distantmantra
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Yep, that's for the Pirates/Superbad week.
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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Yep, that's for the Pirates/Superbad week.
Ignatz Mouse
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Not too surprising then. ALthough it does seem that more and more, new releases have less skew to them (and that's a good thing).
Ignatz Mouse
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Wow am I wrong. I just saw the top-ten list, and it's more skewed than ususal.
I *am* surprised that a 3:1 smackdown hasn't brought more comments. I think this is a new high for Blu-ray.
I *am* surprised that a 3:1 smackdown hasn't brought more comments. I think this is a new high for Blu-ray.
Pristine_Condition
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Lhadatt said:
It isn't flying, and it probably won't. It's just Hocus Pocus speculating that prices will go up when one format is settled on. I don't see any evidence for that, personally. The studios are still in competition with each other, regardless of one format or two. The BOGO deals will likely go away eventually when enough people are attracted to the table, but that would occur regardless as well.
I can remember as far back as when CDs were new, and they used to do BOGO deals on those as well. Now, the only place you'll get a deal like that on music CDs is through a mail order club system like Columbia House.
Price in HD media is a driver, just like with CD and DVD. One has to look no further than Amazon's ascendency in HD retail to see this clearly. They generally have the best price, so people buy from them.
Lhadatt said:
Concerning upgrades, you seem to be a little confused?
You don't have to have a new receiver. You just need one if you want that particular feature. You'll still be able to pull down audio that is superior to that which is available on DVDs on Blu-ray or HD DVD without an HDMI-capable receiver.
Also, concerning, the latest disc spec, the older-spec players will still play the main features of the disc, they just won't be able to access a few of the new spec-specific features.
So it's like "Enhanced CD" works in audio. You buy an "Enhanced CD" and you can still listen to the CD in an old CD player, but if you want the video or computer program feature, you have to put that disc in a machine that will read the "Enhanced" part of the CD.
Lhadatt said:
The market isn't for everybody yet. But if you are a movie buff and have decent equipment, there's nothing else like it. Exactly like when CD came along, or DVD.
Lhadatt said:
Unfortunately, "enthusiasts" seem a bit too entrenched in their early choices to make the final choice. And they are a relatively small pool to draw from.
What will chose the winner are market forces outside the "enthusiast" community. If Warner went single-format, that would turn tides, but ultimately, the decision will be made by the next tier of consumers, a group that is more mainstream (and considerably larger) than the "enthusiasts" but is capable of influencing the market below them. This has really always been the case, and the "enthusiast" wars have always been silly, because ultimately, they don't have nearly as much say as this next tier of the market.
For example, look at the iPod. When it was released, there were two groups of "enthusiasts," those who loved it (mostly the hardcore Apple fanboys) and those who hated it (the hardcore Apple haters) and by far, the largest group was in between, saying "gosh, it's pretty expensive" and "I'll stick with my portable CD player for now," while the two "enthusiast" groups fought it out. Eventually though, that next tier of consumers came in and influenced the rest of the market and made the iPod an iconic electronic device. Those consumers made the iPod "cool" or whatever, not the "enthusiasts."
Same thing will happen here, IMO. First things first though. Right now, that tier of consumers is rather busy just making HDTV important and desirable. The "disc wars" are a little early for them. Really, they've just started.
Ignatz Mouse said:
It's a big win week for Blu-ray, but I'm kind of tired of "Sales-Age HD" personally. Blu-ray always wins, it's just a question of by how much, so it seems inevitable.
The only number that would really be a huge shocking knife in the heart of HD DVD would be going 33% LTD or less to Blu-ray. That would be big.
Week-to-week Blu-ray domination is kind of old hat. Sales numbers aren't getting me fired up anymore. I need a Warner announcement at CES to get my pulse pounding...
distantmantra
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Could you post it here, please?
Good!Pristine_Condition said:
Likely so. The specs are a wee bit confusing.
I do have an HDMI-capable receiver. So, the players decode these new formats and my HDMI receiver will just pass it through?
That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying!
Yeah, I recognize that. I may wait until I can justify getting a PS3 before jumping in, since that seems to be the way to go. I don't see how Bluray can hold over 60% of the market and there not be a "winner" declared.
You're right, although this will likely happen very soon. They've only got a little over one more year to get used to the idea of HDTV, at least in the US. HD discs/players will be pretty big by Christmas 2008.
OokieSpookie
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Second highest ever actually.
OokieSpookie said:
"why wait till sunday and get up extra early? I had to go to WA. to see my sister this morning and picked up 4 movies from the list, paid cash. I asked three different cs ppl and they all said that I just have to show the receipt on Sunday or next week and they will refund me the price difference. That way I'm sure to get them before they sell out. Plus, I just left the receipt with my sister and she'll go in and get the refund for me and bring the movies and cash up with her when she comes for x-mas."
are you sure van mardigan, this is a post i found over at avsforum.
76/24 blu-ray, impressive. Next week will bounce HD back a bit with the release of Bourne, and once again the week after back to blu-ray with the simpsons and various other releases. Like said already, sales numbers are old, we know blu-ray will win every week, we need a big announcement to see it change.
distantmantra
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msdstc said:
It will be really interesting to compare Blu-ray and HD-DVD Harry Potter sales.
Zombie James
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DarkJediKnight said:
Wow, that's a nice Pac-Man.
sonycowboy
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Post them please
Pristine_Condition
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Lhadatt said:
Unfortunately the answer to that question is a little more complicated. It depends on the capabilities of your receiver and player in combination when dealing with these newest either uncompressed or lossless audio formats and what you can get out of them and how.
The ideal situation is to have a setup where the player simply pass the A/V over to the receiver via HDMI, the receiver takes the best audio track available on the disc off the stream and decodes it, and then passes the video back to your HDTV monitor. In this case, the player doesn't have to decode the audio at all. Of course if your receiver doesn't support this capability, or doesn't decode the ideal audio stream, you may have to have the player do that before passing it along, if it is capable of doing so.
OokieSpookie
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Ignatz Mouse
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Thanks Ook, just got back here.
Pristine_Condition said:
I agree. Every week's "win" at this point is nothing to celebrate. I'm waiting for the institutional announcements that will signal the end of this mess. Warner going Blu, Apple including BD-ROM standard, retailers dropping HD-DVD, etc. The decline of HD-DVD has been steady since its peak at inception.
Pristine_Condition
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Onix said:
Likely to protect the rights/interests of the different broadcasters who carry the shows in syndication overseas. Sad, but it makes sense.
(Actually, it doesn't make a lick of sense in a world where people from other countries can download the brand-new episodes legally or illegally of many shows the day after they are aired, but, I'm sure when these syndication deals are made, that's important to the buyers.)
Ignatz Mouse
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It's notable that we've come to this point when 6 weeks ago there was plenty of noise about low-cost players and Walmart turning the tide.
While people may not be ready to call it altogether, the domination is now taken for granted, in light of the HD-DVD price-bottoming failing to make a dent.
Like everybody else, I'm waiting on WB and others to make this official.
While people may not be ready to call it altogether, the domination is now taken for granted, in light of the HD-DVD price-bottoming failing to make a dent.
Like everybody else, I'm waiting on WB and others to make this official.
Onix said:
I just hope somebody hacks the shit out of the PS3 blu-ray region lock.
As it is right now, Euro HD movies are way to expensive to make them mainstream: I've just noticed this because it was last week the very first time I decided to buy a movie, but there's no chance I am going to pay 29 for a blu-ray.
djkimothy said:
I don't think you'll see a 90% overall, the back catalogue is just too large now. Look at that chart. The top ten is *hugely* bluray. Yet the numbers are 'only' 76/24. So I doubt even a bluray only release week with day&date titles would give a 90% week win to bluray.
if you look at the top ten alone this week it *is* a 90:10 week for bluray.
VanMardigan
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Ignatz Mouse said:
I don't think the price has bottomed out yet. That WalMart $99 thing was a false start. It was, what, 3 days? HD DVD is still $199 and up for standalones, so it's not really bottomed out yet. Not to take away from a 3/1 win, with Pirates doing really really well. It's obvious that the biggest day/date releases (Transformers, Spiderman 3, and PoTC) have produced the most significant chart shifts.
Ignatz Mouse
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Prices may not have bottomed out, I suppose, but it was expected by the pro-Red here that there would be a shift after the prices came down, and it hasn't happened. Despite player prices being $100 more, Blu-ray still sells more movies. Either those who buy low-end players don't buy as many movies, or the PS3 is indeed being purchased to play Blu-ray movies on.
You may argue with my wording, but my point stands. The market being what it is today, Blu-ray has it won. The only thing I see as remotely possible is a WB shift to HD-DVD only and even that only means stalemate.
You may argue with my wording, but my point stands. The market being what it is today, Blu-ray has it won. The only thing I see as remotely possible is a WB shift to HD-DVD only and even that only means stalemate.
VanMardigan
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Yeah, ok. Blu is winning. All year long. More so this week. yay.
Can I get another BOGO??
Can I get another BOGO??
Ignatz Mouse
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jasonbay said:
Unknown. I assume some sort of contract, but who knows?
Frys is running one on Blu-ray, i posted it in the HD thread but no one seemed to notice.theBishop said:
28 days and weeks, robocop, day after tomorrow, kingdom of heaven, underworld, fifth element, identity, black hawk down off the top of my head. Theres more too.
VanMardigan
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theBishop said:
I don't see how 300 was arguably better on HD DVD. It was flat out better. And yeah, the BR version outsold it 2-1, though there are more 300 HD DVD discs "in the wild" due to them being packed with HD DVD players. I'm guessing that was Toshiba trying level it out for Warner after the BR version sold beter at retail. Every neutral release (outside of Planet Earth) has sold better on BR, to my knowledge. I expect that Harry Potter will reflect the trend as well. That's the software situation right now, even more magnified by the 3-1 disparity last week.
KZObsessed
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I got accused of being a pro HD-DVD troll on Blu-Ray.com :lol Awesome, great board by the way...
So for the people who have managed to get Blade Runner early, on either BD or HD, any chance of some screens? Or has anyone seen any screens from other forums? My most anticipated release.
So for the people who have managed to get Blade Runner early, on either BD or HD, any chance of some screens? Or has anyone seen any screens from other forums? My most anticipated release.
Zombie James
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Blade Runner in the Futureshop flyer for $34.99 next week. Any place to get it cheaper?
OokieSpookie
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theBishop said:
He knows.
Bogo and stand alone is all that hd shills have left to cry out week after week, even though out of the 40 some odd weeks of win maybe 10 tops had a bogo but none of that matters.
Honestly he is not even worth dealing with anymore.
...seriously this is starting to piss me off.OokieSpookie said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8944928&postcount=23587
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8942060&postcount=65
OokieSpookie
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captive said:
We know.
I was talking about for most of the week myself, but also wondering why blu is bad when they have bogos but when hd has them (and still loses as they have a couple of times now) they are never mentioned.
Alcibiades
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Last week (Pirates release week) there were 3 BOGO sales going on for Blu-ray (Warner BOGO amazon.com, Fox Frys 50% off, Sony jr.com 50% off).
This week (Bourne release week) there are have been several at some point for Blu-ray (Warner BOGO amazon.com, Sony BOGO amazon.com, Fox Frys 50% off, Sony jr.com 50% off, Sony BOGO Frys), and HD DVD has one going on (Warner amazon.com).
Next week, Best Buy is having a mixed BOGO on various HD DVD/Blu-ray titles from all studios.
Blu-ray would be winning the sales ratios even without BOGO sales (and likewise HD DVD BOGO wouldn't win them any weeks probably), but speaking just as a consumer wanting to get hold of cheap catalog titles, I do wish HD DVD would run more BOGO, particularly on older Universal and Paramount movies I don't want to pay full price for.
HD DVD just started their first BOGO deal a few days ago on amazon, and it motivated me to buy 8 titles I wouldn't have normally (despite a so-so selection). Had they been doing this on-and-off since mid-October, I could easily see myself having doubled that at least (depending on the selection and if I already owned the titles).
This week (Bourne release week) there are have been several at some point for Blu-ray (Warner BOGO amazon.com, Sony BOGO amazon.com, Fox Frys 50% off, Sony jr.com 50% off, Sony BOGO Frys), and HD DVD has one going on (Warner amazon.com).
Next week, Best Buy is having a mixed BOGO on various HD DVD/Blu-ray titles from all studios.
Blu-ray would be winning the sales ratios even without BOGO sales (and likewise HD DVD BOGO wouldn't win them any weeks probably), but speaking just as a consumer wanting to get hold of cheap catalog titles, I do wish HD DVD would run more BOGO, particularly on older Universal and Paramount movies I don't want to pay full price for.
HD DVD just started their first BOGO deal a few days ago on amazon, and it motivated me to buy 8 titles I wouldn't have normally (despite a so-so selection). Had they been doing this on-and-off since mid-October, I could easily see myself having doubled that at least (depending on the selection and if I already owned the titles).
VanMardigan
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OokieSpookie said:
Honestly, you're such a joke now. I said Blu BOGO was bad??? The hell!! I own 4 BD movies, 2 of them free. I want MORE BD BOGO's, please. And MORE HD DVD BOGO's as well. I hope to get Rat, Castaway, Cars, PoTC3, and others so hopefully they're in a future BOGO deal. And would it kill Toshiba to throw Children of Men into a damn BOGO sale??
So yeah, if your talent for sniffing fomat war stupidity where there is none led you to think that I didn't like BR BOGO deals, you were wrong. Not the last time, I bet.
Cold-Steel
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Decado said:I'd like to see BOGO for blu-ray in Canada
Paying $35+ for a movie is simply insane, IMO.
Amazon is really good, totally recommend them.
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