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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
captive said:
I too was disappointed heavily by American Gangster.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
I'm sorry, I missed the part where you selling off your HD DVD movies and player will help accomplish this. Let me hear that part again.
OokieSpookie
Banned
VanMardigan said:
I was responding to someone who asked why I would abandon neutrality, I answered.
No more, and no less.
I do not believe in neutrality being good for high definition media no matter which side, but saying that while I have both is a bit insincere.
Either way I am confident enough in where things are going that I feel no need to keep both.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Yeah, ok. See you here next year, still wondering why you sold your player and when you're going to see the Universal/Paramount films on Blu. I would at least wait for Warner to make a move first, since nothing changes unless they do.
BTW, I know dc rider mentioned the amazon stuff, but I didn't realize the impressive part. According to Engadget HD, not only is a high def title the #1 selling dvd on Amazon for the first time ever, but the TOP FOUR selling dvd's are the Harry Potter HD DVD's. That's the most obvious sign yet of how far the HD disc market has come this year.
BTW, I know dc rider mentioned the amazon stuff, but I didn't realize the impressive part. According to Engadget HD, not only is a high def title the #1 selling dvd on Amazon for the first time ever, but the TOP FOUR selling dvd's are the Harry Potter HD DVD's. That's the most obvious sign yet of how far the HD disc market has come this year.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
No, the highest was 300 at #2. Again, though, hitting #1 for the first time ever would've been cool enough on its own, but to have the TOP FOUR slots be HD discs is just impressive.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Stinkles said:
Except we're comparing to Amazon's dvd sales charts, which is usually dominated by, you know, dvd's. There has been no indication that the "balance" has been tipped at all. Just a show of force by HD discs on Amazon's chart. On the back of a BOGO sale.
We're also not talking about any individual title, it's 4 format neutral titles, and before this sale, the BD edition had outsold the HD DVD edition 1.2-1.
OokieSpookie
Banned
VanMardigan said:
They are 19.99 + BOGO and they were just released WEEKS AGO, are you that blind that you can not see why that would make things a big favorable?
Perhaps you should look at some of the "deals" forums where you can see the hordes of people who have been salivating over the money that they will make by returning the movies for full price.
"Sign of how far the hd disc market has come"...you have got to be kidding me.
Warm Machine
Member
We have less than 2 weeks until CES. Hold tight that long and see what the aftermath is.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
But are the hordes of folks selling back tons of HD DVD movies at full price to merchants they didn't buy it from to make huge amounts of money going to do that in time for Warner to realize it was all a sham and go Blu exclusive at the HD DVD conference?!?!?!?! :lol
OokieSpookie
Banned
VanMardigan said:
If you think that Warner has not already made their minds up, more power to you.
Will be an interesting spring.
BoboBrazil
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How are sales of the warner titles comparing so far across both formats? I would assume the warner titles would sell more on hd-dvd due to their being less to choose from, but is blu-ray outselling them on the harry potters, etc?
Manmademan
Member
BoboBrazil said:
Nope.
blu-ray consistently outsells the HD-DVD version of pretty much everything, potters included. I think the only exception to this was planet earth.
BoboBrazil
Member
Cool, I hope blu wins out soon. Lots of people have been in buying blu players since the price drops at my work...
KZObsessed
Member
Numbers for this week:
61: 39 (Blu-Ray: HD-DVD)
01. The Bourne Ultimatum
02. The Simpsons
03. Pirates 3 - AWE
04. Harry Potter
05. Harry Potter
06. Planet Earth
07. Spiderman 3
08. Transformers
09. 300
10. Planet Earth
11. Blade Runner
12. Blade Runner
13. Ratatouille
14. Shrek the Third
15. Die Hard 4
16. Superbad
17. Oceans 13
18. The Departed
19. The Silver Surfer
20. Casino Royale
61: 39 (Blu-Ray: HD-DVD)
01. The Bourne Ultimatum
02. The Simpsons
03. Pirates 3 - AWE
04. Harry Potter
05. Harry Potter
06. Planet Earth
07. Spiderman 3
08. Transformers
09. 300
10. Planet Earth
11. Blade Runner
12. Blade Runner
13. Ratatouille
14. Shrek the Third
15. Die Hard 4
16. Superbad
17. Oceans 13
18. The Departed
19. The Silver Surfer
20. Casino Royale
DarthWaiter
Banned
FFObsessed said:
not sure if i understand this, 61 were hd-dvd, 39 bluray??
OokieSpookie
Banned
Uh noDarthWaiter said:
BoboBrazil
Member
blu-ray wins again, this is never going to change, warner needs to kill this thing and go blu exclusive, that is the only answer
Manmademan
Member
DarthWaiter said:
nope. the bolded items are blu-ray.
61% of the titles sold this week were blu-ray. Good showing for bourne this week, but not enough to actually change anything. as someone else pointed out..same old story this week with blu dominating the charts.
KZObsessed
Member
DarthWaiter said:
Sorry, edited for clarity.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
bishoptl said:
Thank you, I was about to say something because DAMN, ookie was getting away with a lot of stuff and general douchebag-like attitude that juniors get banned for, but nothing was said.
Blade Runner HD beat BR...thanks to me
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Wow, ban-o-rama. I've been away, I missed a new troll and Ookie skirting the line (as he often does) one time too many!
Nice showing by Bourne, and not bad for HD-DVD by recent standards.
Nice showing by Bourne, and not bad for HD-DVD by recent standards.
AlteredBeast said:Thank you, I was about to say something because DAMN, ookie was getting away with a lot of stuff and general douchebag-like attitude that juniors get banned for, but nothing was said.
Blade Runner HD beat BR...thanks to me
And me, and my friend and others. But that's besides the point. BLADE RUNNER IN HD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
OokieSpookie said:
So what be the verdict HD Gaffers? I haven't seen it and was thinking of picking it up
DarkJediKnight
Member
rage1973 said:
No. If that was the case, it would've been #1 easily since the 40gb PS3 sold around 100k units last week.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
rage1973 said:
No, these are stand alone sales....
Black Deatha
Member
:lol at all the bans the last couple pages.
On another topic, is anyone else still having trouble with availability of new releases in there areas? Well, actually NOT 'new' releases, but catalog releases. I seem to, Went to Future Shop a few times looking for Terminator 3 on BD, but they don't even have it in there computers yet, and now for this week, I am still unable to find Pans. Took them a damn week extra to get the collectors ed of Blade Runner. They had EVERY OTHER version, all DVD versions, all HD DVD versions, but ONLY the BD Ultimate on release day. Is this just my area?
For the record, for most new releases they are fine. Thank god they had Lost on release.
On another topic, is anyone else still having trouble with availability of new releases in there areas? Well, actually NOT 'new' releases, but catalog releases. I seem to, Went to Future Shop a few times looking for Terminator 3 on BD, but they don't even have it in there computers yet, and now for this week, I am still unable to find Pans. Took them a damn week extra to get the collectors ed of Blade Runner. They had EVERY OTHER version, all DVD versions, all HD DVD versions, but ONLY the BD Ultimate on release day. Is this just my area?
For the record, for most new releases they are fine. Thank god they had Lost on release.
Very solid BR performance but isn't HD-DVD trending upwards according to that number? To put my cards on the table, I'm a Blu fan, but really I just want the war to end, and HD-DVD rising to own nearly 40% of software sales would make *me* leery about throwing that market share away if I were on the board at Warner. Not seeing much incentive for them to go Blu, unless the production costs are wildly high for producing both formats and/or Sony packs a hat full of money. They also have numbers showing that the untapped HD customers who haven't jumped in yet are more inclined to invest in HD-DVD. My guess at the CES outcome is that the war marches on just the same. Sigh.FFObsessed said:
Guess what's coming to blu-ray Januay 3rd in Italy?
http://www.dvdland.it/nicom1/p_552430/blu_ray/the_protector_la_legge_del_muay_thai_blu_ray.html
Day 1 import purchase for me if it plays in Region A machines.
http://www.dvdland.it/nicom1/p_552430/blu_ray/the_protector_la_legge_del_muay_thai_blu_ray.html
Day 1 import purchase for me if it plays in Region A machines.
HDDVD isnt really trending upwards, its staying the same (more or less) in relation to BRD. There have been some weeks where HDDVD did better than normal, some where it did worse, but 60/40 seems to be the split.
I think it actually says alot that HDDVD wasnt steamrolled this xmas season, even with the increase in PS3 sales, a ton of BOGO sales, and a huge trend upward in overall HDM sales. The next big test is going to be the "13th" month of the year, to see how all the new gifted players (and PS3's) for both formats effect overall sales of discs. Which is likely why Toshiba (and whoever else) is paying for a BOGO at amazon, and the buy 3 get 2 free sale at BB next week.
Assuming WB doesnt go BRD neutral (or HDDVD neutral) and HDDVD can maintain the 60/40 gap over the next month or two, I really see this turning into a stalemate (for a million reasons detailed in past posts).
I think it actually says alot that HDDVD wasnt steamrolled this xmas season, even with the increase in PS3 sales, a ton of BOGO sales, and a huge trend upward in overall HDM sales. The next big test is going to be the "13th" month of the year, to see how all the new gifted players (and PS3's) for both formats effect overall sales of discs. Which is likely why Toshiba (and whoever else) is paying for a BOGO at amazon, and the buy 3 get 2 free sale at BB next week.
Assuming WB doesnt go BRD neutral (or HDDVD neutral) and HDDVD can maintain the 60/40 gap over the next month or two, I really see this turning into a stalemate (for a million reasons detailed in past posts).
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I just want to see if the HD DVD BOGO's will affect the ratio. This is the first time that HD DVD is really having such a fantastic deal on movies, while Blu fans are spoiled. Heck, half of th 6 BR movies I own I got for free.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Ken Brown at High Def Digest posted his best and worst of 2007:
THE BEST OVERALL (in alphabetical order)
300 dual
BLADE RUNNER: THE FINAL CUT dual
THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM HD DVD
CHILDREN OF MEN HD DVD
THE DEPARTED dual
HOT FUZZ HD DVD
LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA dual
THE LIVES OF OTHERS Blu Ray
PAN'S LABYRINTH dual
RATATOUILLE Blu Ray
The Worst:
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: SEASON ONE HD DVD
THE GAME HD DVD
NORBIT HD DVD
ROBOCOP Blu Ray
THE SENTINEL Blu Ray
BEST TRANSFER -- NEW RELEASE
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix dual
BEST TRANSFER -- RECENT RELEASE (Three years or older)
The Ultimate Matrix Collection HD DVD
BEST TRANSFER -- CATALOG (Ten years or older)
Blade Runner: The Final Cut dual
BEST AUDIO
Live Free or Die Hard Blu Ray
BEST ANIMATED TITLE
Ratatouille Blu Ray
BEST ANIME FEATURE/SERIES
SOS! Tokyo Metro Explorers: The Next Blu Ray
BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE/SERIES
Planet Earth dual
BEST MUSIC TITLE
Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid dual
BEST TELEVISION RELEASE
Lost: The Complete Third Season Blu Ray
MOST OVERLOOKED GEM
The Host dual
BEST EXCLUSIVE HD FEATURES
Heroes: Season One HD DVD
BEST NEW TREND
Studio Humility dual
BEST HIGH-DEF STUDIO
Walt Disney Studios / Buena Vista Blu Ray
THE BEST OVERALL (in alphabetical order)
300 dual
BLADE RUNNER: THE FINAL CUT dual
THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM HD DVD
CHILDREN OF MEN HD DVD
THE DEPARTED dual
HOT FUZZ HD DVD
LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA dual
THE LIVES OF OTHERS Blu Ray
PAN'S LABYRINTH dual
RATATOUILLE Blu Ray
The Worst:
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: SEASON ONE HD DVD
THE GAME HD DVD
NORBIT HD DVD
ROBOCOP Blu Ray
THE SENTINEL Blu Ray
BEST TRANSFER -- NEW RELEASE
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix dual
BEST TRANSFER -- RECENT RELEASE (Three years or older)
The Ultimate Matrix Collection HD DVD
BEST TRANSFER -- CATALOG (Ten years or older)
Blade Runner: The Final Cut dual
BEST AUDIO
Live Free or Die Hard Blu Ray
BEST ANIMATED TITLE
Ratatouille Blu Ray
BEST ANIME FEATURE/SERIES
SOS! Tokyo Metro Explorers: The Next Blu Ray
BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE/SERIES
Planet Earth dual
BEST MUSIC TITLE
Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid dual
BEST TELEVISION RELEASE
Lost: The Complete Third Season Blu Ray
MOST OVERLOOKED GEM
The Host dual
BEST EXCLUSIVE HD FEATURES
Heroes: Season One HD DVD
BEST NEW TREND
Studio Humility dual
BEST HIGH-DEF STUDIO
Walt Disney Studios / Buena Vista Blu Ray
Well, 60:40 is hardly a noticeable victory or defeat when you consider the number of sales. I really doubt that those numbers are going to sway anybody to one side or the other, since going exclusive effectively cuts out more than 1/3 of their market reach. Moneyhats are needed if people are still hoping for exclusivity.
As a long time Simpsons fan, I almost feel dirty being one of those sales for The Simpsons Movie. I didn't catch it in theaters, so watching it Christmas night was the first time. That movie stunk. The writers are soooo bad these days. I wish the series had pulled a Seinfeld and bowed out after season 9 or 10.
As a long time Simpsons fan, I almost feel dirty being one of those sales for The Simpsons Movie. I didn't catch it in theaters, so watching it Christmas night was the first time. That movie stunk. The writers are soooo bad these days. I wish the series had pulled a Seinfeld and bowed out after season 9 or 10.
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