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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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mollipen

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djkimothy said:
Great! Now I can be bothered at home as well as the theatre with witty chatter during the movie.

Actually, I think you're on to something here. "Bring the authentic theater experience home!"

Now all we need is to add a little feature to the front of Blu-ray / HD-DVD players that will spray popcorn butter on your floor to make it sticky (and give you that authentic theater smell).
 
StoOgE said:
and spent an hour updating firmware :lol

Only to have it completely fuck up their player. I just downloaded the latest update and it's completely borked. I'm just glad it's only 6 months into the warranty.
 

djkimothy

Member
VanMardigan said:
um, you have to ENABLE this feature and connect with friends. Are you going to enable it just so you can bitch about it here?

Well, i think it's still a pointless feature. If you're going to hold a movie night, invite your friends over. Don't tell them to stay at home and watch the movie there. :lol

If you want to chit chat during the movie in different locations, then use the phone or text message or something. Seriously, I don't know how this feature got green lighted.

Now all we need is to add a little feature to the front of Blu-ray / HD-DVD players that will spray popcorn butter on your floor to make it sticky (and give you that authentic theater smell).

No, the real authentic theatre experience would be to have your player kick the back of your seat randomly throughout the movie. Then have your player talk to your other home theatre appliances commenting on the movie. Just in case your friends don't want to text you while they watch their Harry Potter at home.
 
so I exploited the Mario Galaxy $25 gift card at BB this morning and walked out with CEot3K for 12 bucks. Would have been less but I forgot about the 10% coupon in my pocket. :/

haven't watched 2001 yet...maybe I'll make Monday Sci-Fi Monday since I don't have class that night due to the holiday.
 

Wulfer

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Oh look at all the Blu campers already down playing a feature they don't have. Well, guys I'm shocked to see you down playing (no really) ok, maybe not at all shocked... So, what's next guys, when do you down start down playing Beowulf I know it's coming? Since, you guys don't want these added features how about this, disconnect your computers and forget posting here after all that's a useless feature of the PC right?
 

acabado

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Oni Jazar

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WULFER said:
Oh look at all the Blu campers already down playing a feature they don't have. Well, guys I'm shocked to see you down playing (no really) ok, maybe not at all shocked... So, what's next guys, when do you down start down playing Beowulf I know it's coming? Since, you guys don't want these added features how about this, disconnect your computers and forget posting here after all that's a useless feature of the PC right?

Oh look at all the HD DVD campers already adoring this feature and setting up Harry Potter parties even though it would be a phenomenon if the feature was used once and a "Hail Mary appearing in your house with grilled cheese sandwiches in the likeness of baby Jesus himself" type miracle if used more then once.

:)
 

snorggy

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WULFER said:
Oh look at all the Blu campers already down playing a feature they don't have. Well, guys I'm shocked to see you down playing (no really) ok, maybe not at all shocked... So, what's next guys, when do you down start down playing Beowulf I know it's coming? Since, you guys don't want these added features how about this, disconnect your computers and forget posting here after all that's a useless feature of the PC right?

seriously? you want to sit in your home theatre with a headset on and chat while watching a movie? this is a great feature? WOW
 

Wulfer

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I wonder, if games developers didn't try to push new ways of gaming would you be happy? I think all the console owners might disagree with your thoughts! Should movie developers try any less? You guys act oh look there another crap feature. Ask yourselves what has BDA offered other than a HD movie and sound?
 
WULFER said:
I wonder, if games developers didn't try to push new ways of gaming would you be happy? I think all the console owners might disagree with your thoughts! Should movie developers try any less? You guys act oh look there another crap feature. Ask yourselves what has BDA offered other than a HD movie and sound?

Affordable movies?
 
WULFER said:
I wonder, if games developers didn't try to push new ways of gaming would you be happy? I think all the console owners might disagree with your thoughts! Should movie developers try any less? You guys act oh look there another crap feature. Ask yourselves what has BDA offered other than a HD movie and sound?
Honestly that's enough for me. I like special features like director commentaries and behind the scenes stuff but some of the gimmicks that are coming out of this HD era are nothing more than that, gimmicks.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
I called it. Sound like Nintendo fanboys too: "you want to watch a movie with your friends, have them come over!!@2!11!" :lol

But having a frickin game demo is somehow a great special feature to have on a movie? Give me a break. It's there for those who want to do it, but the negative reactions to an innovative feature just fanboyism. I didn't see the uproar over a fricking movie length java game where you pick out cars. In both cases, just avoid them. In one case, there's a negative reaction, and in the other, indifference and even feigned being impressed.
 
VanMardigan said:
I didn't see the uproar over a fricking movie length java game where you pick out cars.


That's because nobody here made a post heralding it as the second coming. In fact, I can't think of one Blu-ray poster here who has expressed any interest in this at all.

I didn't fire the interactive game on this or Ratatouille. Watched a lot of extras, tho.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
That's because nobody here made a post heralding it as the second coming.

Selective memory, as usual. When this movie was announced, the fact that it had HDi-like features (including the interactive stuff) WAS posted here.
 

B-Ri

Member
wow graphs still show blu-ray in the lead. Awesome to see Rat and Pixar short films collection on there, i bought both and absolutely love them. I need to get the spiderman HD collection
 
VanMardigan said:
Selective memory, as usual. When this movie was announced, the fact that it had HDi-like features (including the interactive stuff) WAS posted here.


Read my post agin: posted here, but not as the second coming. Posted here as "see, Blu-ray can do this too." Feature parity, not actual interest. Go find a post where somebody says they're anticipating it. I dare ya.
 

VanMardigan

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Read my post agin: posted here, but not as the second coming. Posted here as "see, Blu-ray can do this too." Feature parity, not actual interest. Go find a post where somebody says they're anticipating it. I dare ya.


So did you actually bother to read Wulfer's post or did you read that as a "second coming" type post?

He points out a new feature for HDi, just like you claim it was done on the Blu Ray side, with a link to the article. Second coming??? pfffffffffffffffttttttttttt. I even posted that I probably wasn't even getting the movie, and borghe posted a tongue in cheek comment. I'd like to see how this was presented as anything other than what it is, a new feature.
 
VanMardigan said:
Selective memory, as usual. When this movie was announced, the fact that it had HDi-like features (including the interactive stuff) WAS posted here.

You are trying way too hard Van.
Seriously nobody ever made a big deal out of the java games, and when they spoke of the hdi they were talking about the in movie menus and whatnot.
Whatever.
Yay for chat I guess.
I can tell you that the LAST thing that I want when I am watching a movie is either someone babbling or a stupid text message window.
If I want to chat 99% of people that I know have unlimited text messaging for those very rare moments that I do not have my laptop on.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Don't worry, I KNEW FOR A FACT that you and the rest of the boys would not only NOT care, but actually take a negative approach. Worse than indifference, again not surprising. Transparent, for sure.
 

maharg

idspispopd
OokieSpookie said:
Affordable movies?

To be fair, as is often pointed out in this thread, the studios and CE companies didn't get into this to give people affordable movies. They got into it to have a new product with a *larger* margin. These features aren't driving up prices, the very nature of the people creating the new market (on both sides) are.

It's kind of funny how this thread always seems to oscillate between that being a good or a bad thing.
 
Van, more is being made of this than any java game. That's not selective memory.

I mean, this has been compared to efforts of game designers to advance gaming. Where's the supposedly similar hype for any java game? :lol

Yeah, I know it's pretty much just Wulfer, but that's what we're all responding to.
 
VanMardigan said:
Don't worry, I KNEW FOR A FACT that you and the rest of the boys would not only NOT care, but actually take a negative approach. Worse than indifference, again not surprising. Transparent, for sure.

One negative reply, and couple of mild interest/disinterest posts, and one toungue-in-cheek follow-on, then a bunch of people reacting to the defensiveness. :lol

Yeah, we're sooooo negative.
 

VanMardigan

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Yeah, I know it's pretty much just Wulfer, but that's what we're all responding to.

So between wulfer's first post and his second one where he did those comparisons, just about every Blu regular hadn't already dismissed it? Can your justifications get more absurd?
 
maharg said:
To be fair, as is often pointed out in this thread, the studios and CE companies didn't get into this to give people affordable movies. They got into it to have a new product with a *larger* margin. These features aren't driving up prices, the very nature of the people creating the new market (on both sides) are.

It's kind of funny how this thread always seems to oscillate between that being a good or a bad thing.

Sorry, I may have not been clear.
I meant the bogo sales and whatnot.
To me all I care about are the movies with the best possible transfer, best possible audio. and plenty of behind the scenes goodies.
Games? Chat? I couldn't care less.
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
VanMardigan said:
Don't worry, I KNEW FOR A FACT that you and the rest of the boys would not only NOT care, but actually take a negative approach. Worse than indifference, again not surprising. Transparent, for sure.

I said wow :lol
 
VanMardigan said:
So between wulfer's first post and his second one where he did those comparisons, just about every Blu regular hadn't already dismissed it? Can your justifications get more absurd?


I didn't dismiss it. Read my reaction. Ookie didn't dismiss it.

You called it awesome, and Kolgar called it exciting. I expressed mild interest, calling it weird but cool. Ookie made no judgement. But as soon as somebody made one negative comment, you guys ran the defensive game, at which point people piled on.

Forget selective memory, you have selective reading in the first place.

Btw, you have yet to find me post where somebody says they're looking forward to the Cars java game, let alone called it exciting or awesome. :lol
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ok, I'll leave it at that. After all, it's just one page back and the top of this page so people can see the reactions for themselves. Your claim that it was a response to wulfer is just false, and now you've moved the goalpost again.

moving on:

Consumer Reports Rates Blu-ray, HD DVD Players

Two next-gen disc players from opposite sides of the high-def format war tied for first-place honors in the December issue of Consumer Reports.

The two players -- Pioneer's DBP-94HD and Toshiba's HD-XA2 -- each earned an overall score of 91% from the leading Consumer advocacy magazine, which evaluated a total of nine HD DVD and Blu-ray players from various manufacturers.

The other players tested by CR included two Blu-ray players from Panasonic (the DMP-BD10 and the DMP-BD10A), two from Sony (the BDP-S1 and the BDP-S300), two additional players from Toshiba (the HD-A2 and the HD-A20), and LG's first-gen dual-format player, the BH100.

According to the magazine, all of the players tested provided excellent HD picture quality with high-def discs. Less consistent was the quality of upscaled video-based content from standard-def DVDs, with the LG dual-format player and the two lower-end Toshiba HD DVD players (the A2 and the A20) each earning only "fair" marks in that category.

Still, overall, even the lowest rated of the bunch -- Toshiba's HD-A20 -- earned an overall score of 74, which is defined as "very good" by Consumer Reports.

In the end, the magazine concludes that when it comes to players, both formats each have their advantages -- for HD DVD, it's price; for Blu-ray it's a wider choice of players from various manufacturers.

It's too bad the price of the XA2 stays put. I don't think that player will come down in price any time soon.
 
VanMardigan said:
Ok, I'll leave it at that. After all, it's just one page back and the top of this page so people can see the reactions for themselves. Your claim that it was a response to wulfer is just false, and now you've moved the goalpost again.

You set the goalpost when you made the comarison to Cars java game! :lol

You said nobody downplayed that feature. I'll be happy to if you like, it's justy that nobody was trumpeting is as the second coming (my initial exact words, no goalpost-moving here) so there was no need to.

I also don't see half the negativeity that you do. *one* person put it down, one followed with a tongue-in-cheek response, one more only chimed in after Wulfer and you got all huffy. Two expressed curiosity over the feature, with one of those calling the feature "weird, but cool."

Yeah, we're sooooooo negative about htat feautre. You and Wulfer are the biggest martyrs on the planet. Boo hoo hoo. Are you that insecure?
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Yeah, we're sooooooo negative about htat feautre. You and Wulfer are the biggest martyrs on the planet. Boo hoo hoo. Are you that insecure?

You always resort to this stupid crap. How am I a martyr in this? Do you even know what that word means? Did I say that I was being attacked? So every time I take a position on HD DVD I'm a martyr?
 

Andy787

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I can't believe we're going on like two pages worth of people arguing about a special feature.

You get the movie either way. It seems like every time I make a post in this thread, it is simply trying to bring attention back to what really should be the center of discussion here; HD movies. This format war is so stupid.
 
VanMardigan said:
You always resort to this stupid crap. How am I a martyr in this? Do you even know what that word means? Did I say that I was being attacked? So every time I take a position on HD DVD I'm a martyr?

Martyr was the wrong word. Victim.

By playing that your the victim of some mass of Blu hooligans the second a criticism comes across.

Still haven't responded to anything I said....

...we're done.
 

Kolgar

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Yep, I did call the Live Community Screening feature "exciting." Hey, this kind of thing is pretty much unprecedented in a movie player.

Granted, I wish there was a way to do voice chat. THAT would be awesome. Hey, if Blu-ray wins, maybe Sony will enable some way for PS3 users to live-voice-chat during movies?

Somebody get on that. It's an Xbox LIVE-like feature that seems superficial now, but will eventually become standard.

Switching topics: From reading the other thread about the Die Hard BD release, I guess the movie's gimped no matter which format you buy it on (DVD or BD). Guess I'll wait for reviews to see which one I should buy, but damn, I'd appreciate the movie makers not fucking up my favorite franchises.

edit: I see there are unused USB ports on Tosh players; the instruction manual says they're for future "games and drawing software." I suppose they could be made to support USB headsets, too! :)
 

Dot50Cal

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Kolgar said:
Yep, I did call the Live Community Screening feature "exciting." Hey, this kind of thing is pretty much unprecedented in a movie player.

For a reason.

The fact that its on an individual per title basis spells doom for it. Hell, the entire concept is pretty stupid if you ask me.

So you have to call up your friend:

"Hey, turn on your HD-DVD player and put in Harry Potter so we can both watch it and text message each other during the movie using our players!"

-But wait, why don't we just speak on the phone since were already on the line, or better yet why dont I come over?

"BECAUSE WE MUST USE THIS EXCITING NEW FEATURE!!!!"

Give me a break guys.
 

Kolgar

Member
Dot50Cal said:
The fact that its on an individual per title basis spells doom for it.

Yes, DOOM. Treachery, suffering, and pain. Right?

Look, it's a fricking Harry Potter movie. I can't stand the little twerp, and I'll be darned if I'll buy his movies even if they support HDi lap dances from some hot wizardress. (Well, OK, I'd buy it then.)

But look who this is aimed at. For KIDS and other text-crazy youngens, this feature might just be cool.

As for me, I'll be more interested when these players support voice chat. Which, given the USB ports on the front of Toshiba's players, might actually become a reality some day.

edit: Maybe you saw my post above where I mention the USB ports and the part of Toshiba's instruction manual that talks about "games and drawing software." It sounds to me like the plan is for lots of interactive features, and who's to say right now what will eventually become standard and what's a one-off on an individual title?

I might also add that it's interesting Warner is embracing these features, dedicating the time and effort to create them for a format that certainly has no chance of winning, yes?

I am glad to see someone innovating here, and if the first few tentative steps are gimmicks or "useless" features, well, at least it's progress to something bigger and better than we had before. You gotta walk before you can run, build it and they will come, etc., etc., etc.
 

teiresias

Member
HD-DVDs are going to have so many extra features pretty soon, that the actual movie will have to be in avatar-sized gif format on Disc 2.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
So I bought 6 Blu Ray movies as part of the BOGO sales:

-Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
-Casino Royale
-BlackHawk Down
-Open Season
-Talladega Nights: Ballad of Ricky Bobby
-Deja Vu

I figured I saved about $70 (including shipping) on internet prices and a whole lot more on MSRP. The timing on these deals is excellent for me having just picked up a Ps3. Every one of those movies I was going to buy anyway. I'd get the original PoTC but I'm hoping they fix the framing issues first. There are definitely more movies I want to buy, but I already spent enough on hardware/software.

That, plus the 5 free movies I'm getting with my Ps3, puts the total at 11, half of my HD DVD collection already.
 

gkryhewy

Member
According to CAG, there will be another WalMart secret sale on 11/24-11/25 where purchasers of the 80GB PS3 (in store) for the $499 MSRP can choose 10 free BRDs for free, in addition to the 5 free by rebate.

I know that if Snah weren't banned, he would have posted this at least 4 times, so this deal is posted in his honor.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
VanMardigan said:
Oh, I see (I think). My tv needs to do 48, 72, or 120? So 24 doesn't count?

If so, I'll just disable the option on the Ps3 then.


Yeah....afaik, the Mits WD-57734 accepts 1080p/24 but will not display it at 48, 72 or 120Hz so judder is not avoided...


Think of it this way....there are 3 classes of TVs


1.) TV does not accept 1080p/24 Blu Ray or HD DVD source and just displays everything @ its native 60Hz frame rate(most pre 2007 HDTVs do this)


2.) TV *DOES* accept 1080p/24 Blu Ray or HD DVD source but doesn't do 3:3 cadence processing so just displays everything @ its native 60Hz frame rate, potentially re-introducing judder from 24fps source(Your mits is in this class)


3.) TV accepts 1080p/24 Blu Ray or HD DVD source and has available framerate mode that is a multiple of 24 (either 48Hz as is the case in some Sony SXRDs, 72Hz like the Pioneer Kuros or 120Hz like the newer LCDs) Judder is *usually* avoided in this case, but some of the 120Hz LCDs dont repeat frames but instead interwieve black frames between normal frames and in this case judder is magnified:lol


To re-interate, a Movie is shot at 24 frames per second, this means that for every second of the movie, there are 24 images captured.

Televisions, however, typically work at 60Hz in NTSC territories, which means they must show 60 images per second. 24 doesn't fit into 60 evenly, so what is done is the first image is shown three times, the next one twice, the next three times, and so on. Doing it this way fits the 24 frames into 60 nicely, but as every second image is shown for longer, the image "judders" and movement is not smooth.

Newer televisions can now accept 24Hz signals from BluRay or HD DVD players. If they are dealing with the signal properly, it means that it is shown at a multiple of 24, typically that is 48Hz, 72Hz or 120Hz.

The reason most displays don't display the 24fps signal at 24Hz is because the image flickers very badly when you do this. Depending on the display technology, it is sped up to different rates. 48Hz is common with projectors, which means that every image is shown twice - this works well, and is what most cinemas use.

Some (but not all) Plasmas typically use 72Hz - this is because 48Hz has a noticeable flicker on a Plasma, due to the way they draw their image.


Some displays out there, usually older ones, may accept a 24Hz signal, but then convert this internally back to 60Hz, which means they re-introduce the judder, completely missing the point of why you are sending it a 24Hz signal in the first place. It sounds like your Mits is doing that.
 

Kolgar

Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
Kolgar, you could use the control for starting/stopping and syncing playback and the phone for voice. That would be pretty smooth.

:lol Good one, Mouse.

No, I have friends in far-flung places and I think I'd prefer a multiple-party voice-chat setup to five-way calling on my cell phone (if that's even possible) any day. I think long-distance "movie parties" would be fun, especially on release days or weekends.
 
I wasn't trying to be snarky, I meant it. I see that it doesn't work in a lot of cases, but I assume the vast majority of the time this feature will be used by two people and within geographical calling distance.

I actually have a friend who calls an old friend they watch their Tivo'ed shows at the same time. That's one reason I didn't dismiss the feature when it came up-- I know somebody who would use it.
 

Bebpo

Banned
I thought the week would be higher with Pixar + Spiderman. Was expecting 75-85%

Wish Pixar Shorts Collection had done better. Best of the 3 Pixar discs IMO and doing below Transformers at this point means it probably bombed.
 

RaidenZR

Member
I'll go on record as someone criticizing that chat feature also as someone who thinks the Cars java game crap is worthless too. I'm sure some kid out there loves it but for me personally, I'd rather have a team over there do another Pixar short or something. And some of you guys are really stretching it with your excitement over the in-movie chat. Jeez. The studios (all of them) seem so desperate for bullet points these days.
 
No real confirmation on this but itis popping up in different places, but apparently part of Walmart's next secret sale on black friday is a number of free movies in addition to the normal 5 you get free when you buy a ps3 or blu ray player.
Now the number being tossed around is just way to high in my eyes so I will wait to see.
 
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