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[OokieSpookie]

How the hell do you find these? I'm trying to follow the "normal" links and can't find it, so there's no way to know if there's an HD DVD equivalent. And how the hell can the BRD afford to give away movies week after week after week? Isn't HD DVD the one that should be giving discs away? :lol

Different approaches really for different marketing needs.

Think about it.
PS3 has about 6 mil or so PS3s out and about and there are perhaps 600k HD-DVD players by the end of the year.
The hang up for Blu right now is that maybe a 10th of those PS3 owners have seen a BD movie.
Low priced movies do that, and I will be honest when you see a good movie on BD or HD you really will not go back.
There are alot of untapped consumers out there and of course it is also great for those who own stand alones.

Toshiba instead has the priority of needing to get players into peoples homes first and foremost and uses their funds toward that end.
Once they get to a set number of market saturation with players I am sure they will go the same road.

 

[VanMardigan]

Yeah, you're right. Plus I just remembered Tosh is giving away the movies WITH the players, which reinforces the stuff you're talking about. They need to move players, Blu Ray wants to move movies to folks with the players (Ps3).

 

[OokieSpookie]

Yeah, you're right. Plus I just remembered Tosh is giving away the movies WITH the players, which reinforces the stuff you're talking about. They need to move players, Blu Ray wants to move movies to folks with the players (Ps3).

It is also why Sony has been more aggressive with packing in movies.
Talledega Nights with the original PS3 was limited as was Casino Royale.
Now they have Spidey 3 in regularly with Open Season being thrown into the mix for some sales during the holidays.

You do also realize that up until the $99 thing that BD stand alones were neck and neck with HD stand alones right?

 

[VanMardigan]

You do also realize that up until the $99 thing that BD stand alones were neck and neck with HD stand alones right?

I don't think there's anybody in this thread with more knowledge on standalone sales than me, and no, they were not neck and neck at the time of the $99 sale. They WERE close a few months ago, and BD standalones won a few weeks, but the lead was back in Tosh's favor BEFORE the$99 players hit.

Now.......well, you know. It's not going to be close this year anymore.

 

[Kolgar]

:lol Some of you fellas really need to chill out, you know that? This thing is about movies on plastic discs, and I would hope that all of you have more meaningful things in your lives to get riled about.

Isn't it odd to find yourselves so emotionally invested in a movie format?

Though if we are going to characterize groups of posters, and since a few of you have no problems trying to characterize me, I will say there is a contingent of the blue side that has become increasingly shrill and confrontational. Is it fear that's sparking the tantrums? I don't know, but the meltdowns seem to be coming fast and furious.

Holy shit, dudes! Your movie format of choice might actually TANK! Whatever will you do? :\

Now, I realize this thread is essentially an online VIP room for Blu-ray circle jerking, and I generally steer clear when the breathing gets hot and heavy. But I still wonder why some Blu supporters seem to flaunt their condescension and such an irrational sense of entitlement, as if Blu-ray is and always has been The One True Way and Toshiba and its studios and customers should just stand down and get the fuck out of your way.

This is business, folks, and nothing more. No need to get worked up about it unless you're drawing a paycheck from one side or the other. And if you're all one-sided because you bought into a format at this early stage in the war, well, what part of "format war" did you not understand? Did you not know the risks going in? There are no guarantees for the early adopter, so quit your pissing and posturing and let's act like human beings toward one another while we watch this play out.

It could be kind of fun, you know, if some people weren't acting like such assholes.

 

[Wulfer]

I think there are lot more than three kinds of posters here, Wulfer. many of the "purple" people are more partisan than one-platform-only people.



No doubt!


I think posters break down like so:

1) Format neutral. May not own both, but don't care. Solo is a recent example.

2) Any-one-format-ers. Most seem to have chosen BluRay, since for over a year it's looked like the likely winner in a one-format solution, but there may be some HD-DVD one-format folks who think that one will be the winner based on cost. I'm here. The closer to even, the less happy I am. the more lopsided, the better.

3) Partisans who prefer one format over another (although they may own both) for either technical reasons, for company loyaty/hate reasons. Manabyte is the classic example of somebody who owns both but loved to post bad BluRay news/good HD DVD news. Van talks up a two-format future and was going neutral, but clearly likes to run down Blu as well. I think KLee is the Blu equivilent, as I think he has both but trumpets the alleged technical superiority of Blu. Snah is a one-platform-owning extreme partisan.

4) DVD is Good Enough people who come in out of curiosity or to troll

5) Digital Download Preferred people, ditto (or who have one or both formats for the short term)

6) PR Bots who just post press releases and links, usually as partisans.

Well, now that the loose cannons have said their piece. (Note to the cannons: I said in this thread, I didn't mean all HDM owners on either side.)

I do agree with what you said about the larger categories Ignatz Mouse. For the record I think we're headed to a two format stalemate and really when the players on both sides are at HD DVD prices it really won't matter anymore because like others have said about the DVD+R and DVD-R, the royality check will have a break down that we'll never see. Why you ask, because by that time the players will do both formats in one player. The only losers will be us the early format adopters and we'll have to buy another player. Now all the guys that though would be fun to blast me can you post some civil answers to this post and beyond?

 

[OokieSpookie]

:lol Some of you fellas really need to chill out, you know that? This thing is about movies on plastic discs, and I would hope that all of you have more meaningful things in your lives to get riled about.

Isn't it odd to find yourselves so emotionally invested in a movie format?

Though if we are going to characterize groups of posters, and since a few of you have no problems trying to characterize me, I will say there is a contingent of the blue side that has become increasingly shrill and confrontational. Is it fear that's sparking the tantrums? I don't know, but the meltdowns seem to be coming fast and furious.

Holy shit, dudes! Your movie format of choice might actually TANK! Whatever will you do? :\

Now, I realize this thread is essentially an online VIP room for Blu-ray circle jerking, and I generally steer clear when the breathing gets hot and heavy. But I still wonder why some Blu supporters seem to flaunt their condescension and such an irrational sense of entitlement, as if Blu-ray is and always has been The One True Way and Toshiba and its studios and customers should just stand down and get the fuck out of your way.

This is business, folks, and nothing more. No need to get worked up about it unless you're drawing a paycheck from one side or the other. And if you're all one-sided because you bought into a format at this early stage in the war, well, what part of "format war" did you not understand? Did you not know the risks going in? There are no guarantees for the early adopter, so quit your pissing and posturing and let's act like human beings toward one another while we watch this play out.

It could be kind of fun, you know, if people weren't being such assholes to one another.

You start out so good and then pie face right into a wall with that idiocy.
There is this amusing trend where hd backers love to sit back and say "oh look at those bluray people".
Some people do give a shit which format wins , sorry.
It shows again to the "Can't we all get along" which is HD's "if you can't win play for the draw" mentality.

As far as why BD supporters feel like hd needs to go away.. blu has won something like 40 or more weeks in a row now with no end in sight.
It would be like a football team winning every game of the world cup including the finals and then having people say "why should you get the cup?"

For someone that doesn't care you do spend alot of time in here throwing jabs in and trying to stir shit up.

 

[Chemo]

lol What do you mean we're not trying to win? Should we hang out at Walmart and convince people to buy HD DVD players? Maybe we should all mail our paychecks every week to help Tosh win this war? Why don't you tell us what exactly we should be doing to help Tosh out? Why can't you along with some others accept that some of us saw HD DVD as a good value with a selection of movies that we found appealing?
We're just in it to make Sony lose? That is the one of the most rediculous statements in this 400+ page thread. To think that I will somehow be able to make a diff in this is beyond absurd. When the mass market starts to choose one format over another in large numbers that will be the deciding factor in this thing not a few people on a videogame msg board.

I've said it before you are way too emotionally invested in this and kolgar has also said it. Honestly, I almost feel bad for you but then I remember that you are not bitter nor butthurt so I guess you'll be alright unless of course Sony doesn't manage to pull this thing out.

You're joking, right? HD DVD is never going to offset the PS3 effect. It has two options: Co-exist or die. It will never win the format war.

I also have to say, I really love how when someone makes a legitimate post about how stupid a pro-HD DVD post was, they're suddenly "emotionally invested" or butthurt and bitter. Seriously, Days, Kolgar... get the fuck over yourselves. I called WULFER out on some bullshit because it was exactly that. I love how you guys can make accusatory posts filled with Blu-ray supporter slander and some serious jumping to conclusion, but the moment someone wants to raise their fucking hand and go, "Hey, wait a minute, that smells like shit," they're overreacting. Totally ridiculous.

 

[Shogmaster]

HD movies: It's serious business... :lol

 

[Walshicus]

You're joking, right? HD DVD is never going to offset the PS3 effect. It has two options: Co-exist or die. It will never win the format war.

Yeah, because people are buying BD's on their PS3s in abundance. And because people are buying PS3s in abundance. And because HD-DVD isn't millimetres away from being below the mainstream pickup price point.

 

[Kolgar]

You start out so good and then pie face right into a wall with that idiocy.
There is this amusing trend where hd backers love to sit back and say "oh look at those bluray people".

Well then my world view must be horribly distorted, because I rarely see HD DVD supporters dishing out the kind of malice and misinformation that so often comes from certain blu posters. Whether it's the PS3 Effect on demographics or the fact that HD DVD fans have always understood that their format is the underdog, I see more level heads and well-reasoned posts coming out of the red side. But I'd rather talk about the movies and the maneuvers that take place within this format war than particular groups of posters, so I'll just leave it at that.

Some people do give a shit which format wins , sorry.

That's fine. But some folks act like rabid, brain-washed soldiers on a bloodthirsty crusade, which doesn't seem healthy and usually strikes me as obnoxious.

It shows again to the "Can't we all get along" which is HD's "if you can't win play for the draw" mentality.

Who's playing for the draw? Haven't you admitted to yourself that HD DVD does have a shot at this, however small? I'd like one format to win, too. For reasons I've already stated, I'd prefer that format be HD DVD. But should Toshiba's house collapse, I'm more than happy to buy all of my discs in blu.

As far as why BD supporters feel like hd needs to go away.. blu has won something like 40 or more weeks in a row now with no end in sight.
It would be like a football team winning every game of the world cup including the finals and then having people say "why should you get the cup?"

No, Ookie, it's nothing like that. But nobody can convince you of the reasons why a movie format built on standalone players might possibly be stronger than a movie format built on a do-everything game console with the PlayStation name on it. So, there is no convincing you. But you know, I've worked in marketing for 14 years and I think there is a difference and that the piddly quantities of HDM sales to date don't mean squat when there are other important factors in play.

For someone that doesn't care you do spend alot of time in here throwing jabs in and trying to stir shit up.

As I said, I'm a marketing guy. This shit is top-tier entertainment for me (the format war, not the pissing matches between posters). When I was nine, my fantasy was to be CEO in charge of a video game company. Oh, I had the big office, I had the desk, I worked up marketing strategies and ad campaigns on a big chalkboard, I loved that shit. Nearly three decades later, I still love it and that's why I'm here.

Oh, and also to correct some of the statements you make from time to time, Spooky, but it's all in good fun.

 

[Chemo]

Yeah, because people are buying BD's on their PS3s in abundance. And because people are buying PS3s in abundance. And because HD-DVD isn't millimetres away from being below the mainstream pickup price point.

Because the PS3 just got another $100 price drop to $399? Because it's the holiday season and PS3s are going to outsell HD DVD players by a gigantic margin? We can do becauses all day -- fact is, we've heard these kinds of excuses all year and they have never amounted to anything. Ever.

 

[Wulfer]

You're joking, right? HD DVD is never going to offset the PS3 effect. It has two options: Co-exist or die. It will never win the format war.

I also have to say, I really love how when someone makes a legitimate post about how stupid a pro-HD DVD post was, they're suddenly "emotionally invested" or butthurt and bitter. Seriously, Days, Kolgar... get the fuck over yourselves. I called WULFER out on some bullshit because it was exactly that. I love how you guys can make accusatory posts filled with Blu-ray supporter slander and some serious jumping to conclusion, but the moment someone wants to raise their fucking hand and go, "Hey, wait a minute, that smells like shit," they're overreacting. Totally ridiculous.

I said the f word. I'm a big kid now. :lol


j/k


(Can't hurt Chemo feelings that wouldn't be nice. See Chemo I can still post civil even after what all you said. That's because I don't care to invest that much into this war like you do.)

 

[Walshicus]

Because the PS3 just got another $399 price drop? Because it's the holiday season and PS3s are going to outsell HD DVD players by a gigantic margin? We can do becauses all day -- fact is, we've heard this kind of excuse all year and it has never ever amounted to anything. Ever.

Could be. Most PS3 owners don't buy movies for it though; else the "war" would have ended months ago.

How many PS3s do you expect to be shifted in NA this month? Toshiba through Wal-Mart shifted over 90k [if memory serves] in one day with their last promotion and it seems there's more to come. PS3 barely sells 125k most months. Attach rates show one HD-DVD/Blu-Ray standalone to be worth almost 5 PS3s... We'll see once Autumn and Winter are well behind us though.

I just found it a bit funny that even Sony execs are calling this one a stalemate, the ultimate signal of uncertainty - and you couldn't entertain the possibility of HD-DVD coming out on top.

 

[gkryhewy]

Because the PS3 just got another $100 price drop to $399? Because it's the holiday season and PS3s are going to outsell HD DVD players by a gigantic margin? We can do becauses all day -- fact is, we've heard these kinds of excuses all year and they have never amounted to anything. Ever.

Do you really think blu ray can achieve mainstream status on the back of the PS3? IMO, if the PS3 remains BR's driving force, it's a sure sign that the HD formats will never be anything other than niche. Not simply due to the PS3 failing to achieve mainstream success itself, but due to the large cross section of the mainstream who will never buy a videogame machine as their main media player.

I've read that the base Sony dedicated player is supposed to go to $349 - it's a start.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Do you really think blu ray can achieve mainstream status on the back of the PS3? IMO, if the PS3 remains BR's driving force, it's a sure sign that the HD formats will never be anything other than niche. Not simply due to the PS3 failing to achieve mainstream success itself, but due to the large cross section of the mainstream who will never buy a videogame machine as their main media player.

I've read that the base Sony dedicated player is supposed to go to $349 - it's a start.

There are players going 379 and 349 this holiday season, they will hit 299 by spring easily.
(And it will not be a 1080i version)

 

[FIREBABY]

There are players going 379 and 349 this holiday season, they will hit 299 by spring easily.
(And it will not be a 1080i version)

Yes. Because the majority of HDTV owners have 1080p capaple sets.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Jeez, I think I'll just be quiet for a while and lurk. Big picture, PS3 has kept BluRay on top by a wide margin while price differential on players has dropped to about half of what it was and will only get smaller. HD-DVD may or may not sell enough players to convince WB to pick them in January, or to stay dual format. If stalemate continues, it will likely mean less titles released to HD formats overall, which is bad for everybody. Nobody knows what's going to happen, but the Blu folks get blasted by the HD-DVD folks for calling out the trend. Assholes like Snah, Days, Wulfer, petrarca like to stir up shit with absolute statements and generalizations. Fuck it. I guess I'm "butthurt" to use the mature language of the thread.

 

[Yogi_bear]

Could be. Most PS3 owners don't buy movies for it though; else the "war" would have ended months ago.

How many PS3s do you expect to be shifted in NA this month? Toshiba through Wal-Mart shifted over 90k [if memory serves] in one day with their last promotion and it seems there's more to come. PS3 barely sells 125k most months. Attach rates show one HD-DVD/Blu-Ray standalone to be worth almost 5 PS3s... We'll see once Autumn and Winter are well behind us though.

I just found it a bit funny that even Sony execs are calling this one a stalemate, the ultimate signal of uncertainty - and you couldn't entertain the possibility of HD-DVD coming out on top.

There's one HUGE problem with your logic. You're looking at a very short-term solution for HD-DVD. Toshiba effectively shot themselves in the foot with their "clearance" sale. It took them to drop the price to $99 for people to pick up HD-DVD players. Now consumers are going to expect that $99 price point, which Toshiba won't be able to offer and a lot of consumers are not going to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon.

The situation is completely different with Blu-Ray and especially the PS3. Blu-Ray players have plenty of room for price drops. They were selling competitively with HD-DVD stand along sales at more than double the price, what do you think is going to happen once Blu-Ray starts with their price drops? Toshiba won't be able to match Blu-Ray price drops because they've already lowered the price to a point where it can go no further. With the PS3, it's just now hitting mainstream prices. If you think the sales of the PS3 will not be over 250,000 this month, you're fooling yourself. And guess what, the PS3's sales this month will effectively null the sales that Toshiba got with their price drop.

If you look further into the future, it's a even bleaker situation, because once the PS3 hits the $299 price point, the system will be selling at a rate of 300K-500K a month, with sales of 1-2 million during November and December. Even this holiday season with the price drop, the PS3 will sell around a million units for November and December. You guys can try and downplay the importance of the PS3 in Blu-Ray sales with your 20% attach ratio(which I think is complete BS, more like 30-35%). Here's the other thing most HD-DVD people are not thinking of. What's stopping the other 70-80% of PS3 owners from picking up Blu-Ray? Odds are once the prices of the movies start to drop, you're going to see a massive increase of Blu-Ray movie sales

 

[knicks]

Wulfer, PS3 has been on Wii's tail in Japan for the past few weeks now when the extremely effective price cut (40GB), DS3 and new colors weren't even out yet. Meanwhile Microsoft had slashed the 360 price in half in Japan on November 1st the day AC6 came out. As for today the new hardware is out in Japan. Don't expect 360 to ever do what it did last week again for the next couple of months.

 

[Kolgar]

Jeez, I think I'll just be quiet for a while and lurk. Big picture, PS3 has kept BluRay on top by a wide margin while price differential on players has dropped to about half of what it was and will only get smaller. HD-DVD may or may not sell enough players to convince WB to pick them in January, or to stay dual format. If stalemate continues, it will likely mean less titles released to HD formats overall, which is bad for everybody.

Haven't HD DVD players always cost approximately half of BD hardware? Thing is, $299, $199, and $99 are the three big doors to mass-market adoption, which is something Sony's known and preached since the original PlayStation (but seems to have forgotten since then).

Still though, yours is a pretty fair and balanced assessment. Toshiba has to get it done this holiday because if they can't take support away from Blu-ray by early next year, the prices of Blu-ray standalone hardware will have reached the point of parity and Tosh will have lost its biggest advantage. PS3 will have achieved Sony's goal of bridging the gap to affordable standalone players and that, as they say, will be that.

Nobody knows what's going to happen, but the Blu folks get blasted by the HD-DVD folks for calling out the trend.

What I like about your summary is that you acknowledge the possibility that Toshiba could move enough players this holiday to win more support. It may be a long shot, but it has to be considered if one is being realistic about this at all. I just don't see a lot of Blu folks even allowing themselves to entertain the idea.

Anybody who is remotely interested in HD movies relizes that there is a blu-ray player in the PS3. They also realize that it is the cheapest blu-ray player. If blu-ray is leading in HD movie sales what does it matter what player sells more? The consumers, the producers, the retailers, and the main advanced technology companies are all in favor of blu-ray. There is nothing more to it.

Read back a few pages. Or take a marketing course or spend a day reading over at www.ries.com; it'll be worth your while.

 

[knicks]

Anybody who is remotely interested in HD movies relizes that there is a blu-ray player in the PS3. They also realize that it is the cheapest blu-ray player. If blu-ray is leading in HD movie sales what does it matter what player sells more? The consumers, the producers, the retailers, and the main advanced technology companies are all in favor of blu-ray. There is nothing more to it.

 

[VanMardigan]

When the debate turns to Ps3 as a gaming console, we're off track. Seriously, we've been over this, leave the console debating to the gaming forum. Let's talk BD and HD DVD. I know it's tempting to bring up the Ps3's pathetic sales as a gaming console up, but in THIS conversation, it's the high def media killer app so far. So let's all just go back to talking about the movies and software sales if we can't steer clear of console war crap when discussing hardware sales.

And it's going on for both sides, too. Blu Ray folks need to chill out talking about the hardware sales if they can't help bringing up other consoles. Bish has and will clean up the mess if you guys can't get back on topic.

I think that if your post has "wii" or "xbox" you're in the wrong thread, period.

There are players going 379 and 349 this holiday season, they will hit 299 by spring easily.
(And it will not be a 1080i version

That came off as a cheap shot, so I'm obligated to point out that HD DVD ALREADY has 1080p players at that range.

 

[Yogi_bear]

When the debate turns to Ps3 as a gaming console, we're off track. Seriously, we've been over this, leave the console debating to the gaming forum. Let's talk BD and HD DVD. I know it's tempting to bring up the Ps3's pathetic sales as a gaming console up, but in THIS conversation, it's the high def media killer app so far. So let's all just go back to talking about the movies and software sales if we can't steer clear of console war crap when discussing hardware sales.

And it's going on for both sides, too. Blu Ray folks need to chill out talking about the hardware sales if they can't help bringing up other consoles. Bish has and will clean up the mess if you guys can't get back on topic.

Except we're not talking about the PS3 as a gaming console. We're talking about it as a legit BluRay player, what is so hard to comprehend about that? BluRay is part of the PS3, thus it's a topic in this conversation. Like it has been said before, the PS3 is one of the best BluRay players out on the market and the cheapest. Why would someone who is looking to pick up a BluRay player not consider the PS3 as a viable solution for them?

You're logic here is just dumbfounding. You cannot discount the PS3 sales/impact on the HD movie market. If you own a PS3, you own a BluRay player which means you're a viable consumer of the HD movie market. Just because some PS3 owners are not picking up BluRay movies right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future.

 

[knicks]

Actually, Wulfer brought it up and then I replied to it. :lol

 

[VanMardigan]

Except we're not talking about the PS3 as a gaming console. We're talking about it as a legit BluRay player, what is so hard to comprehend about that? BluRay is part of the PS3, thus it's a topic in this conversation. Like it has been said before, the PS3 is one of the best BluRay players out on the market and the cheapest. Why would someone who is looking to pick up a BluRay player not consider the PS3 as a viable solution for them?

You're logic here is just dumbfounding.

You sir, do not comprehend what you just quoted. Ps3 conversation is and has always been legit. When the convo starts to include other consoles and sales in relation to other consoles, we're off track. Simple.

 

[Yogi_bear]

You sir, do not comprehend what you just quoted. Ps3 conversation is and has always been legit. When the convo starts to include other consoles and sales in relation to other consoles, we're off track. Simple.

Who was bringing up other consoles? As far as I've seen in the thread, it's been people trying to discount the PS3's influence. Maybe I missed someone's comment about a Xbox or Wii or something like that, so I might have been mistaken.

 

[FIREBABY]

Except we're not talking about the PS3 as a gaming console. We're talking about it as a legit BluRay player, what is so hard to comprehend about that? BluRay is part of the PS3, thus it's a topic in this conversation. Like it has been said before, the PS3 is one of the best BluRay players out on the market and the cheapest. Why would someone who is looking to pick up a BluRay player not consider the PS3 as a viable solution for them?

You're logic here is just dumbfounding. You cannot discount the PS3 sales/impact on the HD movie market. If you own a PS3, you own a BluRay player which means you're a viable consumer of the HD movie market. Just because some PS3 owners are not picking up BluRay movies right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future.

Beacuse I wanted HD cables and a remote with mine.

 

[knicks]

Who was bringing up other consoles? As far as I've seen in the thread, it's been people trying to discount the PS3's influence. Maybe I missed someone's comment about a Xbox or Wii or something like that, so I might have been mistaken.

Wulfer and I were he is right, it was getting off-topic, my bad.

 

[VanMardigan]

Who was bringing up other consoles? As far as I've seen in the thread, it's been people trying to discount the PS3's influence. Maybe I missed someone's comment about a Xbox or Wii or something like that, so I might have been mistaken.

Yeah, I think you should go back and read this very page. It usually helps to read before responding with stupid stuff. There are some new members debating now, so it's important to note that this is not a console war thread.

Just because most PS3 owners are not picking up BluRay movies right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future.

edited for truth

 

[OokieSpookie]

That came off as a cheap shot, so I'm obligated to point out that HD DVD ALREADY has 1080p players at that range.

I agree with you, and those are the players that should be backed and pushed.
Do not get me wrong and let me be very clear, I have nothing against any other player or price that Toshiba put out there other than the A2.
I think it was too much too fast.
Even at 149 I would have given it more credit and it would have still sold out.
I just believe that jumping to 99 was a bad and desperate call and I believe that it will hurt sales of other stand alones.

Also some people ( not you ) want to pretend that stand alone BD players do not sell and that is not the case.
And they will start picking up steam as the price comes down.
The PS3 will be parked where it is for quite some time and stand alones will pass it in price and take the lead.
I am honestly kind of sick of people trying to play the stand alone game.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Yeah, I think you should go back and read this very page. It usually helps to read before responding with stupid stuff. There are some new members debating now, so it's important to note that this is not a console war thread.



edited for truth

Can not agree enough.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Now, I realize this thread is essentially an online VIP room for Blu-ray circle jerking, and I generally steer clear when the breathing gets hot and heavy. But I still wonder why some Blu supporters seem to flaunt their condescension and such an irrational sense of entitlement, as if Blu-ray is and always has been The One True Way and Toshiba and its studios and customers should just stand down and get the fuck out of your way.

Whoa chill out there partner, take it easy. semi-colon close parenthesis.

 

[YYZ]

I wonder what will happen to this thread when one side wins.

 

[purnoman3000]

Beacuse I wanted HD cables and a remote with mine.

I agree....

*opens HD-DVD player*
Wait a minute.....

*opens Blu-ray player*
That bastard Firebaby lied to me, there isn't shit in here.

Now I gotta buy a 30$ remote that's gonna destroy my 400$ budget. I should have just spent the 500$ on a real Blu-Ray player. Screw these games.

 

[chubigans]

Let's try to get this thread back together.

HD-format owners: any movies you plan on showcasing to the fam this Thanksgiving or holiday? Perhaps a family movie or something for the relatives? I was thinking of a little Ratatouille myself, possibly the Day After Tomorrow.

It'll floor em', thats for sure.

 

[VanMardigan]

Toshiba A3 $179.99 Shipped at Sears.com

Tonight only.

 

[Yogi_bear]

Let's try to get this thread back together.

HD-format owners: any movies you plan on showcasing to the fam this Thanksgiving or holiday? Perhaps a family movie or something for the relatives? I was thinking of a little Ratatouille myself, possibly the Day After Tomorrow.

It'll floor em', thats for sure.

If you want to showcase PQ, Ratatouille is probably the best, it looks amazing on my new tv. Might want to try the Pixar shorts as well. Spider Man 3 looked incredible as well, too bad I didn't want to watch a daytime sope opera.

 

[Zombie James]

Let's try to get this thread back together.

HD-format owners: any movies you plan on showcasing to the fam this Thanksgiving or holiday? Perhaps a family movie or something for the relatives? I was thinking of a little Ratatouille myself, possibly the Day After Tomorrow.

It'll floor em', thats for sure.

Ordered Planet Earth from DeepDiscount yesterday, that should blow some people away.

 

[Argyle]

Toshiba A3 $179.99 Shipped at Sears.com

Tonight only.

Showing up as $199 for me...

 

[OokieSpookie]

Ordered Planet Earth from DeepDiscount yesterday, that should blow some people away.

What did it come to?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Beacuse I wanted HD cables and a remote with mine.

That's only fair enough if you have an adverse reaction to accessories.

 

[Argyle]

That's only fair enough if you have an adverse reaction to accessories.

Not only that, my HD DVD player came with composite (!!!) cables...and they don't list the contents on the box on the outside, so people don't even know they need to buy cables while they are still at the store.

I wonder how many people who own A2s have it hooked up over composite because that's what was in the box

 

[Snah]

Jeez, I think I'll just be quiet for a while and lurk. Big picture, PS3 has kept BluRay on top by a wide margin while price differential on players has dropped to about half of what it was and will only get smaller. HD-DVD may or may not sell enough players to convince WB to pick them in January, or to stay dual format. If stalemate continues, it will likely mean less titles released to HD formats overall, which is bad for everybody. Nobody knows what's going to happen, but the Blu folks get blasted by the HD-DVD folks for calling out the trend. Assholes like Snah, Days, Wulfer, petrarca like to stir up shit with absolute statements and generalizations. Fuck it. I guess I'm "butthurt" to use the mature language of the thread.

Perhaps you shouldn't call people "assholes" if you don't want to look like one yourself.

Sorry if I'm not trying to be impartial here in this discussion, but I don't go around personally insulting people either.

 

[djkimothy]

Ordered Planet Earth from DeepDiscount yesterday, that should blow some people away.

Good choice. Though my Thanksgivng is over (Canada), I'm holding a Ratatouille movie day at my place Tuesday. Should be fun.

edit: what happened to this thread? Go play Call of Duty or something.

 

[VanMardigan]

Showing up as $199 for me...

put it in your cart, you'll get an extra 10% off.

hmmm, it's giving an error message now about the item not being available for deliver.

 

[dante786]

Ordered Planet Earth from DeepDiscount yesterday, that should blow some people away.

Truth. I got that a few months back and the whole family gathered around that shit. It really is a fantastic series, gorgeous to watch too.

 

[Wulfer]

Sorry guys, my intent was not to turn my post into a videogame vs HDM war. I was simply stating before that week no one would look at the idea that the PS3 (as a format) losing a week or ever for that matter in Japan. I didn't mean to bring the other consoles in this. Forgive me...

 

[Fafalada]

Sorry guys, my intent was not to turn my post into a videogame vs HDM war. I was simply stating before that week no one would look at the idea that the PS3 (as a format) losing a week or ever for that matter in Japan. I didn't mean to bring the other consoles in this. Forgive me...

Actually considering the presence (or rather, complete lack of thereof) that HDDVD has in many other parts of the world, the other console actually makes for a good analogy.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Perhaps you shouldn't call people "assholes" if you don't want to look like one yourself.

Sorry if I'm not trying to be impartial here in this discussion, but I don't go around personally insulting people either.

After the shit you've stirred up in the last week or two in here, I don't really care what you think of me.