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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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If I were kidding you I would have said, "I just got done fooling around with Kim Smith and Jessica Simpson in my Ferrari." :p

Amazon.com apparently you may need to do some cart shuffling to get the $10 off to work. But I added Ratatouille and then Cars and set it to free shipping and it came up $37.90.

Get down to it boppers!
 

LM4sure

Banned
Well the deal with the Disney movies might move some blu ray discs after all. People might end up being mediocre movies like Cars or Ratatouille. I guess I won't be surprised if sales are better than I initially anticipated.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
VanMardigan said:
Without getting personal, let me respond to that:
1. Why would you assume that SM3 will outsell Transformers despite an (apparently) slower first week and the bad "word of mouth" you mentioned earlier?
2. You got the argument backwards. Somebody ELSE crowed about Transformers not selling up to expectations, I made a connection with a movie THEY (and you) pointed out.


1. Bigger userbase of BD compared to HDDVD. Higher overall software sales.

Those comments about 'lacklustre' sales compared to Transformers is on DVD, where you have two discs selling to the same installed base. Not the case with HD so there is potential for SM3 to outsell Transformers on HD but not on regular DVD.

We don't know yet though.
 

acklame

Member
LM4sure said:
Well the deal with the Disney movies might move some blu ray discs after all. People might end up being mediocre movies like Cars or Ratatouille. I guess I won't be surprised if sales are better than I initially anticipated.
Cars and Shrek 3 are mediocre, Ratatouille is excellent.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
LM4sure said:
Well the deal with the Disney movies might move some blu ray discs after all. People might end up being mediocre movies like Cars or Ratatouille. I guess I won't be surprised if sales are better than I initially anticipated.

Nice tag. :lol
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
If I were kidding you I would have said, "I just got done fooling around with Kim Smith and Jessica Simpson in my Ferrari." :p

Amazon.com apparently you may need to do some cart shuffling to get the $10 off to work. But I added Ratatouille and then Cars and set it to free shipping and it came up $37.90.

Get down to it boppers!

WTF? I just ordered this two days ago. I hope they credit me the difference.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
A couple Questions for the HD DVD Fellows....


So I am going to be in the market for a 17" laptop computer in the next few months or so and I think I might be getting one of the high end Toshiba Models since they have HD-DVD drives in them...I think van mentioned Best Buy had a sale on one of them a week or so ago for $999.....I am waiting for another one of those sales...


Anywho, my questions are:


1-The tosh laptops have HDMI outs right?


2-Can Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus and dts HD Master Audio be decoded by the laptop and then output as uncompressed LPCM via HDMI

OR

Can DTHD/DD+/dts HD MA passed as bitstream audio from the tosh laptop to be decoded by an Onkyo Reciever via HDMI?
 
so I just opened the Cars disc and I found out that I have, and I'm ashamed to admit it, dirty power. I didn't know! The signs were all there, I was just too busy to notice. Oh, I'm so glad Monster Cable is there with the $200 equipment and cables to make my dirty power clean again. thank you Monster Cable!
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
mrklaw said:
1. Bigger userbase of BD compared to HDDVD. Higher overall software sales.

Those comments about 'lacklustre' sales compared to Transformers is on DVD, where you have two discs selling to the same installed base. Not the case with HD so there is potential for SM3 to outsell Transformers on HD but not on regular DVD.

We don't know yet though.

We'll see, but we know it didn't outsell 300 on BD either, which I really thought it would've. How much did 300 BD sell in its first week?

Anyhow, a 4-1 (or worse?) hardware disparity has produced a 2-1 software disparity. Let's wait for Toshiba to announce how many standalones were sold. Anything that helps improve their hardware sales should logically help HD DVD software to close the gap as well. Everything up to this point in terms of their sales pales compared to the sales exposure provided by their new price point and retail exposure with WalMart, Kmart, and Best Buy among others.

I think the BDA should've pushed a player down in price to compete. The Ps3 will sell well, but the attach ratio isn't where the BDA needs it to be. They really should have a bigger edge in software considering how much of a hardware advantage they have.
 

Kolgar

Member
ImperialConquest said:
PARDON THE INTERUPTION:


What is the best deal out at the moment for HD DVD hardware?

Are there any deals going on right now or in the very near future where I could get a package tha twould include several free movies?

I went into BB to get the A2 for $99 but they were sold out.. I went after work in the evening.

Anyway, I was trying to get my In-Laws a nice little HD player for cheap and I misse dout. I remember reading about a bunch of free movies and I am hoping there is still such a deal going on somewhere.

They have a 720P Toshi.. so the whole 1080 thing doesn't matter much.


Any help would be appreciated.

Word is that Best Buy's 12% coupons (of which I received one today) now work on HD DVD and BD hardware.

*goes and checks coupon*

It's true!

So, you could buy an A3 this weekend for $199, minus 12%, and get, what, 10 free movies?

Deal.
 
Kolgar said:
Word is that Best Buy's 12% coupons (of which I received one today) now work on HD DVD and BD hardware.

*goes and checks coupon*

It's true!

So, you could buy an A3 this weekend for $199, minus 12%, and get, what, 10 free movies?

Deal.

Yeah I got the coupons in the mail also, Best Buy is also having a Reward Zone special shopping night next sunday after closing and will probably have some good deals then too.
 
Kolgar said:
Word is that Best Buy's 12% coupons (of which I received one today) now work on HD DVD and BD hardware.

*goes and checks coupon*

It's true!

So, you could buy an A3 this weekend for $199, minus 12%, and get, what, 10 free movies?

Deal.

Apparently the A3 is back to 299 or something along those lines.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
Apparently the A3 is back to 299 or something along those lines.

Sold out, actually. And the three free movie thing seems to have expired.

Anywho, my questions are:


1-The tosh laptops have HDMI outs right?

The least expensive HD DVD model I found with HDMI at BestBuy.com was this

8575712_sb.jpg


$1299. Unfortunately, I have no clue about the audio questions you asked.
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
Whatsup boys?

Apparently yo momma jokes is a bit too much... but that's how shit rolls.

So in the midst of all this price cutting, what's the status on combo players? Any good ones announced recently?
 

YYZ

Junior Member
Weren't there a bunch of people getting Oldboy? I couldn't find it anywhere so I have to order online, darn.
 

Snah

Banned
Just watched Ratatouille for the first time on Blu-Ray and I'm pretty stunned.

In general, I'm not a huge fan of CG films because they largely cater to a child audience which accounts for 90% of the humor and substance that those films have to offer. Ratatouille is actually a nice change of pace from most films, and it's certainly one that can be enjoyed by adults and children alike. The message is strong, the humor is creative, and the animation is some of the best I've ever witnessed. They truly managed to capture human emotions better than any other animated film I've watched.

I also liked the fact that the blu-ray disc is FILLED with extras...I mean, there's absolutely TONS on there. And I think this is in line with what pixar said they were going to do with their releases moving forward; introduce a huge element of the film making process. And that's exactly what they've done with ratatouille.

Highly recommended for any blu-ray owners.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Just added Cars and Ratatouille to my amazon cart and it is in fact 34 bucks for both after the -10 dollars and -10% off. :D

Oh and im quoted in someones tag, :lol /does happy dance.


Edit: just ordered Cars and Ratatouille for 33.11 total!
 

djkimothy

Member
captive said:
Just added Cars and Ratatouille to my amazon cart and it is in fact 37 bucks for both. :D

Oh and im quoted in someones tag, :lol /does happy dance.

S.O.B.

If it wasn't for my impatience, I would have opted to go through Amazon. :(
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Oni Jazar said:
Has this been posted? 90k HD DVD players sold last week:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html

For those who don't want to click links:
The HD DVD format significantly pumped its installed base over the weekend, as dueling store clearances sold an estimated 90,000 Toshiba players, according to sources close to retailers.

That tally covers Friday to Sunday sales of Toshiba’s second-generation HD-A2 model, which Wal-Mart and Best Buy sold for about $99 on Nov. 2. That’s $200 less than Toshiba’s $299 list price and $100 off widespread retail pricing of $199.

The $99 players made up most of the 90,000 units sold, a source said.

Within three days, Toshiba corralled nearly as many sales as the best-selling stand-alone Blu-ray Disc player has sold since its launch. Sony’s dominant Blu-ray set-top, the $499 BDP-S300, has shipped about 100,000 since it bowed this summer.

However, the Blu-ray format still retains the largest overall installation base, due largely to the millions of PlayStation 3 hardware sold.

In fact, the 90,000 figure for HD-A2 sales could be even higher, as it doesn’t appear to include all retailer information. The figure does span consumer activity on HD-A2s at Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Circuit City, among others.


Best Buy also shaved $100 off Toshiba’s $299 third-generation player, the HD-A3, Friday through Sunday. At deadline, a Best Buy spokesman did not provide updated sales on the HD-A3.

Toshiba and the HD DVD Promotional Group also declined comment.
 

SUPREME1

Banned
OokieSpookie said:
Yeah I got the coupons in the mail also, Best Buy is also having a Reward Zone special shopping night next sunday after closing and will probably have some good deals then too.


What's this about an afterhours Reward Zone shooping session thingy?

How does that work, how does someone get in/etc.?



Thanks in advance.. and thanks to the two people who answered my previous question.

Neogaf is awesome for lazy folk like me..
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Oni Jazar said:
Has this been posted? 90k HD DVD players sold last week:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html

Oh snap, that's a ton. Software sales should get even more interesting starting next week. This Friday should be fun, too.

So, what effect will this have on the ratios? A lot, little, none at all? I want to hear what people think. Like I said earlier, HD DVD was already doing well considering the player gap, and moving 90k in a week can only help to close that gap, I would think.
 

djkimothy

Member
VanMardigan said:
Oh snap, that's a ton. Software sales should get even more interesting starting next week. This Friday should be fun, too.

So, what effect will this have on the ratios? A lot, little, none at all? I want to hear what people think. Like I said earlier, HD DVD was already doing well considering the player gap, and moving 90k in a week can only help to close that gap, I would think.

I'll reuse the talking point PC users used with Mac Users.

Is that 90k new users or people replacing older models/adding to same house hold?

I think they should make an effect on the ratios. Probably 1.85:1 BD advantage on average?
 

Snah

Banned
VanMardigan said:
Oh snap, that's a ton. Software sales should get even more interesting starting next week. This Friday should be fun, too.

So, what effect will this have on the ratios? A lot, little, none at all? I want to hear what people think. Like I said earlier, HD DVD was already doing well considering the player gap, and moving 90k in a week can only help to close that gap, I would think.

So HD-DVD probably sold a little bit more than the PS3 sold that week.

I think it will definitely have an impact for this week, but I don't believe it will change much in the overall scheme of things this holiday season.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
djkimothy said:
I'll reuse the talking point PC users used with Mac Users.

Is that 90k new users or people replacing older models/adding to same house hold?

I think they should make an effect on the ratios. Probably 1.85:1 BD advantage on average?

Considering that it was last year's model, it's not directly applicable, but that's actually a good point, in the broader sense. How many of those 90k were HD DVD owners already? Heck, we know people in this very thread (me almost included) that took advantage of that offer.

I guess we'll have to keep an eye on software to see whether these are new customers. What are HD DVD newcomer's favorite titles? 300? Planet Earth? Heroes? If some of those older titles sell, we can assume that there was a sizeable influx of new HD DVD owners.
 

djkimothy

Member
VanMardigan said:
Considering that it was last year's model, it's not directly applicable, but that's actually a good point, in the broader sense. How many of those 90k were HD DVD owners already? Heck, we know people in this very thread (me almost included) that took advantage of that offer.

I guess we'll have to keep an eye on software to see whether these are new customers. What are HD DVD newcomer's favorite titles? 300? Planet Earth? Heroes? If some of those older titles sell, we can assume that there was a sizeable influx of new HD DVD owners.

Well, that's just a hypothetical. However I'd guess a large majority being new buyers. I can probably guarantee that most of them were blu-ray only and decided to go neutral only since it's such a steal. Alas, the deal wasn't offered in Canada. :(
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
AVS just closed their entire HD media forum section down for posting :lol

Right when I was about to post shots of Dracula via the PS3 output :\
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
Snah said:
In general, I'm not a huge fan of CG films because they largely cater to a child audience which accounts for 90% of the humor and substance that those films have to offer.

I never thought I'd see the day but yeah I don't care for cartoons either hand drawn or cg.

Those hardware #'s are pretty impressive if true especially if they don't include walmart and best buy. I was guesstimating 60k I think standalones will sell well through the holidays and will help close the software gap some.
 

mr stroke

Member
Dot50Cal said:
AVS just closed their entire HD media forum section down for posting :lol

Right when I was about to post shots of Dracula via the PS3 output :\

avs-
"while AVS Forum seems to be the top place this war is being fought, we really do not like how the members are acting as of late. We have until now tried to deal with it as we can, but now it has come to this. We have seen members attacking other members not only in debate, which is the right way, but with physical threats that have involved police and possible legal action"

:lol :lol :lol :lol
HDDVD is better than BR and I am going to kill your mother:lol
 
A guy from AVS posted this:

Damed said:
It's a good time to get a new player.

DeepDiscount.com's semi annual 20% off sale should be on within a week or 2, which will be a great time to get some titles to show off that shiny new player.

If I were a guessing man, I'd say the sale would start next weekend.

UPDATE: SALE IS ON FROM 11/09 until 11/25

A few items to note:


1) PRE-ORDERS are NOT included in the sale!
2) Coupon codes can only be used ONCE.
3) In addition to the "DD1109" coupon, these have worked in the past:


DVDTALK
USATODAY
NYTIMES
SUPERSALE
PRICESEARCH
SUMMERSALE
YAHOO
ESPN
LATIMES
XM
SOUTHSIDE
WGN
JIM
DEALNEWS


Get those wishlists and wallets ready!

Will pick up a couple of titles for sure.
 

lupin23rd

Member
YYZ said:
Weren't there a bunch of people getting Oldboy? I couldn't find it anywhere so I have to order online, darn.

You are in Canada, right? I feared this might happen. I haven't found Scary Movie, the Kubricks (20th), and I'm almost resigned to ordering this sucker online. Will take a look at the usual suspects tomorrow I guess...
 

lupin23rd

Member
Days like these... said:
I never thought I'd see the day but yeah I don't care for cartoons either hand drawn or cg.

Those hardware #'s are pretty impressive if true especially if they don't include walmart and best buy. I was guesstimating 60k I think standalones will sell well through the holidays and will help close the software gap some.

The quote above (I didn't actually check the link) said that Walmart, Best Buy, and Circuit City were included, did it not?

In fact, the 90,000 figure for HD-A2 sales could be even higher, as it doesn’t appear to include all retailer information. The figure does span consumer activity on HD-A2s at Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Circuit City, among others.
 

Zoe

Member
ImperialConquest said:
What's this about an afterhours Reward Zone shooping session thingy?

How does that work, how does someone get in/etc.?

If there's one happening in your area, you'll get an e-mail about it. They don't all happen the same weekend across the country, so it just might not have hit you yet.

It's happening at two locations in Austin this Sunday (last time it was only one location). The e-mail invite lets you take one guest, and there are freebies for people who get there early and periodic drawings. At the June(?) event, they held back Wiis and Elites that day for the event.
 

Zen

Banned
Oni Jazar said:
Has this been posted? 90k HD DVD players sold last week:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html

This better scare the BDA into dropping entry level price down to $299 like right now. They're on the verge of losing the war, if something like this goes unapposed, and Warner sees HD-DVD comfortably in the mass market and back HD-DVD. Granted it was a 1 time thing (the 99 dollar players) but all the same, Bluray needs dominance to keep it's peices, HD DVD just needs to chip away at one notable supporter and the rest would start to fall.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
Dot50Cal said:
AVS just closed their entire HD media forum section down for posting :lol

Right when I was about to post shots of Dracula via the PS3 output :\

post them here? :D


I got the Pixar short films collection. No they didn't re-render any of the old films, the early ones are pretty low-res but there is plenty of demo material at the end of the disc. It was pretty shocking seeing the old animations and remembering how blown away I was by them back then. :lol The newer ones looks stunning and it was pretty interesting to watch the progression in polycount, texturing and animation. Not to mention the lighting.

I really dug the director commentary which I usually never listen too. In the early films it's all about the technical challenges and how they did certain effects, then after they reach that 'wow' level (Geri's game IMHO) they focus more on the film.



Damn thats allot of HD-DVD players... would of been nice to snag one for $99. How much is the 1080p one now?
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Whoever was saying they are having a hard time with amazon. I just ordered spiderman boxset and 2 copies of cars and ratatouille for myself and my friend. Says they will probably get here thursday or friday. I am a prime member though.
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
Zen said:
This better scare the BDA into dropping entry level price down to $299 like right now. They're on the verge of losing the war, if something like this goes unapposed, and Warner sees HD-DVD comfortably in the mass market and back HD-DVD. Granted it was a 1 time thing (the 99 dollar players) but all the same, Bluray needs dominance to keep it's peices, HD DVD just needs to chip away at one notable supporter and the rest would start to fall.

Kneejerk much? When HD-DVD movies start outselling Blu Ray movies on a weekly basis, start with the reactions.
 
Dot50Cal said:
AVS just closed their entire HD media forum section down for posting :lol

Right when I was about to post shots of Dracula via the PS3 output :\

And I thought things were melting down here today... :lol
 

Jeff-DSA

Member
Those numbers for HD-DVD are insane. I wonder how that is going to affect holiday sales, especially of some blockbusters like Transformers and Shrek 3. If HD-DVD can pick up some steam, it could make for an interesting battle throughout the next year or so.

Crazy stuff.

I should have Ratatouille and the Pixar Collection tomorrow. I can't wait to fire 'em up!
 
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