up for another HDM player.
 
White Man said:
I find all of the advocacy stuff really sad. People aren't shilling for anything worthwhile. They are formats, fucking formats. I guess the media really is the message in every sense, eh?

I'm the person that gets screwed most by this war: the actual *movie* enthusiast. If I want my itches scratched, I have to support both these formats and have my library be split. When I look at the formats on their own merits, so far it's all been six of one, half a dozen of the other--the end product is of the same (or extremely similar) quality. I just have to roll my eyes when I see people get enthusiastic over one format or the other. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

I am watching Children of Men in HD now and it is :eek: I watched Halloween the other day, and the fidelity shocked me. My DVD copy was a bargain bin cheapie, so I don't know what the latest reissues were like, but if it weren't for the 70s titles, colors, and the ultra-70s clothes, I would have thought that movie was filmed in the past 10 or 15 years. Absolutely marvelous looking, and this was Halloween, not Lawrence of Arabia (hurry up on that one, please).

I will say this about the next gen DVD formats currently waging war of the ep33n with each other: Right now, there is very little OMFG I MUST HAVE reasons to own one over the other. It's not like the whole Tape vs. CD ..or.. VHS tape vs. DVD.... in generations past. Now? I can 100% assure you (none really needed) that if you take an average person and don't let them know which High Def feed they were watching, they'd be completely unable to tell which was Blu-Ray and which was HD-DVD.

What would be nice, is that if neither format wins the war, players & optical media for both formats got cheap enough that folks ended up having both of them out there. Then we'd all be bickering like Ford vs. GM vs. Mopar vs. your mom vs. whatever.
 

Argyle

Member
Barnolde said:
The best part is that they're going to hook up their PS3s via composite.

Probably, but I'd also like to smack the nitwit who thought packing only composite cables with the HD A2 was a good idea :p (fortunately I had an HDMI cable lying around, but I wonder if everyone who buys it will be savvy enough to know NOT to use the cable that came with it...especially since the outside of the box says nothing about what kind of cables are packed in...)
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
White Man said:
I am watching Children of Men in HD now and it is :eek: I watched Halloween the other day, and the fidelity shocked me. My DVD copy was a bargain bin cheapie, so I don't know what the latest reissues were like, but if it weren't for the 70s titles, colors, and the ultra-70s clothes, I would have thought that movie was filmed in the past 10 or 15 years. Absolutely marvelous looking, and this was Halloween, not Lawrence of Arabia (hurry up on that one, please).

The 25th Anniversary edition of Halloween (DiviMax) is incredible, and that's just a regular DVD. I had the same reaction you did when I saw it for the first time; they really did a great job in re-mastering it/color correcting it/whatever the hell these people do.
 
DiatribeEQ said:
Strange how some folks (like myself) can watch Clerks and just not "get it" like others do.

But give me some freakin' Monty Python and put me in the same room as the Clerks fans and I get to watch looks of "WTFISTHISSHIT" coming across their faces.

To each their own I guess.?



Love em both....
 
White Man said:
I'm the person that gets screwed most by this war: the actual *movie* enthusiast. If I want my itches scratched, I have to support both these formats and have my library be split. When I look at the formats on their own merits, so far it's all been six of one, half a dozen of the other--the end product is of the same (or extremely similar) quality. I just have to roll my eyes when I see people get enthusiastic over one format or the other. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.


This is exactly why the Paramount deal ticked me off. Before that, it looked like this wold be over by the end of the holiday season. I don't care which wins, just *one* please. The cost of switching would totally be worth it to me, and the existence of the PS3 means that there would even be an ebay market to dump my discs as they become available on HD-DVD.
 
chubigans said:
Behold, the most depressing post I've ever seen in this needless format war.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=22369

lolwut

Who does this? I mean... who does this?!

I don't care about the whole format war. I only clicked on the thread because there were like a jillion posts and I was curious what the fuss was. Then I clicked on the above. Jesus. If we give the guy the benefit of the doubt and presume that he's not lying about being married... what a couple! Wowza.

And the responses! People encourage this and seem to believe that a) it's working and b) it's actually worth doing. And there's a rift between "Blus" and "Reds"? Who the hell are these psychotic people? You can't get people to protest a war, but this asshole will hang out in a Wal-Mart to keep people from buying an HDDVD?

K... I'm done.

P.S. I don't use exclamation marks. Ever. That's how shocked I am.

Edit: Great. Now I've become obsessed with this other thread:

Some asshole said:
So why my blather? It is simply this: Know thine enemy.

The author of the 2,300-year-old treatise The Art of War, Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu, warned, "If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat."

This thread's OP has shown that education can make a difference. This needs to be stepped up to a much larger scale or the masses may very well once again choose the inferior format with their wallets.
 

Midas

Member
Haha, somehow this whole thing is actually worse than the console war. How could that happen? Some people are really embarrassing.
 

stressboy

Member
Oni Jazar said:
You didn't read the thread on AVS where some guy regularly went to Best Buy, stood by the HD movie titles and handed customers personally made fliers on why HD DVD is better then Blu-ray and how lying and deceitful the Blu-ray association is. His website:

http://www.campaignhd.com/

And Best Buy allowed someone to do this?
 
VanMardigan said:
I don't think retailers would make any movies if it didn't benefit them. The excitement over these (including insane internet traffic and lines at stores) suggest that they made off just fine. I'd like to see how much excitement Target's Blu Ray standalone store section generated these last couple of days. Somehow, I don't think they're happy right now with their decision.

The holiday season is all about building buzz, and unless the BDA builds some buzz by dropping prices on standalones (which they've recently commented against), Target will have to make do with whatever the BDA gave it, while Kmart, WalMart, Best Buy, and a host of online-only merchants have an unexpected surge to their HD standalone department, regardless of who you believe is footing the bill.

Blockbuster may want to consider their BR only stance as well. That didn't work out for them either. :lol

At this point, any retailer that's picking a side is plain stupid, and that INCLUDES HD DVD exclusive Kmart (as far as not stocking any BD standalones).

Does dropping the price and offering 10 free discs drive excitement around HDDVD? Sure. Is it going to drive traffic to the stores? Yep. But is that traffic going to actually buy anything else? Dollars to doughnuts they don't. You can probably imagine who the typical HiDef buyer is and who it isn't. It definitely isn't Susie Homemaker who is going to do all of her shopping (if your talking about WM, TGT and KMart. Best Buy draws a different customer) at that store as well. And with so many free movies being given away, they aren't going to make any money off of additional software either. Trust me, somebody is losing money over these incentives. Either the retailer is biting the bullet (maybe) or Toshiba is funding the cuts (probably).

Now you do have a point that it probably doesn't make much sense to only support one format at this point. But Blockbuster's woes go FAR beyond the tiny market that is HiDef discs.
 

MoxManiac

Member
Midas said:
Haha, somehow this whole thing is actually worse than the console war. How could that happen? Some people are really embarrassing.

Yeah, i've never heard about someone passing out flyers in a store on why 360 or PS3 or wii or whatever is a bad console or something. WTF? :lol
 

VanMardigan

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OokieSpookie said:
Over 700 A2 players have appeared on Ebay in the last couple of days...I feel bad for people who lined up actually wanting to take one home.

Yeah, my sister couldn't get one. :( I hope they sell for less than $100 on auction.

BTW, as one of our posters reported yesterday, Best Buy is adding a 3rd movie to their promotion. They're also selling the A3 at $199. So you get:

-2 free movies packed in (300 and Bourne Ultimatum)
-3 free movies instantly at Best Buy
-5 free movie offer. Which has changed a bit. I notice they have TMNT and Syrianna on there now, both of which I'm interested in.
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
I just watched Bram Stokers Dracula yesterday and holy christ, it has 32 subtitle options :lol I think thats the most I've ever seen. I thought Hellboy had a lot but wow.

VanMardigan said:
Yeah, my sister couldn't get one. :( I hope they sell for less than $100 on auction.

BTW, as one of our posters reported yesterday, Best Buy is adding a 3rd movie to their promotion. They're also selling the A3 at $199. So you get:

-2 free movies packed in (300 and Bourne Ultimatum)
-3 free movies instantly at Best Buy
-5 free movie offer. Which has changed a bit. I notice they have TMNT and Syrianna on there now, both of which I'm interested in.


In the Sunday flyer for here its listed as $299..
 
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