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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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plagiarize
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/Commentary:_Living_in_Fear_of_the_Niche/1154
did you ever get that feeling that someone was reading your posts?
did you ever get that feeling that someone was reading your posts?
plagiarize
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well damnit. i didn't get this name by accident, but i don't know that i appreciate people doing it!captive said:
OokieSpookie
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YYZ said:
Most likely
OokieSpookie
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mr stroke said:
I am thinking that Paramount will wait until they are neutral again to be honest.
I think large numbers could entice them to change that plan but I think it is just a matter of waiting it out.
Sad really because a boxed set could have been huge for Christmas.
mr stroke
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OokieSpookie said:
ok this could be the case, but why?? WB released the Martix trilogy on HDDVD and will release it on BR too sooner or later..but being that they are different formats why not release on HD now and then release on BR when neutral right??
they must have 4 disc Shrek trilogy coming out next summer/fall on HD and SD DVD??
OokieSpookie
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mr stroke said:
When Warner released the Matrix, the special abilities of Blu were pretty far away.
HD was still winning in PQ quite often and they knew it would be some time before it would be released on Blu.
Honestly though I think the most part is that they do not want to split the sales of Shrek 3.
Release Shrek 3 now, let it get its numbers for press release hype and whatnot and then throw a set out in six months or so that way if someone wants 1 and 2 they will have to double dip.
It is just good market strategy.
mr stroke said:
DVD version boxset releases next week:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UVKGQC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
OokieSpookie
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The Shrek movies are under even the Star Wars prequel trilogy, The Matrix 2 and 3, Spiderman 3 and even Xmen 3 on my list.YYZ said:
Christoff Yurievich
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dallow_bg said:
arghfhaag@!!
OokieSpookie
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RaidenZR said:
A few things killed Shrek for me.
A) Mike Myers Voice.
I do not know what it is but I can not stand his voices.
I think he is damned funny when just being himself like in "SO I married an axe murderer" but then somehow he got this idea that he is some kind of funny voice guy.
I could have even gotten past that if not for B
B) Going too heavily for the burp and fart joke crowd and relying too heavily on pop culture.
Serious low brow stuff that is not needed.
Animaniacs was one of the most brilliant animated shows out there because it would whiz things by you that you were like "oh hell" without forcing it. They would have references but it was in a wink wink nudge nudge way not the beat you over the head and cliche you to death way.
And lastly C) ruining the Monkees song (well yes it was written by Neil Diamond but you get my point.)
BoboBrazil
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Shrek 1 and 2 were good movies. 3 was horrible though. I regretted seeing it in the theater...
Ignatz Mouse
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Oni Jazar said:
As if people *want* to own multiple consoles... god.
Ignatz Mouse
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Saw Rat:
The good: Looks absolutely beautiful. Amazing, great, awesome. This is my first CG amination purchase, so whiel i had heard they looked good, this is my first time seeing it. Had a crowd over for a dinner party and it turned out to be pretty big, too. SO we had an appreciative crowd.
The bad: My disc from Amazon is bad. It has a "birthmark" on it. I had to run out the mom-and-pop shop and rent a copy. Pisses me off, but just bak luck I guess.
The worse: Movie hung twice until somebody suggested we *not* skip all the previews. Then it ran fine. A fucking lot of previews. Anybody else have this problem, or it is a fluke?
The good: Looks absolutely beautiful. Amazing, great, awesome. This is my first CG amination purchase, so whiel i had heard they looked good, this is my first time seeing it. Had a crowd over for a dinner party and it turned out to be pretty big, too. SO we had an appreciative crowd.
The bad: My disc from Amazon is bad. It has a "birthmark" on it. I had to run out the mom-and-pop shop and rent a copy. Pisses me off, but just bak luck I guess.
The worse: Movie hung twice until somebody suggested we *not* skip all the previews. Then it ran fine. A fucking lot of previews. Anybody else have this problem, or it is a fluke?
With consoles, there's no magic box that lets you play ANY game months before it hits the console(s). I'm talking about the theaters if you couldn't figure it out.
There's also the different philosophies behind each console maker, Sony will always want to be the leading edge in technology while Nintendo has a different stance. Then there's Microsoft who has yet another philosophy. A movie is a movie, the backers of either format are only in it for the money. It's not as if BD will never have PiP and web functionality.
There's also the different philosophies behind each console maker, Sony will always want to be the leading edge in technology while Nintendo has a different stance. Then there's Microsoft who has yet another philosophy. A movie is a movie, the backers of either format are only in it for the money. It's not as if BD will never have PiP and web functionality.
OokieSpookie
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Zen said:
You will have to forgive me if this comes off with an edge, it is not intended but I keep seeing people play the walmart card with the stats.
Nielsen has been doing this for many many many many years.
Walmart does not give data so Nielsen does an estimate for them.
60% of the A2s were sold at Walmart, the rest at Best Buy and others.
But Walmart also sold quite a few copies of Spiderman 3, as well as the boxed set, and all of the other movies on the list.
SO yes hd may have sold a few more than estimated, but yes also there were alot more bd movies sold not counted for either.
People love the nielsen numbers until they do not say what they want them to.
Now again, this is not directed at you it is just my essentially macroed response to the same attempts by people who want to play the numbers off.
No worries at all. I was talking about the numbers in another forum, and the Walmart/Nielson thing came up, and through my own research I couldn't find much on it. Thanks for the straight answer. A statement saying they do estimate for Walmart would be nice, but ces't la vie. The person I was talking with was saying that Nielson doesn't account for Walmart at all.
What bollocks. First he dismisses the argument that the format war puts people off buying either format, then uses anecdotal evidence to claim that the real reason is consumer apathy and everyone thinks their DVDs are already HDplagiarize said:
What a fuckwit.
And anyway, I thought that even with this 'war', adoption was similar or better than DVD at the same point?
methos1975
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Sony CEO Downplays Format War; Sees "Stalemate"
Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 01:07 PM ET
Tags: Sony, Industry Forecasts (all tags)
An apparently candid assessment of the high-def format war from Sony CEO Howard Stringer shot across the web Friday morning.
Following months of posturing from execs on both sides of the format battle, Stringer's remarks were surprisingly frank, with the CEO describing a current "stalemate" between the Sony-backed Blu-ray format and its rival HD DVD, even pondering a possible loss.
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"We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while, until Paramount changed sides," Stringer said during an appearance at the 92nd Street Y cultural center in Manhattan.
According to published reports, the exec went on to describe a win for either side as mostly a matter of prestige, saying that if HD DVD ultimately won out, it wouldn't have much effect on Sony other than having to change the harddrive for its PlayStation.
"It doesn't mean as much as all that," Stringer is quoted as saying.
The CEO went on to indicate that there was an opportunity of uniting the two camps under one format before he became CEO, and that "I wish I could go back in time, because I heard it was all about saving face."
Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 01:07 PM ET
Tags: Sony, Industry Forecasts (all tags)
An apparently candid assessment of the high-def format war from Sony CEO Howard Stringer shot across the web Friday morning.
Following months of posturing from execs on both sides of the format battle, Stringer's remarks were surprisingly frank, with the CEO describing a current "stalemate" between the Sony-backed Blu-ray format and its rival HD DVD, even pondering a possible loss.
ADVERTISEMENT
"We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while, until Paramount changed sides," Stringer said during an appearance at the 92nd Street Y cultural center in Manhattan.
According to published reports, the exec went on to describe a win for either side as mostly a matter of prestige, saying that if HD DVD ultimately won out, it wouldn't have much effect on Sony other than having to change the harddrive for its PlayStation.
"It doesn't mean as much as all that," Stringer is quoted as saying.
The CEO went on to indicate that there was an opportunity of uniting the two camps under one format before he became CEO, and that "I wish I could go back in time, because I heard it was all about saving face."
Ignatz Mouse
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djkimothy said:Never had any problems with it hanging. Must be you.
Well, that's good and bad. I wonder if it's just the rental disc.
YYZ said:
Exactly a movie is just Video + Audio, there should be no need for different HD formats. Games have graphics, audio, input, networking, all of which can have different approaches with different price points that appeal to different audiences. It'd be nice to have a single console where gamers can stop bickering but at least you can appreciate the distinctions.
Ignatz Mouse
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nubbe said:
That'd be great, sign me up. Let me know what I can do that will make any difference whatsoever.
mr stroke said:
I hear ya. I wasn't saying the animation quality was poor, I just find it hard to believe that the movie and its sequels have garnered so much money, success, and adulation above MANY greater examples of animated featues. Shrek 3 made an enourmous amount of cash and it really wasn't anything spectacular at all.
I'm ending the Shrek hate though. It's off-topic and I didn't want to initiate a derailment.
Who else is biding time waiting for specific releases on deepdiscount.com's sale? I'm waiting til Tuesday to take advantage of 20% off on Close Encounters and will probably pick up Aviator, POTC1,2 there as well. If they keep doing these damn saies I'm going to be broke before I have time to Christmas shop for anyone else.
nubbe said:
It was a very, very stupid comment on Stringer's part, and means that either (a) he has no real clue what the importance of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray race could mean to Sony, or (b) Sony has made a sudden and complete change in their attitude towards the importance of the race.
Or, I dunno, maybe (c) he was just drunk the day of that interview.
mr_bishiuk
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methos1975 said:
Wow, seems Stringer isn't confident in Blu-ray's ultimate victory, does this indicate they will be winding down pushing the format to save cash?
is he implying they may put an HDDVD drive in the Playstation 3 or is it the PS4 if HDDVD wins?stringer said:
mr stroke
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methos1975 said:
I am sure in hindsight they wish the would have just joined together and avoided the fight altogether.So shouldn't both Sony and Tosh just make everything dual format or combine forces with in the next year if we are at the same point next year?better for both of them to cut 50% of there loses then one or both to lose 100% right?I just can't see how a joint effort couldn't make these companies more money than there making now.
Kleegamefan
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methos1975 said:
This news is not old at all and hasn't been posted multiple times a few pages back in the thread...
Seriously....
Ignatz Mouse
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An exec talks frankly and plainly on the matter, and people jump all over it looking for leverage in message-board wars. Lovely.
Speaking of execs, what happened to Ken Graffeo? He's been pretty quiet ever since Paramount jumped off the Blu ship.
Speaking of execs, what happened to Ken Graffeo? He's been pretty quiet ever since Paramount jumped off the Blu ship.
To me Stringer looks unpleased that they couldn't win without heavily moneyhatting. The Paramount deal changed this and now they know that the BDR group will have to spend a lot of money to win the battle and even in that way it will take more time than expected hence his desire to go back in time and make a single format.
Forsete
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Finished watching Deja Vu.. Awesome picture quality, great movie.
The movie used VC-1 which surpised me since Buena Vista is BD exclusive, and BD-exclusive studios mostly use AVC?
In fact, all three Buena Vista movies which I got last week (Cinderella Man, Deja Vu, Starship Troopers) use VC1.
The movie used VC-1 which surpised me since Buena Vista is BD exclusive, and BD-exclusive studios mostly use AVC?
In fact, all three Buena Vista movies which I got last week (Cinderella Man, Deja Vu, Starship Troopers) use VC1.
OokieSpookie
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mr_bishiuk said:
Seriously not getting into this crap again, look back a few pages and you will see it talked about from all sides.
I know that hd supporters are feeling kind of shaky right now and especially after the numbers this week and looking at the releases for the rest of the year, but trying to spin Stringer's comments into anything other then just an attempt at low key PR is just asinine.
And of course Sony would put an hd-dvd drive in if they won, just like Microsoft has said they would do a bluray add on and you know that Toshiba would make Blu players and put them in their laptops.
How is that even a question or in doubt?
OokieSpookie said:
Heh. OK, help me understand this. I mean, HD DVD just sold 60,000+ players at Wal*Mart, a store that does not report to Nielsen. I imagine some discs were sold there, too. So how can we rely on Nielsen numbers?
You've said they estimate Wal*Mart's sales. How accurate are the estimates? It's important, because I think a lot of existing owners went and picked up a few $14.98 discs at Wal*Mart that week, which may have taken a bite out of sales from other stores that DO report to Nielsen. Skewing the numbers further.
Anyway, I'd like to understand how reliable Nielsen numbers are. Now that Wal*Mart's in the game, I think it's inarguable that they've lost some validity.
edit: What's "low-key PR"? Do you simply mean that Stringer's pulled back and taken a calmer tone than the usual bombastic "we are winning" cheer? If yes, I agree. But then I would suggest that Stringer is not helping his cause by saying things like that, and so, probably shouldn't.
OokieSpookie
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Kolgar said:
DO not even try to pull "walmart is not counted" bullshit.
Walmart also had 14.98 bluray movies.
And do you in any realistic fashion think that even though nowhere else in the entire universe including Best Buy where 30% of the A2s were sold, that all of the sudden at Walmart hd sold more than Spiderman 3, the Spiderman boxed set and other blu movies?
Are you honestly going to try and hold that as some kind of actual possibility?
I swear to god that hd people are worse than anything on the gaming side. (and coming from a ps3 fan that says something)
All walmart would change is the volume, not the ratio.
Your argument is all about what ifs and might happens and there are no facts to support it.
Nielsen has been doing this for countless years and are well known to be the best in the business and the most trusted.
Must piss hd people off even more that now Walmart and walmart.com carry two bluray players in store not including the PS3 and their one hd player is only online
So much for "bu bu Walmary am going hd exclusive".
http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ic=20_0&ref=125875.331064&catNavId=62055
Why should Stringer come off like some loud arrogant asshole that everyone loves to jump on a message board and say "sony are such arrogant pricks i hate them"
Look what happened when Paramount came out so loudly about Transformers.
If you notice this week with the Spiderman numbers Sony was very low key also.
You see, when you win week after week after week you do not need to be arrogant, the numbers say all that is needed to say.
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