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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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OokieSpookie

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VanMardigan said:
Honestly, you're such a joke now. I said Blu BOGO was bad??? The hell!! I own 4 BD movies, 2 of them free. I want MORE BD BOGO's, please. And MORE HD DVD BOGO's as well. I hope to get Rat, Castaway, Cars, PoTC3, and others so hopefully they're in a future BOGO deal. And would it kill Toshiba to throw Children of Men into a damn BOGO sale??

So yeah, if your talent for sniffing fomat war stupidity where there is none led you to think that I didn't like BR BOGO deals, you were wrong. Not the last time, I bet.
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VanMardigan said:
Yeah, ok. Blu is winning. All year long. More so this week. yay.

Can I get another BOGO??
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SO this was not meant to say that bogo is the only reason that blu is winning and instead is just a declaration of love on your part?
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
SO this was not meant to say that bogo is the only reason that blu is winning and instead is just a declaration of love on your part?
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No. A statement acknowledging that Blu is winning, then a plea for more BOGO's. In other words, "blu is winning, that's awesome, now can I get some more free movies?"
 
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Cold-Steel

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OokieSpookie said:
SO this was not meant to say that bogo is the only reason that blu is winning and instead is just a declaration of love on your part?
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Just don't bother with him, he's on suicide watch as well.

Fox President Mike Dunn makes another bold statement:

"The table is probably set for high-def in 2008,” says Dunn. “I think by CES it will be pretty clear there will be one format.”
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The Main Event

The Main Event

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Cold-Steel said:
Just don't bother with him, he's on suicide watch as well.

Fox President Mike Dunn makes another bold statement:
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January 2007:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242599,00.html

"By the end of the first quarter, the format war is over," he said, noting Sony's recently released PlayStation 3 game console with a Blu-ray drive had boosted sales.
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February 2007
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/12/sony-sez-the-format-war-is-over-really/

Sony sez: The format war is over, really
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CES 2007, Universal going neutral?:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES/Universal/CES:_No_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429

But when we contacted Universal to find out if anything further is to come from the studio out of CES, they confirmed they will not be unveiling any new street dates or detailed title info at all for the duration of the show. The studio stressed that they continue to support HD DVD and are planning to announce new titles "throughout 2007."
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Some of you people are really stuck in a revolving door.
 
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gkryhewy

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Cold-Steel said:
To each his own. *shrugs*
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I'm just saying that "suicide watch" (referring to posters) bullshit shouldn't fly any further in this cesspool than it does on the gaming side. The dude is format neutral, even if he has his preference, what more do you want?

Misinterpreting his BOGO request as a slight at BRD is simply pathetic.
 
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Cold-Steel

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The Main Event said:
January 2007:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242599,00.html



February 2007
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/12/sony-sez-the-format-war-is-over-really/



CES 2007, Universal going neutral?:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES/Universal/CES:_No_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429



Some of you people are really stuck in a revolving door.
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Hurray for FUD logic!

Old, positive HD-DVD announcements > New, positive Blu-ray announcements = HD-DVD momentum

gkrykewy said:
I'm just saying that "suicide watch" (referring to posters) bullshit shouldn't fly any further in this cesspool than it does on the gaming side. The dude is format neutral, even if he has his preference, what more do you want?

Misinterpreting his BOGO request as a slight at BRD is simply pathetic.
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Fair enough, but I don't consider someone format neutral when they bitch about not enough BOGOs and Blu-ray has had them consistently for the past few months.

Preference is fine by me, we have plenty of cheery folks who actually make sense AND support HD-DVD.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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Cold-Steel said:
Hurray for FUD logic!

Old, positive HD-DVD announcements > New, positive Blu-ray announcements = HD-DVD momentum
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Yeah, the old links I posted really are HD DVD positive.....................................................

I think I'll just stick to the HD movie thread.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
And leave the thread to you jerks? I hope not.

There's a lot of uncalled-for stuff, and coming off a 3-1 week, you'd think the blu team would be in a better mood.
 
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Flo_Evans

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Van, I thought you where 'neutral' now? :lol

Seems like most 'neutral' people are still strong HD-DVD supporters.

What is up with Gladiator? They are showing it on TNT HD now but its pan and scanned, then funky stretched to 16:9. I need some HD russel crowe man love on a disc! ack I see its universal. boo.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Flo_Evans said:
Van, I thought you where 'neutral' now? :lol

Seems like most 'neutral' people are still strong HD-DVD supporters.
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Yeah, I'm purple. Was watching Oldboy last night.
:(
But I mentioned BOGO's and got ripped. For opposite reasons. :lol
 
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Killthee

helped a brotha out on multiple separate occasions!
Flo_Evans said:
Van, I thought you where 'neutral' now? :lol

Seems like most 'neutral' people are still strong HD-DVD supporters.

What is up with Gladiator? They are showing it on TNT HD now but its pan and scanned, then funky stretched to 16:9. I need some HD russel crowe man love on a disc! ack I see its universal. boo.
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Feb. 08 :D
 
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Flo_Evans

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Killthee said:


Feb. 08 :D
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oh yeah I forgot about that. Should be a great sounding disc. My local hifi store used to use it to demo DTS in their sound room :D

Ugg I had to turn gladiator off. TNT is a non-linear stretch that makes it look normal in the center of the screen and stretched at the edges. Horizontal pans are making me feel sick. Or maybe its the Jägermeister.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Flo_Evans said:
Van, I thought you where 'neutral' now? :lol

Seems like most 'neutral' people are still strong HD-DVD supporters.
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This has been the case for a while, TME, Manabyte, and now Van are all supposedly "neutral."
 
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HocusPocus

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Flo_Evans said:
Van, I thought you where 'neutral' now? :lol

Seems like most 'neutral' people are still strong HD-DVD supporters.
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It could be that they are the only ones that say anything positive about the HD-DVD format in this thread, and thus they are tarred and feathered by the Blu-Ray fanboys.
 
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OokieSpookie

Banned
Nicodimas said:
When will shows like Xfiles coming to HD formats?

I really want Xfiles/Millinieum by the end of 08. Prolly 09 though.
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Would be nice to have them release X-Files on blu to compliment the new movie.
I have no doubt that they will at LEAST release the first movie but the series would be awesome.
 
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Gary Whitta

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Picked up the original Die Hard BD at the Virgin store today with the full intention of buying it. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watch it every Christmas.

I put it straight back on the shelf as soon as I saw the $39.99 sticker. I'm about as HD-friendly a consumer as you could hope to find, but I'll only take so much.

I know there are cheaper ways to get HD discs online, but these MSRPs suck. If the HD movement is serious about getting consumers to make the jump to HD, they need to do more than just drop the prices of the players, they need to get the software prices down to a level where they don't seem like a complete rip-off compared to standard DVD.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Gary Whitta said:
Picked up the original Die Hard BD at the Virgin store today with the full intention of buying it. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watch it every Christmas.

I put it straight back on the shelf as soon as I saw the $39.99 sticker. I'm about as HD-friendly a consumer as you could hope to find, but I'll only take so much.

I know there are cheaper ways to get HD discs online, but these MSRPs suck. If the HD movement is serious about getting consumers to make the jump to HD, they need to do more than just drop the prices of the players, they need to get the software prices down to a level where they don't seem like a complete rip-off compared to standard DVD.
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I agree with you for the most part, but I also remember paying $89 for a VHS of Return of the Jedi the day it came out so I think it is safe to say that things will evolve.
 
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Bebpo

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Gary Whitta said:
Picked up the original Die Hard BD at the Virgin store today with the full intention of buying it. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watch it every Christmas.

I put it straight back on the shelf as soon as I saw the $39.99 sticker. I'm about as HD-friendly a consumer as you could hope to find, but I'll only take so much.

I know there are cheaper ways to get HD discs online, but these MSRPs suck. If the HD movement is serious about getting consumers to make the jump to HD, they need to do more than just drop the prices of the players, they need to get the software prices down to a level where they don't seem like a complete rip-off compared to standard DVD.
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Mainly just that Fox and Sony are idiots when it comes to pricing. WB knows what they're doing.
 
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YYZ

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OokieSpookie said:
I agree with you for the most part, but I also remember paying $89 for a VHS of Return of the Jedi the day it came out so I think it is safe to say that things will evolve.
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What was your first reaction to watching that on VHS?
 
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Lhadatt

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Pristine_Condition said:
Unfortunately the answer to that question is a little more complicated. It depends on the capabilities of your receiver and player in combination when dealing with these newest either uncompressed or lossless audio formats and what you can get out of them and how.
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Cool, I think I've got it now. Here's my system.

Unfortunately, even Samsung techs can't tell me if my receiver will pass the new formats over HDMI. Some guy in their phone center actually told me to use the red/white RCA cables for audio hookups from the Bluray deck into my receiver! :lol

Thanks for your help!
 
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Pristine_Condition

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Gary Whitta said:
Picked up the original Die Hard BD at the Virgin store today with the full intention of buying it. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watch it every Christmas.

I put it straight back on the shelf as soon as I saw the $39.99 sticker. I'm about as HD-friendly a consumer as you could hope to find, but I'll only take so much.

I know there are cheaper ways to get HD discs online, but these MSRPs suck. If the HD movement is serious about getting consumers to make the jump to HD, they need to do more than just drop the prices of the players, they need to get the software prices down to a level where they don't seem like a complete rip-off compared to standard DVD.
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You know about Amazon's prices, so there you go. If you must shop at a brick-and-mortar store, go to Fry's. Their everyday price on that movie is $27.99.

Virgin's prices on everything are pretty terrible, IMO.
 
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Pristine_Condition

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Lhadatt said:
Cool, I think I've got it now. Here's my system.

Unfortunately, even Samsung techs can't tell me if my receiver will pass the new formats over HDMI. Some guy in their phone center actually told me to use the red/white RCA cables for audio hookups from the Bluray deck into my receiver! :lol

Thanks for your help!
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OK. Couldn't find out much about the specific tech specs of your unit, since HTIB systems are generally hard to find this info on, and yours is no different.

No audio snobbery here, I'm just going to tell you how it is, OK?

The best audio your receiver supports is DTS and Dolby Digital. So don't even worry about stuff like DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD. That stuff is the realm of $500 (minimum) receivers and $2000+ speaker systems.

I couldn't get any info on your HDMI input specs. Nor do I know what resolution HDTV you'll be outputting to, so you are going to have to experiment a bit. If your HDTV is a 1080p model, you need to figure out if your receiver will take that 1080p signal and pass it on with no issues, while doing it's magic with the DTS or Dolby Digital audio track from the Blu-ray. If it all works, then that's great, but I will warn you that it may not, as some less-expensive systems only "passthrough" the HDMI and don't take/process the audio from it. (Don't feel bad if it doesn't. I have a $600 receiver that was made in 2006 that has HDMI but only via passthrough!)

The fact that your DVD player in that unit upscales might give you a clue as to whether your receiver can process video to match the your TV's resolution needs.

If it doesn't work, or won't pass along the video or process the audio properly, you may be better off bypassing the HDMI input on your receiver altogether, hooking the HDMI output from your player directly into the HDTV's HDMI input, and using an optical cable (otherwise known as a toslink cable) to input the audio into your receiver. (I checked, and your receiver does have an optical input.)

Be sure to have the audio/video setup screens in your player properly set up to output by whatever means you decide to go with.

Blu-ray discs generally have both DTS and Dolby Digital output options on the disc. Go to the audio setup menu in your disc to switch the audio options around to make sure you are setup and the receiver is switching properly.
 
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djkimothy

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Gary Whitta said:
Picked up the original Die Hard BD at the Virgin store today with the full intention of buying it. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watch it every Christmas.

I put it straight back on the shelf as soon as I saw the $39.99 sticker. I'm about as HD-friendly a consumer as you could hope to find, but I'll only take so much.

I know there are cheaper ways to get HD discs online, but these MSRPs suck. If the HD movement is serious about getting consumers to make the jump to HD, they need to do more than just drop the prices of the players, they need to get the software prices down to a level where they don't seem like a complete rip-off compared to standard DVD.
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LOL< I was at the Virgin store at Disney world and I was surprised that all their titles, even the old ones were all priced at the MSRP. Never shop at Virgin. Just go to any electronics outlet. Or Amazon.
 
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gkryhewy

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Pristine_Condition said:
The best audio your receiver supports is DTS and Dolby Digital. So don't even worry about stuff like DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD. That stuff is the realm of $500 (minimum) receivers and $2000+ speaker systems.
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This is not true. I get beautiful TrueHD via my $349 Sony receiver (DG910), since the player decodes it and passes it via PCM over HDMI.

It does not appear that his HTIB samsung receiver decodes audio over HDMI, though, so that would be the limiting factor.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Link to the Best Buy Blu Ray BOGO. But I hate those, as you know, so avoid them. :D

Actually, the selection is pretty weak, but I picked up two comedies (Open Season, Talladega Nights)
 
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Pristine_Condition

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gkrykewy said:
This is not true. I get beautiful TrueHD via my $349 Sony receiver (DG910), since the player decodes it and passes it via PCM over HDMI.

It does not appear that his HTIB samsung receiver decodes audio over HDMI, though, so that would be the limiting factor.
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My point was twofold.

1) His receiver only supports DTS and DD.

2) With the kind of speakers you get with a >$300 total HTIB system like that, there isn't much point in worrying about DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD anyway, as you'd never be able to hear the difference.

Those points still stand.

Also, your DG910 does have an MSRP of $499.99, so why are you splitting hairs over street prices with me anyway? I was obviously making speaking in generalities.

:D

I thought the DG910 only did passthrough HDMI though, so that's news to me.
 
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gkryhewy

Member
Pristine_Condition said:
2) With the kind of speakers you get with a >$300 total HTIB system like that, there isn't much point in worrying about DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD anyway, as you'd never be able to hear the difference.
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Okay, but my speakers are shite by audiophile standards (a hodgepodge of Sony speakers, but I like them quite a bit!), and I can hear the difference at medium volumes.

Pristine_Condition said:
Also, your DG910 does have an MSRP of $499.99, so why are you splitting hairs over street prices with me anyway? I was obviously making speaking in generalities.
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WOOT I got a deal :). Just got it in the last couple of weeks, and it's my new favorite toy.

Pristine_Condition said:
I thought the DG910 only did passthrough HDMI though, so that's news to me.
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810 and below only do passthrough.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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HocusPocus said:
It could be that they are the only ones that say anything positive about the HD-DVD format in this thread, and thus they are tarred and feathered by the Blu-Ray fanboys.
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TME is OK, Van and Mana tend to drum up *bad* Blu news. Mana especially, but he's been absent for a good long while.


Van's only recently gone neutral, and I think he feels somebody need to defend HD-DVD (or at least a two format future) as desirable.
 
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Dot50Cal

Banned
Just got back from Best Buy where I picked up Lost Season 3 and Blade Runner. Heres some Lost shots:

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The Elite

The Elite

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Gary Whitta said:
Picked up the original Die Hard BD at the Virgin store today with the full intention of buying it. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watch it every Christmas.

I put it straight back on the shelf as soon as I saw the $39.99 sticker. I'm about as HD-friendly a consumer as you could hope to find, but I'll only take so much.

I know there are cheaper ways to get HD discs online, but these MSRPs suck. If the HD movement is serious about getting consumers to make the jump to HD, they need to do more than just drop the prices of the players, they need to get the software prices down to a level where they don't seem like a complete rip-off compared to standard DVD.
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I've seen it for $24.99 here in Toronto.
 
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123rl

Member
Lost looks superb...fuck you, Disney, for not making it region-free.

They own the European rights so where the fuck is it, you assholes
 
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dallow_bg

nods at old men
^to the guy talking about needing $2000+ speakers to hear difference between lossless and lossy audio tracks

I've tested a PCM track (Cars BD) on 6 $20 speakers.

Even my girlfriend could hear the difference.
It only gets better and better with monitor level speakers.
 
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