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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Run Lola Run
Release Date: February 19th
Studio: Sony
MSRP $28.95

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30 Days Of Night
Release Date: February 19th
Studio: Sony
MSRP $38.96
 
VanMardigan said:
It's funny cause the article that's quoted takes a crap all over that assumption of yours. Also........aren't you format neutral???

I thought that article was a load of crap the first time I read it. It hasn't improved.


Edit: I'm watching Bourne 1 right now.. Run Lola Run indeed!
 
Just got my 2001 Blu-Ray here in Canada from Amazon.com. No brokerage fees or anything! $27 shipped and it would have cost me the same amount to buy it new before taxes here in Canada.

Has anyone buying off the US site been charged brokerage/customs fees? I'm planning on ordering Doctor Who season three and the 5-Disc blade runner set and was hoping this wasn't a fluke.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
DoctorWho said:
Just got my 2001 Blu-Ray here in Canada from Amazon.com. No brokerage fees or anything! $27 shipped and it would have cost me the same amount to buy it new before taxes here in Canada.

Has anyone buying off the US site been charged brokerage/customs fees? I'm planning on ordering Doctor Who season three and the 5-Disc blade runner set and was hoping this wasn't a fluke.

I doubt you will ever pay those, they transfer the package to their canadian facility.
 
Bebpo said:
Ewwww. Looks like the edge enhancement is going and there is a ton of grain :\

The Die Hard 3 transfer was the worst I have ever seen out of a major movie. Made it look like it was shot on video. Glad to see the BR is more true to the source. DH3 was intentionally grainy looking.
 
DoctorWho said:
Just got my 2001 Blu-Ray here in Canada from Amazon.com. No brokerage fees or anything! $27 shipped and it would have cost me the same amount to buy it new before taxes here in Canada.

Has anyone buying off the US site been charged brokerage/customs fees? I'm planning on ordering Doctor Who season three and the 5-Disc blade runner set and was hoping this wasn't a fluke.

Until Canadian retailers fix their prices to match US retailers, I'll continue to order from Amazon and DVD Pacific.

I think you have to pay custom fees if you get it delivered by a courier like UPS.

Future Shop currently has a bunch of Paramount HD DVD movies at 19.99 each. Picked up The Italian Job at that price. They also have the buy 1 get 1 free deal for Sony Blu-ray titles.
 

Bildocube

Member
Is the Amazon.com 10 HD DVD movies and HD DVD player for 199 deal gonna happen on Friday? I tried adding this to cart but it gives me a much higher subtotal than 199...
 

Fëanor

Member
How do I update my A3 player without having to move to my router? Do I need to download a patch or something from the web and then burn it?
 
Frys.com is having another 13.99 sale for a very limited time including most fox titles.

From Hell
The Fly
The Day After Tomorrow
Broken Arrow
Courage Under Fire
Flight of the Phoenix
Men of Honor
Phone Booth
Planet of the Apes
The Sentinel
The Transporter
The Transporter 2
Mr Brooks

More also
 

Alcibiades

Member
Hey, for those of you that ordered the HD-A3 for $199 w/ 10 free movies deal from amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_961442_1?ie=UTF8&docId=1000167901

You should contact their customer service and ask them to adjust your payment by $40, since they just changed the price of the player to $159 (while still eligible for the promotion).

People on fatwallet.com are confirming getting their order price adjusted since the price change came within 30 days.
 
When is Amazon doing that sale thing where that poll was posted asking which item should go on sale? It had the hd-a35 for $150. Is that still gonna happen?
 
BoboBrazil said:
When is Amazon doing that sale thing where that poll was posted asking which item should go on sale? It had the hd-a35 for $150. Is that still gonna happen?
That one is monday, you go to the site and see if you were chosen to get the offer.
 

gkryhewy

Member
Bildocube said:
Is the Amazon.com 10 HD DVD movies and HD DVD player for 199 deal gonna happen on Friday? I tried adding this to cart but it gives me a much higher subtotal than 199...

It's actually $159! Just make sure you have the A3 in your cart from Amazon (LINK) rather than one of the other amazon marketplace sellers (tigerdirect, etc). If you're not happy with Amazon's shipping estimate (4 weeks, although I bet they get restocked before then), costco.com also has a nice deal (159 shipped, but without the extra 3 free discs): LINK
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I have been on a south seas island for three weeks with no internets at all. Am I to understand that HD DVD players are now free and you get a jillion free movies with them?
 

Alcibiades

Member
Stinkles said:
I have been on a south seas island for three weeks with no internets at all. Am I to understand that HD DVD players are now free and you get a jillion free movies with them?
more or less, YES
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
purnoman3000 said:
The Rock is scheduled for Jan. 8th for Blu-ray.

Also, fuck yeah, can't wait for 30 Days of Night on Blu-ray.


out in the UK already. Region free I think.

as are crimson tide, Starship troopers and con air. woo!

although with the insane prices in theUK and the exchange rates at the moment, they'll probably cost you about a million dollars each
 

RSTEIN

Comics, serious business!
Interesting article in the WSJ this morning.


WSJ said:
Latest Cut in DVD-Player Duel: Prices
Deals Rev Up the Blu-ray, HD DVD Battle
By YUKARI IWATANI KANE and SARAH MCBRIDE
November 23, 2007; Page B1

Until a few weeks ago, Bill Zimmerman had no interest in buying a next-generation DVD player, at least until a winner was declared in the battle between the two dueling formats, Blu-ray and HD DVD.

But the Kissimmee, Fla., copy editor changed his mind earlier this month when Wal-Mart Stores Inc. offered a special deal for an HD DVD player from Toshiba Corp. At $98.87, it was only a few dollars more than the standard Samsung DVD player that he was thinking of buying.

"Format concerns definitely went out the window at that price," Mr. Zimmerman says. Both Blu-ray and HD DVD players play high-definition movies with crisp images on big, high-definition televisions -- and also play regular DVDs. But until now, consumers have largely been reluctant to purchase players of either kind. With the next-generation players costing at least $300 more than standard machines, many were reluctant to spend the money on a player before the winning format was decided. What's more, consumers had to buy a pricey high-definition TV in order to see a difference in the images.


That picture is starting to change this holiday season since retailers began slashing the price of HD DVD players to a level much lower than anyone had expected. Makers of Blu-ray players are responding with their own price cuts.

Analysts say they don't expect the format battle to be decided until late next year at the earliest when more consumers will have high-definition TVs, prices on players will likely come down further, and more movies will be available. Nonetheless, while Blu-ray clearly led the race until recently, the aggressive holiday-season pricing could help bolster HD DVD's position, they say.

"The low price point was, if anything, a test and a precursor," says Paul Erickson, analyst at the NPD Group's DisplaySearch research firm. "They've shown that people will bite if the price is low." Mr. Erickson says he will probably revise his projections for HD DVD player sales upward though he declined to give an estimate. Tom Adams of consultancy Adams Media Research in Carmel, Calif., predicts that by the end of the year, households with stand-alone HD DVD players will total 600,000 and households with stand-alone Blu-ray players will total 400,000.

The price wars started late last month, when retailers like Wal-Mart, Amazon.com Inc. and Circuit City Stores Inc. dropped prices on a Toshiba player below $200 -- a critical level for electronic products that has sparked purchases in the past among general consumers. Then, Wal-Mart surprised industry observers by taking an additional $100 off in a 48-hour sale, triggering other retailers to match the price. The players sold out in minutes at some Wal-Mart stores. According to DisplaySearch, Toshiba sold 90,000 to 100,000 players in just two days.

Wal-Mart's $99 price was a temporary move to clear out an old Toshiba model, the HD-A2 player. But analysts expect the newer model to be available during specials for under $200. That is still much lower than the least expensive stand-alone Blu-ray player or Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 3 videogame console, which includes a Blu-ray player.

But makers of Blu-ray players are coming up with their own price cuts. After lowering its price on an existing Blu-ray player by $100 to $399 last Sunday, Sony, the lead manufacturer in the Blu-ray camp, said Best Buy customers could get an additional $100 gift certificate with every purchase starting today for the next few weeks, effectively making the players even less expensive. Customers will receive five free Blu-ray movies with their purchase; HD DVD buyers also get free movies.

"Make no mistake. We'll do what we have to do to remain competitive this holiday season on Blu-ray," said Sony's chief marketing officer, Andrew House.

While Blu-ray players cost more to make than HD DVD players and have had higher price tags, one big advantage for the Blu-ray camp has been more movie titles. Because of exclusive deals, only owners of Blu-ray players can watch movies by News Corp.'s Fox, Walt Disney Co., and Sony Pictures, while HD DVD player owners have exclusive access to titles by General Electric Co.'s Universal and Viacom Inc.'s Paramount. Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros. is the only studio that publishes on both formats.

But analysts say the price is now low enough that even Blu-ray fans might buy an additional HD DVD player so they can watch high-definition movies in either format.

Some Blu-ray backers say the format battle will depend just as much on the number of movie titles that each side sells, as movie studios will ultimately support the side that can sell more. Blu-ray now sells significantly more movies than HD DVD. "If you think the player price alone will somehow create mass adoption, that's a mistake," says Andy Parsons, senior vice president for business solutions at Pioneer Corp., a Blu-ray company. Movies in both formats typically cost $10-$15 more than regular DVDs.

One question is how long the companies can keep up such generous price cuts on players. A person familiar with the matter said that Wal-Mart bought about 55,000 HD-A2s from Toshiba for just under $200 apiece before the early November sale, and that it lost about $100 on each sale. A spokeswoman for Wal-Mart says the company doesn't comment on its negotiations with suppliers.

The head of Toshiba's HD DVD business, Yoshihide Fujii, says the company had no prior knowledge of Wal-Mart's plans and declined to comment on its marketing and promotional costs. "Right now we need to increase the size of the market," Mr. Fujii says. He adds that Toshiba expects to sell close to its goal of one million HD DVD players this calendar year, and triple that number next year.

Analysts say selling the players to Wal-Mart at such a low cost also likely represented a loss for Toshiba, but that's not unusual in the consumer-electronics business. Product plans generally call for getting rid of older generations of a product at low prices as newer generations hit stores, and the discounts are figured into the business models. Toshiba says it didn't sell any players below cost based purely on manufacturing expenses, but once marketing and promotional expenses are factored in, the HD DVD business is operating at a loss. The company expects it to turn profitable in its next fiscal year, beginning April 2008.

Increasingly, it seems that the solution to the format war may lie in dual-format players like the one from LG Electronics Inc. At around $1,000, they lie beyond the reach of most consumers this Christmas, but prices should drop drastically by next holiday season. At that point, consumers can buy high-definition movies regardless of format.

Excuse me if I bolded non important parts... I'm not really following the war. Just trying to do a GAFservice.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Increasingly, it seems that the solution to the format war may lie in dual-format players like the one from LG Electronics Inc. At around $1,000, they lie beyond the reach of most consumers this Christmas, but prices should drop drastically by next holiday season. At that point, consumers can buy high-definition movies regardless of format.


really? Even though in the article you quote no company releasing a dual format player, cite no evidence that consumers want dual format player, and there are very few dual format players out there?

I'm convinced this 'dual format is the solutoin' argument is just something that people are making up. There is absolutely no evidence that this is the way that manufacturers are going, nor that consumers want it. Its just a solution dreamed up by people fed up with the war.

I know another solution - let one of the formats win, and the other disappear.


I don't know how dual format will solve anything. You're still left with all those PS3s out there which only play bluray. What happens then? Given a marketplace with mostly either dual format or bluray only PS3s out there, wouldn't a 'neutral' company like Warner simply release only on bluray to save production costs and duplicating inventory?



edit: Good article link BTW - that rant isn't aimed at you, its aimed at the article writer :)
 
Well hell yeah to the Rock, for some reason I can watch that movie all day. Only have 3 Bluray titles, Talladega nights (got with ps3), Full metal Jacket (got as gift), and Hitch Hiker's guide to he Galaxy (got day one). I don't want to buy anything I already have on DVD, but The simpsons movie, batman begins, planet earth and the rock should make for some good pickups.
 
Well instant gratification took me over and I got an HD-DVD player from HHGregg or 149.99 with 7 discs.

I of course got the Toshiba HD-A3, the cost of entry was too low to resist.
 

LM4sure

Banned
mrklaw said:
really? Even though in the article you quote no company releasing a dual format player, cite no evidence that consumers want dual format player, and there are very few dual format players out there?

I'm convinced this 'dual format is the solutoin' argument is just something that people are making up. There is absolutely no evidence that this is the way that manufacturers are going, nor that consumers want it. Its just a solution dreamed up by people fed up with the war.

I know another solution - let one of the formats win, and the other disappear.


I don't know how dual format will solve anything. You're still left with all those PS3s out there which only play bluray. What happens then? Given a marketplace with mostly either dual format or bluray only PS3s out there, wouldn't a 'neutral' company like Warner simply release only on bluray to save production costs and duplicating inventory?



edit: Good article link BTW - that rant isn't aimed at you, its aimed at the article writer :)

Why wouldn't people want a dual format player? That way they can watch whatever movie they want, and not have to miss out on all the exclusive titles on hddvd. When they come down to an affordable level, I think they will be very popular.
 

Kolgar

Member
This site details some of the differences. Helps if you can read German, but there's plenty of pics too. ;)

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittberichte_special/diehard4.php

I went with the two-disc Unrated DVD version myself, and I'm glad I did. John McClane just isn't the same--a Die Hard movie just isn't the same--without the gritty language and blood spatters.

bud said:
a die hard movie isn't the same without john mctiernan, duh.

Eh, I thought this fourth installment did an admirable job. All told, it's my second-favorite Die Hard behind the original.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
These issues were discussed here and I clearly remember how snah and other blu ray defenders were arguing vehemently about who did what for the Wal-Mart sale.

wsj said:
Then, Wal-Mart surprised industry observers by taking an additional $100 off in a 48-hour sale, triggering other retailers to match the price.

A person familiar with the matter said that Wal-Mart bought about 55,000 HD-A2s from Toshiba for just under $200 apiece before the early November sale, and that it lost about $100 on each sale.

The head of Toshiba's HD DVD business, Yoshihide Fujii, says the company had no prior knowledge of Wal-Mart's plans and declined to comment on its marketing and promotional costs.

Toshiba says it didn't sell any players below cost based purely on manufacturing expenses

Just wanted to point out that I (and a few others who argued that this was Wal-Mart's doing) were absolutely right. Eat crow, to those who argued that Wal-Mart would never have taken a loss and that Toshiba was having a firesale. Plus, there were a bunch of people talking about how much Toshiba was losing on each player, and some were even arguing that they lost more per unit than Sony lost on Ps3, which is laughable.
 
OokieSpookie said:
Run Lola Run
Release Date: February 19th
Studio: Sony
MSRP $28.95

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30 Days Of Night
Release Date: February 19th
Studio: Sony
MSRP $38.96


I was actually wondering when Run Lola Run was going to see a BD release, I love that movie.
 
Van, I was agnostic on the Wal*Mart thing, but I certainly didn't expect them to have eaten $100 per player.

As long as we're copping to being wrong, Black Friday is here and I have long predicted that the price difference, factoring in different deals, would be $100 between platforms. BluRay has not come down as far as I expected, I think the best you can do is the $400 player + $100 gift card, which puts Blu-Ray more like $150 over HD-DVD today, and $200 over its lowest point.
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
Tom Adams of consultancy Adams Media Research in Carmel, Calif., predicts that by the end of the year, households with stand-alone HD DVD players will total 600,000 and households with stand-alone Blu-ray players will total 400,000.

There's something missing here. Some key point, a talking point, if you will. What could it be? :D
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
mrklaw said:
really? Even though in the article you quote no company releasing a dual format player, cite no evidence that consumers want dual format player, and there are very few dual format players out there?

Well, we know Toshiba, Sony, and Sharp/Matsushita will not be doing hybrid players because of how entrenched they are in this format war. LG jumped in first with a combo, and now is releasing (or already has released?) two separate units, with increasing functionality. Samsung, which was initially blu-only, delayed (or cancelled?) a blu ray player scheduled for December and is instead releasing a combo with full HD DVD and 1.1 blu ray spec functionality. The prices are still high, and there may be an artificial reason behind that, but I predict that by next year, that combo market will expand and grow as prices drop. Onkyo, RCA, Denon, and others are manufacturers who can benefit from that area, and current blu ray CE's would be wise to at least consider that, since on both sides, you aren't selling any standalones unless you're Sony or Toshiba. Even Sony is barely selling any standalones. It's all about Ps3 and Toshiba's A3s at this point, so other standalone manufacturers would be wise to look to the combo market if they want to sell some players.

Even at $1000 and above, the combo market was still 3-5% of the total standalone sales, so expect that percentage to grow if they keep driving the price down. As this stupid war drags on, the demand for combo players will continue to increase.

I know another solution - let one of the formats win, and the other disappear.

Does that really make any sense to you, or is that one of those "why can't all countries just get along" type posts? We KNOW why neither format wants to disappear, so your "solution" is naive, at best. Lovely to think about, but naive.
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
Just bit on this Amazon HD-DVD Buy 2 get 1 Free deal, and picked up Shuan of the Dead and Hot Fuzz together for cheaper and could not resist the special edition Matrix too.

I picked up the Uncut Die Hard 4.0 as well.
 
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